I was going to mention this too, a normal reaction to a red dot coming towards you shouldn't be meeting him head on in Close quarter, is take step back until you can see him visually, if you haven't seen him and he did see you, he is in advantage, so you need to move away.
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I was going to mention this too, a normal reaction to a red dot coming towards you shouldn't be meeting him head on in Close quarter, is take step back until you can see him visually, if you haven't seen him and he did see you, he is in advantage, so you need to move away.
AHappyPanda
Member
1 and 4 are your fault 100%.
Can i only have 1 company?
Hypertrooper
Member
This game has abysmal spawns. If you are matched up against a party of four on Onyx, you are doomed for the majority of times. It is no fun getting nade spammed when you spawned.
SicSemperTyrannis
Member
Yeah, sorry :'(
wesleyshark
Banned
Dude. Do you even look at your radar at all?
Example 1... You spawn, and March up the stairs immediately into an open line of sight from various places on the map. Blip on your radar to your right. You casually scan to the left. Bam. Shotgunned.
Example 4... You spawn, and run away from the spawn and into the open side of Orion. Meanwhile... Blip on your radar. Hello? Hello? Anyone home?
Pay attention to your radar and your surroundings.
Are you guys frickin' serious?
Regardless of being a players "fault" or not on actually dying right after spawning because they could have reacted to something to not make it 100% hopeless, all 4 are examples of absolutely fucking horrible spawns in a first person shooter game. This should never happen in a 4v4 game, are you kidding me?
Bad spawns aren't just a matter of "I spawned and I died, but could have reacted optimally by acting differently". That's a ridiculously low bar for quality spawning.
That has fuck-all to do with how good the spawns are. The bar isn't "you could have reacted and survived, but you didn't". No, they weren't fine. They were absurdly close to the enemy, his lack of radar-using notwithstanding (especially on example 4).
Regardless of being a players "fault" or not on actually dying right after spawning because they could have reacted to something to not make it 100% hopeless, all 4 are examples of absolutely fucking horrible spawns in a first person shooter game. This should never happen in a 4v4 game, are you kidding me?
Bad spawns aren't just a matter of "I spawned and I died, but could have reacted optimally by acting differently". That's a ridiculously low bar for quality spawning.
That has fuck-all to do with how good the spawns are. The bar isn't "you could have reacted and survived, but you didn't". No, they weren't fine. They were absurdly close to the enemy, his lack of radar-using notwithstanding (especially on example 4).
Oh shit, I just found out Bungie still has Halo 3/2's stats.
http://halo.bungie.net/stats/halo3/careerstats.aspx?player=Einchy
http://halo.bungie.net/stats/playerstatshalo2.aspx?player=Einchy
http://halo.bungie.net/stats/halo3/careerstats.aspx?player=Einchy
http://halo.bungie.net/stats/playerstatshalo2.aspx?player=Einchy
wesleyshark
Banned
1 and 4 are absolutely his own fault because he doesn't pay attention. The spawns were fine.
There's a reason because they the new radar is useless and it's because if you're literally not staring at it 24/7 then you will just miss people sneaking up on you all the time.
Those were terrible spawns, he should have never spawned so close to an enemy.
Spawns are especially terrible in FFA. If I can actually see people spawning then there's an issue and that's something that has happened a ton in FFA for me with only ten games played.
SicSemperTyrannis
Member
This isn't exactly fair, the provided clips may not be the best examples, but I've had some TERRIBLE spawns, especially in SWAT and FFA. In SWAT I've had enemies spawn literally next to/behind/in front of a teammate while I kill their teammate and then the newly spawned poor sap. Obviously, sweet when I get the kill...not so cool when you're spawning and dying immediately instead though. In FFA, there being 8 people is too many, you can never remove yourself from an encounter without there being another player directly in your rectum and usually freshly spawned to boot. This is coming from someone that has been doing pretty well in FFA, with a positive KD ratio and always in the top 4 players iirc.
WordsintheWater
Member
Some of you will literally defend anything when it comes to this game. Those are bad spawn so stop trying to make em anything else. They happen in this game, it's happened to me a few times. Doesn't happen too often, but it does occur.
FFA with 8 people on these maps is just bound to be that way, so I can somewhat understand it. But yes, I've had some pretty bad spawning luck in SWAT.
wesleyshark
Banned
The new radar is not useless. That's a ridiculous thing to even try to say.
SicSemperTyrannis
Member
I would assume that 343 will be changing back to Halo 4 FFA player limit (6) the way it should be, especially with all the new faster play mechanics.
Digital Limit
Member
Halo 5 has a great spawning system outside of SWAT as far as I'm concerned. Instantly respawning on your own X is a bug.
Outside of that, complaints about occasionally spawning "close" to enemies are trying pretty hard to rationalize away their own failures. Small maps, faster movement, you're going to occasionally spawn near danger.
Yeah, we just saw NIBZY fail to save his own life twice by ignoring it. I use it all the time, especially with this FOV it's super helpful for managing what I can't see nearby.
Outside of that, complaints about occasionally spawning "close" to enemies are trying pretty hard to rationalize away their own failures. Small maps, faster movement, you're going to occasionally spawn near danger.
Yeah, we just saw NIBZY fail to save his own life twice by ignoring it. I use it all the time, especially with this FOV it's super helpful for managing what I can't see nearby.
The new radar is useless.
If I look at the radar, there's no one there, I take my eyes off it and then die 2 seconds later from an assassination because people can just sprint at me then it's useless. The radius is far too small for it to work in this game when you've got sprint and the default weapons can kill you from long range. I've had people kill me with assault rifles who were standing outside of my radar's range. Now that's ridiculous.
You know what's also ridiculous? You trying to say it was that guy's fault that he spawned next to an enemy.
Twilight Gap
Member
Spawn # 1 probably happened because he spawned before the player moved into his spawn influence. If the player was closer, he wouldn't have spawned there.
wesleyshark
Banned
False. It is absolutely useful as-is.
He didn't spawn next to an enemy in #1 and #4... he spawned and ran into areas that left him open for attack. Easily avoidable if he would have looked at his radar and not jaunted out into the open.
DannyButtermen
Neo Member
This my friend, is the best idea I've heard in awhile.
FATstronaut
Member
You should try playing with your eyes open.
I agree with you that spawns need to be looked at and fixed (especially in FFA) but 1 and 4 were kind of your fault ¯\_(ツ
_/¯
_/¯Radar has always been a huge crutch and caused players to turtle a lot.
I think this radar is a perfect compromise. Let's you flank and be sneaky without crouching around the whole map.
Also, I think there needs to be a way to req in the different grenades in warzone
AHappyPanda
Member
There's literal bad spawns, like 2 and 3, then there's bad spawns and not doing anything to improve your situation, such as clips 1 and 4, that's why everyone is jumping on him.
victreeb3l
Member
I'd be pissed off at those spawns too.
And I wish the radar had a longer range like the past games.
And I wish the radar had a longer range like the past games.
Well, number 2 is not a bad spawn as the other player was in distance, the other player that got the kill already knows where players can spawn, so he was spawn camping from a distance, so that spawn point was clean before Nib died. You could do this too in Halo 3 the Pit, Narrows, Foundry, Stand Off, and High Ground.
Digital Limit
Member
Promethean Grenade REQs? Yes please.
wesleyshark
Banned
Radar is a massive crutch and I'm glad it's been massively reduced. That being said... It's still very useful if you actually look at it lol.
Well, that's a compelling argument. Thanks for setting me straight!
lol @ this death being his fault.
https://onedrive.live.com/?id=6B4AA...0A7D619B!183&authkey=!ACydSlICVb6-aqw&o=OneUp
I guess when I spawn I should just sit still and wait 5 seconds just to make sure I didn't spawn right next to a guy with a shotgun.
It's almost like the radar worked fine for 5 games and then they made a dumb decision or something.
Goddamn that Halo community.
blue_phazon
Member
Stinkles said we'd get new map info today I think (or at least some info ABOUT the new maps...maybe a release schedule?)
Any clue what time it'll be up?
Any clue what time it'll be up?
DontBeThatGuy
Member
Well, spent today getting slaughtered, messed up my mood something serious lol. I might have to start sending out invite to the decent players after matches, so I can get carried more efficiently. (also, it's definitely time for a better monitor)
AHappyPanda
Member
You clearly see a red dot moving fast at him to his right. He should play under the assumption that this player is sprinting at him and is going to Spartan charge him, melee him, or has a super effective close range weapon.
Instead of distancing himself immediately, he decided to turn and face the threat w/ ZERO knowledge of what the enemy is holding.
It's his fault.
wesleyshark
Banned
No radar would be best but the limited radar is as good as it's ever been. 👌
I'm with you on this one. The only terrible spawns are when you a) get instantly shot, b) nade right on your feet. Otherwise it's fine.
FATstronaut
Member
They should just get rid of radar.
#TeamNoRadar
#TeamNoRadar
I thought destiny handles it best. I probably woudn't mind if the new Halo radar had an extended ring that would show you the general direction of enemies.
Yep, and that sucks for people like that like to play on a whim without organizing a party always. The beauty of CoD, Destiny and Titanfall is that I can play alone and do very well.
Halo 5 desperately needs a social or no parties playlist.
They literally spawned him in a room right next to a guy with a shotgun.
How is this somehow his fault? Do you assume that people will be 5 feet away from you when you spawn? I've never spawned and immediately looked at my radar to make sure I didn't get spawned next to someone. Why would I? I never had to do that in past Halo games. Is this part of the new meta?
I measured it myself and it's 66 degrees.
66 DEGREES.
That's significantly smaller than it's ever been in Halo. You can only see 18% of what's around you at any one time.
I literally just moved forward to get the BR. I had no idea I'd be one shotted. At most I thought I could take a scrape and duck back to cover and pick them off later. But I don't like the idea of being cornered in that spot with just a pistol for long range against potential BR's and DMR's.
Exactly, you should not be spawning so close to enemies full stop. The system should recognise it and spawn you further, which is what I'm pretty sure other popular online shooters do.
wesleyshark
Banned
Destiny radar is definitely top. It provides some awareness without being a handicap feature. I only say no radar would be better in Halo because the past 4 games have handicapped a lot of people into relying on it to be able to move across a map, or using it as a scapegoat when they get ambushed.