Fallout 4 has gone gold; leaked gameplay vids

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So I hope this isn't a pain in the ass but does anyone have a list of most or all of the videos? Non official I mean. I saw several of the earlier ones in this thread but I missed most if not all posted today because of work and am having a devil of a time finding them in here especially cause so many are quote to see. PM me if you have a list? thanks
 
Gridlock said:
What's the NV way? Fallout 4 would be my first Fallout so I seriously don't know.
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In New Vegas you either were past the threshold for being successful, or you weren't. There was no chance to succeed if you didn't meet the requirements. So if a speech check required 100 Speech and you had the 100 Speech, it wasn't a 75% or 90% chance to succeed it, you just did. Conversely, if you were 1 point below the required skill check, you'd fail no matter what.
 
UberLevi said:
In New Vegas you either were past the threshold for being successful, or you weren't. There was no chance to succeed if you didn't meet the requirements. So if a speech check required 100 Speech and you had the 100 Speech, it wasn't a 75% or 90% chance to succeed it, you just did. Conversely, if you were 1 point below the required skill check, you'd fail no matter what.
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Yeah the random chance way is pretty annoying to me especially when you want a quest to go a certain way only available through speech checks which means if you want the best possible outcome you have to save, try, and reset. Nah.
 
rjinaz said:
Yeah the random chance way is pretty annoying to me especially when you want a quest to go a certain way only available through speech checks which means if you want the best possible outcome you have to save, try, and reset. Nah.
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I liked the random chance. It was one of the few things I preferred about 3. Well, really what i liked was not knowing if the check would be successful or not. Even if they hid whether it would work or not, or at the very least didn't tell me what skill level I needed, I would have been happy with that.

I think it comes from RPing with paper and dice. It doesn't seem right if you can just autowin, a higher skill should just be a higher chance it works. PErsonally I think there should be a way you critically fail where you make things worse too (but the rewards for using a skill check vs. regular dialogue better as well). I suppose though when RPing with paper and dice you really can't just go back and do it over again (which I admit I did in 3 a lot. I'd say I'd try to play without doing that this time but I know myself way too well. If nothing else I get curious what the other results are <-did this in Wasteland 2 yesterday trying to fail a check to see what happened. And then I just can't get myself to not keep the best result).
 
Tigress said:
I liked the random chance. It was one of the few things I preferred about 3. Well, really what i liked was not knowing if the check would be successful or not. Even if they hid whether it would work or not, or at the very least didn't tell me what skill level I needed, I would have been happy with that.

I think it comes from RPing with paper and dice. It doesn't seem right if you can just autowin, a higher skill should just be a higher chance it works. PErsonally I think there should be a way you critically fail where you make things worse too (but the rewards for using a skill check vs. regular dialogue better as well). I suppose though when RPing with paper and dice you really can't just go back and do it over again (which I admit I did in 3 a lot. I'd say I'd try to play without doing that this time but I know myself way too well. If nothing else I get curious what the other results are <-did this in Wasteland 2 yesterday trying to fail a check to see what happened. And then I just can't get myself to not keep the best result).
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Well I mean you don't just autowin. You have to put the points in which means making cuts in other places. For example, I wouldn't even consider going past CHA 6 if CHA didn't effect speech checks but because it does I'll put points in that could be going on another category. And also if there are certain checks that require say CHA 10 then many people won't be able to even pass until end game.
 
rjinaz said:
Yeah the random chance way is pretty annoying to me especially when you want a quest to go a certain way only available through speech checks which means if you want the best possible outcome you have to save, try, and reset. Nah.
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Yep, plus I hate the feeling you get with a lot of games that simulate die rolls that they are fixing the roll or that the odds they show don't reflect the actual odds.

Wasteland 2 I found terrible for that. A squad of four with 1% - 3% chance per person per shot for a weapon to jam and then almost every battle (at least that's how it felt) had one person's weapon jamming.

XCOM was the same.
 
At least we're talking about aspects of the game that actually matter as a result of these leaks. All Fallout Reddit can talk about right now is that there are no gun holsters. Not that there shouldn't be mind you.
 
Tigress said:
I liked the random chance. It was one of the few things I preferred about 3. Well, really what i liked was not knowing if the check would be successful or not. Even if they hid whether it would work or not, or at the very least didn't tell me what skill level I needed, I would have been happy with that.

I think it comes from RPing with paper and dice. It doesn't seem right if you can just autowin, a higher skill should just be a higher chance it works. PErsonally I think there should be a way you critically fail where you make things worse too (but the rewards for using a skill check vs. regular dialogue better as well). I suppose though when RPing with paper and dice you really can't just go back and do it over again (which I admit I did in 3 a lot. I'd say I'd try to play without doing that this time but I know myself way too well. If nothing else I get curious what the other results are <-did this in Wasteland 2 yesterday trying to fail a check to see what happened. And then I just can't get myself to not keep the best result).
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For something that takes so much XP and time, and failure means you never get a chance again (unless you do another play through) then I think that having a chance to fail (aka die roll) sucks.

In NV it works imo because the first time you play through the game you have no idea when you'll encounter a check or what level you'll need for it.

If you need to save scum to insure that you'll get the most out of your leveling up then that just adds a layer of irritation that NV's system got rid of.
 
rjinaz said:
Well I mean you don't just autowin. You have to put the points in which means making cuts in other places. For example, I wouldn't even consider going past CHA 6 if CHA didn't effect speech checks but because it does I'll put points in that could be going on another category. And also if there are certain checks that require say CHA 10 then many people won't be able to even pass until end game.
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Ok, but see in paper and dice rpging, the stuff that Bethesda does have some influence in (or at least Fallout does anyways), having a high skill didn't mean you actually succeeded just cause your skill was enough. It just meant you had more of a chance (though sometimes it could mean that you actually could try). You still had to roll for it and you didn't know the result. I kinda think checks would be better in these games if you at least didn't know the result and it was an actual risk to take the option with CHA or Speech vs. the safer option that doesnt' give you as good results but at least can mildly succeed.

If nothing else, I really wish Vegas wouldn't tell you whether you'd fail or succeed even if it was a static check where you just had to have enough skill points. Worse is they even told you what you needed.
 
Honestly, the skill checks should be chance based until you max out the appropriate skill, at which point having full mastery of that talent is rewarded with the guarantee of success. Until that point however, players are still at the whim of dice rolls to determine outcomes while they're still improving on that skill. Just my two cents.
 
Monster Zero said:
Is their an anti save scumming option?
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Well it just kind of depends how FO4 handles speech checks. There is always a way to complete a quest regardless of a speech check option. Most of the times these quests have little consequence on the overall game. If a quest did though and still had a speech check, it would be unfortunate that your fate is up to chance IMO. I'd hate to lose out on a unique item simply because I had a bad roll.
 
Urthor said:
nb, he's playing through the opening atm so ultra mega spoilers


Do not click.

Also, shout outs to Bethseda's lawyers, who are probably reading this thread as we speak
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Yup, clicked and as soon as I realized it was the beginning I noped outta there. I really wanna see some PC footage though.
 
Urthor said:
nb, he's playing through the opening atm so ultra mega spoilers


Do not click.

Also, shout outs to Bethseda's lawyers, who are probably reading this thread as we speak
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Best I can tell, there's no real legal precedent for killing streams. It's just that the big guys let the publishers tell them what to do on these issues.
 
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
Bethesda, you won't have to shut down streams if you go ahead and release it. Just saying.
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Or send me a copy. I never streamed and never will be. I just want to play. The past 3 days have been consumed by pressing F5 on various topics and reddit! I think I'm going nuts. I would only praise the game of course.
 
Personally im okay with seeing early game spoilers. it's the first thing I'm gonna see anyway. Once they get far in game I dont want to see anything.
 
must... not ... watch

come on nov 10... come onnn...

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I'm working the Black Ops III midnight release on Thursday night, but I might not be working Fallout 4's.

C'mon, GameStop, I'm gonna be at that midnight next Monday, anyway. Let me get paid while I'm there.
 
Lenz44 said:
I only got the one 9.97 discount haha, how did you get those other discounts?
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I have no idea but I'm only paying $33.05 (ps4 version). I was debating cancelling (I was a bit conflicted because of me wanting to save a bit of cash but fuck it I'm not!) and I saw that.
 
katkombat said:
I have no idea but I'm only paying $33.05 (ps4 version). I was debating cancelling (I was a bit conflicted because of me wanting to save a bit of cash but fuck it I'm not!) and I saw that.
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Some one on reddit had that happen. I think it came out that it was a bug that affected some people and Amazon is going to go ahead and honor it for those that got affected by it. But don't expect Amazon to honor it for anyone else.

Goddamnit... Fallout needs to come out. I am trying to avoid spoilers but I don't even want to play any games right now, just talk fallout. I'm pretty desperate for any non spoilery fallout discussion (basically trying to avoid story spoilers and also seeing the game at all before I play cause I want the world to be new to me, I don't want to have already seen stuff through leaks or even video released. Hell, I started turning away and just listening during the Bethesda conference cause it seemed i already was seeing more than I wanted to).
 
That Xbox One stream looks good. Nice and smooth. Lol at the person that asked if it was on ultra settings. I stopped watching though. Gah damn I can't wait. Why do I have a bday to go to on the 10th? Fuck me.
 
Vincent Grayson said:
Best I can tell, there's no real legal precedent for killing streams. It's just that the big guys let the publishers tell them what to do on these issues.
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I mean the big guys are AD BUYERS, for Twitch. It makes sense on a purely logical level they'd be worried about that relationship to an extent. I'm sure people will turn up a streaming site that's better than vid.em eventually, vid still leaves a lot to be desired.

Where's the Russian youtube equivalent for example. Or like streaming on nico. That's how you avoid the takedowns.


Anyway we're still a long way from the point where we get to the leaks I REALLY want to see, detailed settlement mechanics, bobble head locations and maths behind how EXACTLY sneak attack damage works
 
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