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[AdventureRacing]

The problem isn't the amount of halo games. There are franchises with far more installments that haven't seen fatigue like this. Look at COD, it's in the same genre and has far more entries and it sells much better than this. The problem is that the franchise has went from being one of the best in gaming to be run of the mill. Further it continues to erode the things that actually made it unique. In attempt to lure people back from COD, battlefield etc they have actually given gamers less of a reason to stick with the series. Then there are the real slap in the faces to the fans with things like removing split screen coop.

People tried to deny it for years but it was obvious watching the halo 4 playerbase. The game sold well but the playerbase died super fast compared to any of the previous games. Simple fact is it was a poor game, and after reach which was also a drop in quality fans have been turned away from the series. The fact that halo 5 is no better was just the nail in the coffin.

Halo 1,2 and 3 are up there with my all time favourite games. I however have no intentions of buying halo 5 at all and i'm done with the franchise.

 

[slavesnyder]

http://www.gamesradar.com/halo-5-guardians-beats-bond-uk-box-office/


UK only of course.

That's just beautiful. MS PR never disappoints.

 

[Hoo-doo]

How is a game creating more revenue than the leading box-office film on day one meaningless? Especially when you're seeing articles on here on the front page talking about console gaming dying as we know it. Shows that it's healthy to me.

Is there as big a 'day ONE !1!!!' culture with movies compared to games? I don't think there is.

 

[leeh]

It's still positive news, but Spectre did $63.8 million in its opening week, so I highly doubt Halo 5 opening week beat that (needs +900K sales to do that)

Worldwide? If so, we don't have any numbers for the same with the game do we?

Is there as big a 'day ONE !1!!!' culture with movies compared to games? I don't think there is.

Bond is HUGE in the UK. Midnight showings, showings every 15 minutes at the cinema. It's all I heard about on the radio. There's a huge culture around seeing it straight away here.

 

[Osahi]

The difference being that Bond doesn't make such a huge chunk of it's lifetime earnings on day one.

Comparing the day one sales of a computer game, including all pre-orders, to day one at a cinema is ridiculous levels of spin when games are so front-loaded.

The biggest difference is that a game retails for what, 35 to 40 pound? While a cinema ticket costs a third of that.

Gotta love the PR spin.

 

[Chobel]

Worldwide? If so, we don't have any numbers for the same with the game do we?

Non, the $63.8 million was just UK.

 

[Impeccable]

Anyone know quickly how it stacks up to the opening week of Tremors?

 

[travisbickle]

How is a game creating more revenue than the leading box-office film on day one meaningless? Especially when you're seeing articles on here on the front page talking about console gaming dying as we know it. Shows that it's healthy to me.

Ticket sales for a movie have no relevance to game sales, it's like Polygon pie charts level of inane conjecture.

 

[Elandyll]

So we've got PR, not a flop now? The game made more than Bond in its opening week, that's great.

As already said, opening day (with preorders counting), not week.

Spectre made north of $60m in its opening week, far more than Halo5 in the UK. This PR release is just spin at its finest.

 

[Ricky_R]

Is there as big a 'day ONE !1!!!' culture with movies compared to games? I don't think there is.

It's usually opening weekend numbers for movies.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

Is there as big a 'day ONE !1!!!' culture with movies compared to games? I don't think there is.

Nah, no one was interested in buying tickets to the Star Wars screenings on day one . . . oh shit . . . Start Wars . . . Halo . . . Greenberg! It all makes sense now

 

[Azlan]

Wait. In the first day? Wouldn't that mean over 128,000 copies (7.7 mill/60) of Halo 5 sold on the first day? Hard to believe that only became 150k through the rest of the week. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[leeh]

Non, the $63.8 million was just UK.

Ah, that's amazing for the film. The dollar sign threw me.

 

[Hanmik]

Wait. In the first day? Wouldn't that mean over 128,000 copies (7.7 mill/60) of Halo 5 sold on the first day? Hard to believe that only became 150k through the rest of the week. Maybe I'm missing something.

Digital numbers..

 

[Purest 78]

Completely different MS this generation Went from bragging about numbers, to now comparing games to movies. Without giving any real numbers.

 

[Hasney]

Wait. In the first day? Wouldn't that mean over 128,000 copies (7.7 mill/60) of Halo 5 sold on the first day? Hard to believe that only became 150k through the rest of the week. Maybe I'm missing something.

MS PR will include digital and honestly, the day 1 drop off is significant. Even games that have Friday launches will most often drop over 50% of their sales numbers in week 2, so it is fairly significant. Tuesday releases can be as high as dropping 70% by the second week, I think MGS V was 73% off the top of my had.

 

[ShogunDarius]

that is only for day ONE.. this PR says it beat Spectre in DAY ONE sales..

the numbers (for Halo5)on the chart are for more days.

I only posted it for fun, after all it was just rudimentary, there are many more factors to consider if someone wanted to do a proper guess and even then that would be quite hard to do, like GAME is only £45 online, in store it's £50, then there's the various collector's edition at inflated prices, console bundles etc. I'd also guess that 7.7mil figure may include microtransactions, so that 171111 figure would be a lot lower .

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Anyone know quickly how it stacks up to the opening week of Tremors?

I've heard rumblings underground, but nothing's come up yet.

9/10 Graboids chose digital though.

 

[Katana_Strikes]

Wait. In the first day? Wouldn't that mean over 128,000 copies (7.7 mill/60) of Halo 5 sold on the first day? Hard to believe that only became 150k through the rest of the week. Maybe I'm missing something.

Not sure if they would calculate it at £60 but this is MS PR spin so anything is possible.

 

[Windom Earle]

http://www.gamesradar.com/halo-5-guardians-beats-bond-uk-box-office/


UK only of course.

Must... resist... urge.... to make new thread. :lol

 

[leeh]

So a very basic sales breakdown:

So £7.7 million revenue. Lets assume £40 as the average retail purchase of week one for a copy of Halo 5 (because of limited editions). Retail generated 6 million. That leaves digital revenue at 1.7. With £45 as the lowest possible pricepoint for a digital copy in the UK it leaves ~37k digital copies at best. So digital marketshare is around 20% which has often been cited by many publishers and Nirolak.

Where did you pull the retail 6 million number from? Apologies if it's in the article, just can't see it.

 

[TauntingZ]

Undertale sold more than Halo 5 (250K vs 150K). With zero marketing budget.

When you got unknown indie games with no marketing selling more than console killer apps, you know Microsoft and 343 dun goofed on multiple levels.

It's worrying how badly people want this game to fail.

Exactly this! I cringe reading some of these comment. I mean comparing an worldwide 10 dollar indie game sale to Halo 5's physical UK sales. And in the same post saying how 343 fucked up haha.

Phil seems happy about the sales: https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/661272574156902400
It rates as 2nd videogame (after Zelda 3DS) on Amazon's best sellers 2015 (videogames): http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar#1

The game is doing just fine! It's not the end of the world for microsoft like people try to say here!

 

[Katana_Strikes]

I've heard rumblings underground, but nothing's come up yet.

9/10 Graboids chose digital though.

thisisgood

 

[Elandyll]

Where did you pull the retail 6 million number from? Apologies if it's in the article, just can't see it.

150.000 units (retail) x £40 (average estimated retail price)

 

[Hasney]

Exactly this! I cringe reading some of these comment. I mean comparing an worldwide 10 dollar indie game sale to Halo 5's physical UK sales. And in the same post saying how 343 fucked up haha.

Phil seems happy about the sales: https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/661272574156902400
It rates as 2nd videogame (after Zelda 3DS) on Amazon's best sellers 2015 (videogames): http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar#1

The game is doing just fine! It's not the end of the world for microsoft like people try to say here!

It is doing great, it's just not Halo great. When you compare it something that really didn't do great like The Order with under 40,000 copies sold week 1, it's in a much healthier position.

Amazon isn't a great metric to use though. I don't think it's in the top 5 launches of the year in the UK, but being single format it was never expected to be.

 

[Windom Earle]

The game is doing just fine! It's not the end of the world for microsoft like people try to say here!

Yes, people literally have been saying that this is the end to the whole of MS as we know it. Halo 5 will sink this company like an unstoppable barrage. Bill Gates is crying right now.

Also amazon charts, lol.

 

[jbluzb]

Creative MS PR spin. is Bond now showing in the US? So I can compare 1 month movie sales to Halo 5 October NPD numbers.

 

[EGM1966]

Is there as big a 'day ONE !1!!!' culture with movies compared to games? I don't think there is.

There is for big films but there are constraint for films which is how many cinemas can the distributor book and therefore how many "seats are available"

It's just hyperbole spin. Our game's bigger than Bond (which as a franchise it probably isn't of course). It's finding a specific number they can leverage a positive PR spin on that's all.

It's clever spin though as it does sound good by comparison.

 

[barit]

If Halo 5 makes more revenue on Day-1 than Madonna with her concert in the UK at the Rebel Heart World Tour I will be impressed. This Bond thing however means nothing to me ;P

 

[Windom Earle]

Creative MS PR spin. is Bond now showing in the US? So I can compare 1 month movie sales to Halo 5 October NPD numbers.

I hope this will be a thing.

 

[Messofanego]

Exactly this! I cringe reading some of these comment. I mean comparing an worldwide 10 dollar indie game sale to Halo 5's physical UK sales. And in the same post saying how 343 fucked up haha.

Phil seems happy about the sales: https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/661272574156902400
It rates as 2nd videogame (after Zelda 3DS) on Amazon's best sellers 2015 (videogames): http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar#1

The game is doing just fine! It's not the end of the world for microsoft like people try to say here!

Using Amazon charts is not exactly helping your argument.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Microsofts pr is god like lol i love it. The greatest spinners. Im sure halo did fine AAA gaming wise just probably not Microsoft halo standard wise

 

[Markoman]

http://www.gamesradar.com/halo-5-guardians-beats-bond-uk-box-office/


UK only of course.

Ahahaha...wow, PR and Marketing people are truly the snake-oil vendors of our post-modern era. Cute....

 

[Hasney]

You know, maybe we have been looking at this wrong. Here's some of the big week 1 numbers

FIFA: 939,000
Batman AK: 275,000
The Witcher 3: 184,000
Metal Gear Solid V: 170,000

Ignoring how batshit we are for FIFA, I don't think this should be seen as a bad result for an XB1 exclusive. It's just not up to the usual standards we'd expect.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I don't know whats funnier: the spin, or that people will actually buy it.

 

[Hanmik]

listen...

maybe (just maybe) Microsoft decided make this PR move in the UK because of VG247..? who knows if they played Halo 5 or watched Spectre..

 

[zsynqx]

You know, maybe we have been looking at this wrong. Here's some of the big week 1 numbers

FIFA: 939,000
Batman AK: 275,000
The Witcher 3: 184,000
Metal Gear Solid V: 170,000

Ignoring how batshit we are for FIFA, I don't think this should be seen as a bad result for an XB1 exclusive. It's just not up to the usual standards we'd expect.

Wow, Batman did well!

 

[GribbleGrunger]

MS PR:

Microsoft has today revealed that Halo 5: Guardians outdid new Bond outing, Spectre at the UK box office on their respective opening days. The Xbox One title made £7.7m on day one, compared to Spectre's £6.3m.

http://www.gamesradar.com/halo-5-guardians-beats-bond-uk-box-office/

 

[jbluzb]

You know, maybe we have been looking at this wrong. Here's some of the big week 1 numbers

FIFA: 939,000
Batman AK: 275,000
The Witcher 3: 184,000
Metal Gear Solid V: 170,000

Ignoring how batshit we are for FIFA, I don't think this should be seen as a bad result for an XB1 exclusive. It's just not up to the usual standards we'd expect.

Wow! did not know Witcher 3 sold as much in the UK; the franchise has really come a long way and achieved mainstream success.

 

[Kill3r7]

You know, maybe we have been looking at this wrong. Here's some of the big week 1 numbers

FIFA: 939,000
Batman AK: 275,000
The Witcher 3: 184,000
Metal Gear Solid V: 170,000

Ignoring how batshit we are for FIFA, I don't think this should be seen as a bad result for an XB1 exclusive. It's just not up to the usual standards we'd expect.

The number is great for an exclusive but not so hot for a Halo title. Many folks on sales GAF, myself included, had it pegged around Batman AK numbers.

 

[Boogalogist]

Lol... Comparing day one game sales to movie ticket sales. I'm amazed with the spinning.

 

[piccio_ssl]

MS PR:



http://www.gamesradar.com/halo-5-guardians-beats-bond-uk-box-office/

masterful spin

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Where did you pull the retail 6 million number from? Apologies if it's in the article, just can't see it.

I assume from the topic of this thread the 150k physical sales including bundles multiplied by 40.

It's not completely sound though since he's taking physical sales of multiple days when the figure MS talks about is apparently day 1.

How much it deviates depends on just how frontloaded sales were.

 

[Coxy100]

It's worrying how badly people want this game to fail.

Frankly - it's pathetic.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Maybe we should wait for digital sales of spectre before making a comparison.

You know, maybe we have been looking at this wrong. Here's some of the big week 1 numbers

FIFA: 939,000
Batman AK: 275,000
The Witcher 3: 184,000
Metal Gear Solid V: 170,000

Ignoring how batshit we are for FIFA, I don't think this should be seen as a bad result for an XB1 exclusive. It's just not up to the usual standards we'd expect.

Isn't that the whole point though? No one is saying that the game is an outright financial failure but it is showing a huge decline for the franchise. It's not like the xbone is doing badly in the UK either. It's one of the only markets where the xbone hasn't tanked so i'd say this bodes even worse for WW sales. If halo doesn't sell a megaton in the US than the series is going to see an incredible drop WW.

 

[mbmonk]

Exactly this! I cringe reading some of these comment. I mean comparing an worldwide 10 dollar indie game sale to Halo 5's physical UK sales. And in the same post saying how 343 fucked up haha.

Phil seems happy about the sales: https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/661272574156902400
It rates as 2nd videogame (after Zelda 3DS) on Amazon's best sellers 2015 (videogames): http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar#1

The game is doing just fine! It's not the end of the world for microsoft like people try to say here!

I agree. It is shocking how many people want Halo to fail. And according to the sales data most of them seem to reside in the UK!

I am just joshing

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Frankly - it's pathetic.

Look if you guys cant handle sales talk on a franchise you love don't come into the thread. Dont come in here calling people pathetic because we are talking about sales.

 

[jbluzb]

UK and NA are the only two markets that can carry Halo 5. And it looks like the UK indicated more than 50% sales drop is a critical sign of decline.

I am not sure if NA can bring total Halo 5 sales to even 2 million. They have to sell like 1.8 million to cross this mark which is highly unlikely. *This is considering no Microsoft North America PR Spin of sales even reaching a million after 1 week of retail.

 

[AHindD]

Frankly - it's pathetic.

Please, why don't you quote some examples?

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Please, why don't you quote some examples?

Come on, don't play their game.