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Halo 5 sales in the UK [Excludes digital sales]
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Primethius
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Uh, what? Most people agree that Halo 5 fell off for a variety of reasons in sales compared to past entries. You're the one making it seem like this is a natural occurrence rather then an unexpected event.
Yea, there's factors that resulted in this decline. But there's a pretty big decline.
Nope
I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to some who said the market hadn't changed. I mostly agreed with your argument.
It seems at least here in GAF the game is mostly liked.
Triggerhappytel
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I think this will be a good barometer of the game's success. If they come out with meaningless stats like 1.2 million hours of multiplayer played on the first day or Live subscriptions up 9% year on year then we know it has been a disappointment.
Chobel
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OK, good point.
DontBeThatGuy
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These sales numbers mean jack in regards to the actual quality of Halo 5, or how much of a Halo game it is, unless the only way you consider something Halo is to copy and paste Halo 2 and 3 ad-nauseam.
How do you come to this conclusion?
The more likely scenario is that the Halo formula doesn't have the draw it used to. Perhaps Halo5 is 'too halo" for the current generation of players...
Well, if you follow his logic, the sales of MCC prove that Halo CE, 2, 3 and 4 don't feel like Halo either.
Crimson_Gold
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What else would you expect him to say? The days when digital sales becomes the reported info are coming, but we aren't there yet.
He could say nothing. It's twitter, not a live interview.
Halo CE and Halo 2 PC versions.
If that happens it will be a long time for now especially if halo 5 is a slow burner.I think this game will sell 4-6 million by the end of this holiday season WW.Majority of halo 5's ltd at the end of this holiday season will come from the US most likely.
Viruz
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Please. XBL USAGE!
igordennis
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That would be a severe disappointment tbh. Even more so than this thread i think. Didn't Halo 4 sell 3+ million in one day?
Why is this a problem after the drop Halo 4 took?
I'm sure that they will be looking at it very closely to see if the gameplay changes (as well as Halo 5 being the only current gen Halo) will help.
Triggerhappytel
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Not much at all. Empty PR words. I'll be interested to see if they issue a proper statement.
It's the line that platform holders or publishers take when actual sales are disappointing. MS have even started pulling the same thing in thier financial reports. No longer giving shipped figures for Xbox, now just report of Live users.
To be honest I was expecting him to say how many missions were finished in singleplayer or how many Warden Eternals killed in this multiplayer-centric title.
maybe. All they need to do is make it the standard pack in game for the $350 bundle like they did with halo MCC last year and your guaranteed a few hundred thousand copies of the game sold per month with the bundle
justsomeguy
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Dude.
Mix of Xbox never catching up to PS4 worldwide and the brand being pushed into a service on more than just XB1.
But anyway, I don't see why his comment on online should be taken in that way. It's obvious with the e-sports push that MS wants Halo 5 to do well in that area.
Yes, now this would have been "It's probably a disappointment"-worthy in my opinion. I guess it's still not to soon for MS to make statements like this.
Ummm, no. Fallout, COD, and Star Wars will make sure of that. But will definitely do over 5 million LTD easy.IMO
Viruz
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meanspartan
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Bit of an ignorant question, but has the Halo series ever been THAT huge of a seller?
I think Halo 3 did pretty damn well, but aside from that I'm not so sure. Halo 1 and 2 released on a console that sold under 30 million units lifetime, with the former game being a launch title. I assume Reach and 4 did as solid as you could expect a console exclusive to do.
Someone in here mentioned that Halo series has sold over 60 or 70 million copies to date or something like that. While thats obviously a nice big number, didn't GTA5 alone pull in over 50 million?
I'm not trying to rewrite history or anything, and I am sure when compared to other console exclusives Halo is at or near the top. But are our expectations perhaps a bit too high, especially considering that Halo 5 is on the second place Xbox One with a smaller install base?
I think Halo 3 did pretty damn well, but aside from that I'm not so sure. Halo 1 and 2 released on a console that sold under 30 million units lifetime, with the former game being a launch title. I assume Reach and 4 did as solid as you could expect a console exclusive to do.
Someone in here mentioned that Halo series has sold over 60 or 70 million copies to date or something like that. While thats obviously a nice big number, didn't GTA5 alone pull in over 50 million?
I'm not trying to rewrite history or anything, and I am sure when compared to other console exclusives Halo is at or near the top. But are our expectations perhaps a bit too high, especially considering that Halo 5 is on the second place Xbox One with a smaller install base?
It's probably that more than anything else
Which is weird to say
But before there was competition, all we knew was halo, it just seems people like what the competition offers more.
Anyone could get a kill in COD/battlefront/destiny, that's appealing to people
I'm sure someone will post some data for you, but bear in mind that Halo is a single platform series for the mainline games (plus a few PC ports), which limits the utility of comparison to multi-platform games like GTA and CoD.
Back at Halo 3's peak, it went toe to toe with CoD on the Live charts in popularity, for months, as a point of comparison.
Obliterator
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For a single platform title Halo at its peak had incredible sales. You are looking at likely 12+ million for Halo 3 alone on the 360. The game was COD level size. I mean even a title as recently as Halo 4 is sitting somewhere in the 8-10 million unit range.
All of that said NA is the most important market for Halo and it will be interesting to compare the drop for the franchise there in comparison to other markets
I have no idea what iPhone is doing
meanspartan
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Right of course, that's why I kept mentioning it did well for a console exclusive. But that just goes towards my point that perhaps we are being a bit unrealistic with our Halo 5 sales expectations. Though of course Halo 3 did come out at around the same point in the Console life span (two years in roughly), so perhaps it is entirely fair to compare it to that game.
Really curious to see how Halo 5 does this weekend in regards to player counts. Halo 4 got pretty beat up by COD, but I'm hoping with COD seemingly hitting a plateau, the hit to the playerbase won't be as bad.
I'm really liking Halo 5 a lot more than 4 for multiplayer, even though the microtransactions will always gross me out.
Warm Machine
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For the last 12 or so years we've been paying $60 for a Halo game and with Halo 5 they have given us 60fps, HD resolutions, full single player, loads of art content, Warzone, MP, tons of customizations, theater mode, free content coming down the line, and so on. It isn't unrealistic for them to try to make a little bit of money off of microtransactions seeing as though the barrier for entry for the players has stayed the same but their costs and effort have only increased.
Halo 3 had next to no competition when it came out and it was the default FPS of the era. CoD is now that and Destiny seems to be crowding the full sci-fi gap. Games in general seem to have incredible staying power with incredible player retention. GTA V is a monster at the moment for securing and keeping a player base.
Sales will likely never be as huge as they were but the game will have a long tail. Halo CE had an incredibly long tail. It sold for years.
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The gameplay changes are a response to Halo 4 -- thus trying to help its sales and relevance for online play. Not sure how what I said was strange.
meanspartan
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I'd be fine with paying another 10 or 20 bucks for a game this content loaded if it meant we got free dlc maps (which also avoids splitting the community) and didn't have microtransactions.
I just don't like a game UI trying to sell me shit, I know it's petty, but I'll never be ok with it. I wish they'd at least kick it out to the Xbox store. Ultimately, it won't affect me much for this game I guess as I am already gravitating a lot more to Arena unless lots of friends are online.
MisterR
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He basically said nothing
Depends on where it's at right now. If it's under 2million right now I doubt it will sell 4 million by the end of the year. If it's over it's possible. Now I think about it I don't think 6 million will be possible for this game by the end of the year. I can see it doing over 5 million eventually pretty easily also. Later in the gen halo 5 may reach a decent LTD(7 million probably) once the xbox one base increases.
I think this is the salient point but it isn't just CoD and Destiny muscling in. For some time, Halo had the prime spot as the "good" console FPS. Nothing came close. Timesplitters, Black, Killzone. Nope. Perhaps only Metroid Prime would be a contender here.
Along with the PS3/360 generation came a great equalising of titles across platforms and with PC too. Suddenly you've got a raft of great single player fps like Bioshock, Dishonored, Deus Ex... everything that makes Halo look as ancient as its roots. Multiplayer is getting bossed by CoD and there are a multitude of diversions like Borderlands, freebie things like Planetside 2.
Essentially, Halo needed to evolve, or at least be retired so it could be evolved. Microsoft should have been launching the XboxOne with Destiny as their new lead IP. Instead they're service the core trinity Halo, Gears, Forza because fans will stick to Xbox purely because of that.
Until a fatigue sets in or a few duffers come out, and then you're in a position where suddenly you're desperately grasping for a successor.
Sony do have a great stab at continually trying something new. Although, I have to say, I feel they mainly hit "solid" rather than iconic. Nice to know you can expect something new around the corner in the future and teams get a chance to move away from their defining titles.
SenjutsuSage
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Don't take anyone serious who is shitting on this game. It's the best Halo title ever made.
Viruz
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This is a sales thread? Isn't it?
Is this true? If so that's impressive
This does make me wonder if H5 was ready earlier in the year and they could have released it earlier would it have made a difference?
Xbox's biggest exclusives this year seems to have been two remasters/remakes (GoW and Rare Collection) and I think a lot of people felt that for most of the year it was pretty bare because MS was saving their big guns all for the holidays.
Maybe if H5 had released in the slower months of summer or spring, maybe it would have done bigger numbers?
igordennis
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Lol. Dont listen to any opinion that doesn't match my own. I'd like to say that you are better than that senjutsu but i dont think you are.
BruceLeeRoy
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That statement makes me think they won't. Anytime you get PR like that it seems to much like an attempt to cushion.
Overall I think H5 will have amazing legs. It is the best MP I have played in a Halo game since 3 and the community and ranking system will ensure a healthy ecosystem. Doesn't really matter if it doesn't beat predessor sales Halo 6 will do great
Mediocre campaign
Amazing MP
Yeah it's pretty awesome and I'm being serious
No doubt, the arena shooter simply isn't as popular as it once was... Halo is basically the only one on consoles, as no one else is even trying.
That's why I think the idea that MS was expecting H3 numbers is ridiculous. I think they should be happy to offer the only quality console product in this niche , and hope it finds success as an e-sport.
But the halo formula doesn't really work at all as anything else. That's why H4 multiplayer dwindled so quickly.
The meltdowns are gonna be fucking glorious.