BuggeryBugz
Member
I think first impressions have been great. What's wrong with server selections? And ultimately, who cares about COD?
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I think first impressions have been great. What's wrong with server selections? And ultimately, who cares about COD?
Twilight Gap
Member
Game's only been out a week. if they don't announce any future updates for another week, then I'd start to worry.
Well some people are looking for a good multiplayer shooter to spend time in.
Twilight Gap
Member
dp
AzureSkies
Member
it can happen to you
it can happen to me
it can happen to everyone eventually
Hell, why isn't there a CTF playlist? One of my favorite parts of Halo 4.
it can happen to me
it can happen to everyone eventually
Why aren't we seeing this more often in Team Arena? The best CTF map by far.
Hell, why isn't there a CTF playlist? One of my favorite parts of Halo 4.
The Antitype
Banned
Neither SWAT nor Breakout feel anything like Halo to me.
They're interesting, I guess, but I play Halo for the back-and-forth grenade/shoot/melee, and those modes feel a bit more campy and twitchy than I prefer from this series.
I feel like you could throw both of them into one 'no shields' playlist and the Team Arena playlist would be better for it.
They're interesting, I guess, but I play Halo for the back-and-forth grenade/shoot/melee, and those modes feel a bit more campy and twitchy than I prefer from this series.
I feel like you could throw both of them into one 'no shields' playlist and the Team Arena playlist would be better for it.
Yes, they need to be very reactive with how they manage the playlists. Hopefully we see something this week.
Leyasu
Banned
Perhaps first impressions wasn't the best phrase. But everything appears limited. Server selection still sees me and I am sure thousands of other people getting dumped into games hosted on the other side of the world...
Although I don't give a shit for cod, millions do... Or perhaps I imagined the runaway success that it enjoys?
Poodlestrike
Banned
Love that song.
And while I'd love a CTF playlist, historically it hasn't worked out well population wise. No pure objective playlist has.
Breakout has shields tho.
FunkyDealer
Banned
Warzone needs another couple maps. And some tweaking to help a struggling team bounce back.
When are we getting BTB?
When are we getting BTB?
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
I don't think I've seen even half of the shipping maps yet.
Is Fathom good? I wouldn't know.
Is Fathom good? I wouldn't know.
RichiRamjag
Member
No, not at all.
BuggeryBugz
Member
Each to their own but halo 5 is a good multiplayer shooter.
Fair enough but I am in Australia and usually get the worst MP experience with lag but halo 5 has been really good. out of 60 or so matches that I've played, only a couple were laggy.
As I suspected Warzone is not really my thing. It is not surprising because I have disliked all vehicle based large scale FPS games released since Tribes 2 Base.
However, Arena is quickly becoming my favourite shooter since the year 2003. It is so good. It is strange that these two games can co-exist in one game.
However, Arena is quickly becoming my favourite shooter since the year 2003. It is so good. It is strange that these two games can co-exist in one game.
Loving this game. Ground Pound into Melee Double Kill.
wesleyshark
Banned
The elite wanted some of the action
The elite wanted some of the action
Elite YOINK
I think the ranking system could be improved, so this post will be about suggestions and how I personally would do that. If you think I'm wrong somewhere, then lets discuss it.
The very first 10 placement matches:
This is probably the most important, because I see lots of people saying they are getting ranked into Divisions they do not belong to. I'm not sure how everyone I know of is placed into Onyx in the SWAT playlist, but 10 matches is clearly not enough to determine that people are good enough to be in the 2nd highest Division that is Onyx. I just don't think it should be possible to get ranked into Onyx after your first 10 placement matches, whatsoever. Lets take the StarCraft 2 ranking system as an example, because Josh Menke worked on both the Halo and the SC2 ranking system. In SC2 you have the following Divisions: Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond, Master and Grand Master. Pretty similiar to Halo 5's ranking system, but you only get to play 5 placement matches. The highest you can achieve there, for winning all placement matches, is Diamond. After that, you will have to play and win a lot of games to get into the Master Division. So, my first suggestion would be that there should be a similiar maximum in Halo 5's ranking system.
Here is an example of how it could look like:
Next Season:
If I understood correctly, you will have to do 10 placement matches for every new Season. The reason why I wrote "The very first 10 placement matches" in my first bullet point is that you should not have to do all of those again, if you have been ranked in the previous Season. Instead, make it a best of 3. Two wins would mean you keep your rank and two losses means you lose a full rank. Means, if you finish Season 1 with a Platinum rank and you lose 2 out of 3 placement matches in Season 2, you should get placed into Gold. This is only viable, if you were placed in the previous Season. If you miss out on one Season, you should play all 10 placement matches again. This way, everybody will have a chance to continue directly from where they left off. The better players would also not have to grind that much.
Season Length:
I need to think about this more once the first Season is over, but I think 1 month is too short. We will see.
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I also have a favour to ask you 343i. Please stop translating proper names into other languages. That includes: CSR ranks, maps, weapons, gamemodes and locations on the map itself.
I noticed, during a Stronghold match on The Rig, that the call outs are translated aswell. Makes it really confusing on where that location actually is on the map, when people who are not playing your game on english try to figure out what the call out might be called in english. Your game is focusing on the competetive aspect of MP and unified call outs would help a ton. Why the other things from my list shouldn't be translated should be self-explanatory.
The very first 10 placement matches:
This is probably the most important, because I see lots of people saying they are getting ranked into Divisions they do not belong to. I'm not sure how everyone I know of is placed into Onyx in the SWAT playlist, but 10 matches is clearly not enough to determine that people are good enough to be in the 2nd highest Division that is Onyx. I just don't think it should be possible to get ranked into Onyx after your first 10 placement matches, whatsoever. Lets take the StarCraft 2 ranking system as an example, because Josh Menke worked on both the Halo and the SC2 ranking system. In SC2 you have the following Divisions: Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond, Master and Grand Master. Pretty similiar to Halo 5's ranking system, but you only get to play 5 placement matches. The highest you can achieve there, for winning all placement matches, is Diamond. After that, you will have to play and win a lot of games to get into the Master Division. So, my first suggestion would be that there should be a similiar maximum in Halo 5's ranking system.
Here is an example of how it could look like:
- Win 1 match out of 10 placement matches -> Placed into Bronze 1
- Win 2 matches out of 10 placement matches -> Placed into Bronze 4
- Win 3 matches out of 10 placement matches -> Placed into Silver 1
- Win 4 matches out of 10 placement matches -> Placed into Silver 4
- Win 5 matches out of 10 placement matches -> Placed into Gold 1
- Win 6 matches out of 10 placement matches -> Placed into Gold 4
- Win 7 or 8 matches out of 10 placement matches -> Placed into Platinum 1
- Win 9 matches out of 10 placement matches -> Placed into Platinum 4
- Win 10 matches out of 10 placement matches -> Placed into Diamond 1
Next Season:
If I understood correctly, you will have to do 10 placement matches for every new Season. The reason why I wrote "The very first 10 placement matches" in my first bullet point is that you should not have to do all of those again, if you have been ranked in the previous Season. Instead, make it a best of 3. Two wins would mean you keep your rank and two losses means you lose a full rank. Means, if you finish Season 1 with a Platinum rank and you lose 2 out of 3 placement matches in Season 2, you should get placed into Gold. This is only viable, if you were placed in the previous Season. If you miss out on one Season, you should play all 10 placement matches again. This way, everybody will have a chance to continue directly from where they left off. The better players would also not have to grind that much.
Season Length:
I need to think about this more once the first Season is over, but I think 1 month is too short. We will see.
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I also have a favour to ask you 343i. Please stop translating proper names into other languages. That includes: CSR ranks, maps, weapons, gamemodes and locations on the map itself.
I noticed, during a Stronghold match on The Rig, that the call outs are translated aswell. Makes it really confusing on where that location actually is on the map, when people who are not playing your game on english try to figure out what the call out might be called in english. Your game is focusing on the competetive aspect of MP and unified call outs would help a ton. Why the other things from my list shouldn't be translated should be self-explanatory.
I hope someone reads this.
Is crouching during a firefight a recommended strategy? I see plenty of folks doing that online, but...I don't see the benefit. In most instances it just provides me with a wider, slower target. All I need to do is aim down a bit. Just curious if I'm missing the benefit of such a tactic.
Yeah, the map/gametype weighting is really confusing. I have yet to see Empire in Slayer, or Fathom in Team Arena... many of these combinations exist. Would make each playlist feel much less stale if the a greater number of maps were incorporated in each, and were weighted so the best ones (read: not Orion) pop up a bit more often.
I have to agree. Warzone is too much focused on long range and vehicles. But Arena really is awesome for me. The last MP shooter I played was TF2 before it was free to play but Halo 5 Arena is better imho. Gives me vibes of UT which was my absolute favorite competitive Shooter game.
RichiRamjag
Member
I like vehicle based large scale games, but warzone honestly makes me hate the game (when I play it). I play terribly and I'm just not sure what's going on. Teammates stand outside a building while it's being capped. Dudes running around with a warthog after the first base is taken. Getting BR fucked the whole match. I honestly thought I was terrible, but I'll play arena perfectly fine so I'm not sure if I'm getting fucked due to req perks or not.
I just have so many games where the opposing team get the edge early on and I'm camped back at base for half an hour. It's a miserable experience sitting back getting camped by tanks and ghosts. I feel like I'm wasting my time.
Can you guys elaborate on what you don't like about it? (Sorry if you already have earlier)
Personally seems okay to me however I've only played a handful of warzone matches. The req system is more of an issue than vehicles themselves.
This is probably my biggest issue atm. Regularly put in with Americans(speaking with them), and it adds a slight but noticeably delay in some games which often results in an extra shot or 2 needed to finish kills off. Can be a bit jarring from game to game.
The elite wanted some of the action
Haha, there are usually two sword Elites that spawn in there and I killed them and picked up a sword. Then I noticed someone from the other team picked up the other one. We had an epic sword battle that I somehow won.
I sign the translation part of your post. It annoys me when I play the game in German and try to come up with a post here but have to look for the English term for something to make you guys understand me.
The ranking part is not so easy to tackle. Winning a game in free for all means being first. If you are always placed 2nd on your placement matches you would be still be ranked into bronze according to your logic. It should incorporate how you did compared to the players that with and against you.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Pegasus isn't half bad, IMO.
Orion is kind of a question mark, tho. Assuming that that one's there to pad the count and show off the nature tools Forge will be sporting (which I must admit I'm pretty impressed with. Gonna be some great looking Forged BTB maps).
RichiRamjag
Member
BuggeryBugz
Member
Haha! That's halo in a nutshell for me (but I keep coming back every time because it's also fun) go figure.
I think it removes you from the radar...at least I'm pretty sure it used to.
I don't look at the radar often anyways.
I really like Pegasus and Orion can be okay at times. They are visually lacking however.
RichiRamjag
Member
Kills me because I'm not bad at arena. Warzone, I turn into a complete scrub and it makes no sense to me. I just want my big team battle back.
Gravemind IV
Member
Man, getting pretty burned out on Warzone.
- Zero point in playing solo. You get dicked by premades 24/7. Absolutely zero fun to be had in these instances, especially when they all have a shit load of good REQ cards.
- Everyone seems to have the longshot BR, no wonder cross mapping people always seemed to be a losing battle (solely in Warzone).
- Some guy running around with what seems to be a 3 shot BR
- Good luck on taking Spire/Fortress away from a team that isn't downright retarded.
- Zero point in playing solo. You get dicked by premades 24/7. Absolutely zero fun to be had in these instances, especially when they all have a shit load of good REQ cards.
- Everyone seems to have the longshot BR, no wonder cross mapping people always seemed to be a losing battle (solely in Warzone).
- Some guy running around with what seems to be a 3 shot BR
- Good luck on taking Spire/Fortress away from a team that isn't downright retarded.
I got you bro
I think potentially the issue with ranking is not the implementation itself, but that the algorithm used to place you is not fully calibrated yet. I assume/hope it is not some flat calculation but actually something which takes into account overall population stats/trends and as such "evolves" with more data. Would be really nice to hear more info on how it works from the powers that be.
Wow, that's rough.
You could try teaming up with GAF people, warzone is pretty team focused imo. But at end of day it's just a very different game mode so I wouldn't sweat it too much. BTB soon™!
RichiRamjag
Member
How I feel. My own fault, I should be playing with my clan. I'm constantly three shot killed. I've blasted people only for them to turn around and 3-shot me. I'd equate it to skill, but in arena, I don't have this issue.
FunkyDealer
Banned
I do. No game related issues so far. I have got an annoying issue where the system can't connect to the internet on startup without a reboot first, though. Hopefully it'll soon be fixed. I have naturally reported it.
7DollarHagane
Banned
I called it before launch when i had a chance to play it. This was going to be clans/teams going against each other and pubstomps otherwise. There is zero reason to go into this mode by yourself.
Honestly, the image quality and terrible animation lod (?) makes this game look appear worse than a remaster of last gen. I don't feel like there is much point in having 60fps with this many 30fps animations on the screen etc. It gives this awful vibe like the game is unfinished, like something is running in the background, choking the Xbox One.
I love the multiplayer though. My only complaint is the sound design. But anyway, while the sound design in Halo has always been a bit iffy, it is really bad in Halo 5. I can get hit by two lightrifle shots and think that maybe the SFX are broken.
There is so much overlay. I don't like 343's Halo 4 art-style (where everything is bloomy full of lens flare etc.), but the overlay actually ads to that. I would often be fighting an enemy from long distance, appreciating that I don't need to ADS to have perfect accuracy, and yet I can't tell what the fuck I am shooting at. A head? An enemy with one weapon or the other? I don't know, it's just a blob of orange light anyway.
And I keep reminding myself, outside of the MCC image quality in Halo has always been sub-par, but there is definitely something wrong when it's what I end up complaining about all the time.
Going from Halo 5 to Destiny, and the 60v30fps feel gets in. The fact that in Destiny you can't do shit while jumping etc. All of that. Halo has better design for its gunplay. But going from Destiny to Halo 5? The appreciation of 60fps quickly wears off and in return it's just a very frustrating experience. I know Halo 5 looks better than everything from last gen, but it feels like that. I feels like I remember Halo 4 feeling, when I loaded it up on my 360 last year. It doesn't feel dated, it feels... like it just was developed in the wrong direction, or unfinished?
Anyway most of my complaints are exclusive to its campaign; while I am not very far into it, I am starting to realised that maybe what I hated so much of Halo Reach wasn't actually its level-design and enemy AI being annoying, but the whole idea of a campaign built around a fireteam.
Oh do I have fond memories of CE and ODST, feeling like I am actually going through an experience that was meant for solo play and did so well at it.
I just can't really say this campaign is good when Wolfenstein came out not too long ago, and I can't really say this campaign is good for a Halo campaign... It's just, better than Halo 4, I guess.
EDIT: Why does sprinting feel so jarring? Like... my character has a headache or something
I love the multiplayer though. My only complaint is the sound design. But anyway, while the sound design in Halo has always been a bit iffy, it is really bad in Halo 5. I can get hit by two lightrifle shots and think that maybe the SFX are broken.
There is so much overlay. I don't like 343's Halo 4 art-style (where everything is bloomy full of lens flare etc.), but the overlay actually ads to that. I would often be fighting an enemy from long distance, appreciating that I don't need to ADS to have perfect accuracy, and yet I can't tell what the fuck I am shooting at. A head? An enemy with one weapon or the other? I don't know, it's just a blob of orange light anyway.
And I keep reminding myself, outside of the MCC image quality in Halo has always been sub-par, but there is definitely something wrong when it's what I end up complaining about all the time.
Going from Halo 5 to Destiny, and the 60v30fps feel gets in. The fact that in Destiny you can't do shit while jumping etc. All of that. Halo has better design for its gunplay. But going from Destiny to Halo 5? The appreciation of 60fps quickly wears off and in return it's just a very frustrating experience. I know Halo 5 looks better than everything from last gen, but it feels like that. I feels like I remember Halo 4 feeling, when I loaded it up on my 360 last year. It doesn't feel dated, it feels... like it just was developed in the wrong direction, or unfinished?
Anyway most of my complaints are exclusive to its campaign; while I am not very far into it, I am starting to realised that maybe what I hated so much of Halo Reach wasn't actually its level-design and enemy AI being annoying, but the whole idea of a campaign built around a fireteam.
Oh do I have fond memories of CE and ODST, feeling like I am actually going through an experience that was meant for solo play and did so well at it.
I just can't really say this campaign is good when Wolfenstein came out not too long ago, and I can't really say this campaign is good for a Halo campaign... It's just, better than Halo 4, I guess.
EDIT: Why does sprinting feel so jarring? Like... my character has a headache or something
Diablohead
Member
this reminds me I did an assassination on someone and I stabbed their spine but because I died after that but before the animation could finish the guy got back up with full shields, in halo reach the game knew which part of the animation was the kill frame, halo 5 doesn't do such a thing? or the servers were lagging...Good snipers take a life and save one with the same bullet.
That gif was a pain for no reason....
If that's the assassination I'm thinking of, then I shot him before the part that kills, and that particular assassination only has one hit, so I'm thinking it does to some degree.
Game was also spot on connection wise from what I remember.