Oppo
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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/business/keystone-xl-pipeline-obama-1.3307440
I know you don't believe the byline but that was pretty funny to read.
besides it was Obama's word
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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/business/keystone-xl-pipeline-obama-1.3307440
I know you don't believe the byline but that was pretty funny to read.
besides it was Obama's word
gutter_trash
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LOL Conservatives are already blaming Trudeau for KXL failing after 2 days,
hahahha forgetting that they sat on it for 9 years
hahahha forgetting that they sat on it for 9 years
matthewwhatever
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It was actually in the official statement from the PMO, too, but I don't think they're all that broken up about it -- I've always thought their support for KXL was premised on the fact it wasn't getting passed, so they could use it as a cudgel against Harper for screwing up relations with our closest ally.
gutter_trash
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Liberals have learned to phrase their sentences carefully concerning any issue that Albertans get emotional sensitive about, even if they don't mean it
Putting on a sad face in public doesn't mean he's not happy about it behind closed doors.
Ambrose needs something to attack him on, since hair, not being ready, and Muslims all failed to land.
PumpkinSpice
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It's gone down a bit but everyone has long assumed it wasn't going to get built so it shouldn't be a huge swing.
TheRagnCajun
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The market hardly flinched. They writting has been on the wall for a while now...
Oppo
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So this turned out to be:
heh. was it donated by Blatchford?
gutter_trash
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We better used to a strategy by the Conservatives and conservative-backed media to attack every single little thing about the Liberals.
gutter_trash, you should just set that media to ignore before you have an aneurism
nah, I am loving the taste of Tory Tears too much
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/trudeau-government-appears-to-be-unmuzzling-government-employees-1.3307679?__vfz=tc%3D8e_Bb06dafo
Really happy to see how fast this government is at fixing the last government's mess
Really happy to see how fast this government is at fixing the last government's mess
Donald hates Keystone to
gutter_trash
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Donald won't be the GOP nominee,the establishment will block him and block Carson.
John Ellis Bush is crashing and burning, the establishment will probably pick Marco Rubio.
fun fact: Grandpa Bush was an oil man, Ted Cruz and father are oil and gas men, Rubio is a shill for fossil fuel oil companies.
There's nothing they can do about the pipeline anyway now.
gutter_trash
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TheQueen'sOwn
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Got an email from the PM to my impartial public servant inbox. Feels good, man. It's early still but this government is hitting all the right notes.
CitizenVectron
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Huh. So you're saying that we don't actually know what Trudeau stands for then, that he says one thing publicly and believes another privately? Sounds sort of like the smear job you keep perpetrating on another leader...
PumpkinSpice
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66% is more than McKenna got when he took every single seat in New Brunswick.
No, see, it's ok with Trudeau because we've known him since he was a small child so we know him and what he thinks and sherbrooke and YES in 1995 and and...
heh.
PumpkinSpice
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Also of note, NL is the last province with a PC government in charge.
Now if only Brad Wall could somehow get the boot.
Now if only Brad Wall could somehow get the boot.
gutter_trash
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Must be why they booed journalists for asking questions to Dion. Especially from the department that leaked damaging memos during the campaign. All this happened on a day where one of our key foreign policy failed. But let's celebrate! The public servants clearly won their election.
Oppo
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gutter_trash
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Honeymoons usually end with the first tabled budget in Spring, give it a good 6 monthsdeflecting like Trudeau
honeymoon is almost over, get ready
Eric Grenier said if I recall that it possible that the opposition gets shut out of the House of Assembly with a percentage that high.I wouldn't be surprised if that happened at this point because momentum could give the Newfoundland Liberals a big enough boost to make sure the others parties don't win a seat, but this will depend on the direction the local races are going there.At this point it doesn't look like the Premier of Newfoundland will keep his seat and it doesn't look like the NDP leader will win a seat either.
On the plus side, an election producing no opposition could be great fuel on the non-proportional* electoral system bonfire.
(* AV can do this too)
~ Zyzomys ~
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My wife told me Minister Duclos was greeting staff as they went in to work at ESDC this morning. She and many others were very impressed. The department's economists are also impressed with his knowledge and background. Definitely hitting the right notes.
Cheers
Cheers
Though the Manitoba NDP is also about to get the shit kicked out of it, albeit next April, unless they've got something really impressive up their sleeve.
Slightly off topic, but I hope you guys are giving feedback to CBC's new beta website and why it sucks for desktop usage.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/
So this turned out to be:
Harper sent them a going away present?
TheRealTalker
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trans-pacific-partnership-details-1.3308248
so now the TPP is fully available to the public... all 6000 pages of it
critics are going crazy on how bad it is and apparently the Liberal Government will see how Canadians feel about it before going into debates
so now the TPP is fully available to the public... all 6000 pages of it
critics are going crazy on how bad it is and apparently the Liberal Government will see how Canadians feel about it before going into debates
firehawk12
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"But it's too late etc etc etc".
"In one such deal with the U.S., Canada has agreed to share information on the illicit trade of counterfeit and pirated goods."
Get ready for C&D letters directly from American film and television studios!
The TPP might be a good, bad or awful deal, but the discussions about it on the Internet are barely above the level of 9/11 truthers stuff. Suddenly all college students are experts in trade and law because they watched two youtube videos or listened to a Bernie Sanders speech. Hyperboles abound and you get most ridiculous hypothecal situations. No you won't get sued for singing happy birthday...
It's quite frustrating as it doesn't seem like we can get a clear view about the positive and negatives aspects. At 6000 pages, who the hell will read it and summarize it in a useful way?
I get the feeling that the globalization ship has sailed and we have to roll with it. At least until the next global cataclysmic event.
It's quite frustrating as it doesn't seem like we can get a clear view about the positive and negatives aspects. At 6000 pages, who the hell will read it and summarize it in a useful way?
I get the feeling that the globalization ship has sailed and we have to roll with it. At least until the next global cataclysmic event.
PumpkinSpice
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Dion talking about keystone rejection. A lot of non-answers to press questions.
matthewwhatever
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There's no real benefit to coming down too strongly on one side or the other when it comes to Keystone. Its failure is all Harper's, so there's no sense in being outraged -- that would fly in the face of their environmental stance and their promise to improve the tone of our relationship with the United States -- and being too happy would just be seen as dancing on the Conservatives' grave/taking pleasure in Alberta's misfortune. Just letting it die is a pretty viable strategy
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My wife and my mom are both public servants too, and they're over the moon at how the new Liberal minister has been treating the department so far. Apparently, not treating your own employees like the enemy makes for a more positive work environment. Shocking.
Reminder: Selinger is the most disliked premier in Canada. He's so toxic, he helped tank the federal NDP during this past election -- remember the Nanos poll where they were at, like, 2%? I don't know what the opposition in Manitoba is like, but the ingredients are there for the Manitoba NDP to get thoroughly routed.
Anyone know what Gary Doer is doing now? Maybe he can come back and save them from oblivion. (Unless he's been tainted with Harper's stench, of course.)
until Transcanada sues under NAFTA
My wife and my mom are both public servants too, and they're over the moon at how the new Liberal minister has been treating the department so far. Apparently, not treating your own employees like the enemy makes for a more positive work environment. Shocking.
Reminder: Selinger is the most disliked premier in Canada. He's so toxic, he helped tank the federal NDP during this past election -- remember the Nanos poll where they were at, like, 2%? I don't know what the opposition in Manitoba is like, but the ingredients are there for the Manitoba NDP to get thoroughly routed.
Anyone know what Gary Doer is doing now? Maybe he can come back and save them from oblivion. (Unless he's been tainted with Harper's stench, of course.)
pr0cs
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Meh,par for the course really, those Canadians reveling in the loss are happy that it means a lot less money for the country as a whole but...who cares right, fuck Alberta, about time they got their commupance or so I've been told here a few times now
It was actually an EKOS poll that showed the federal NDP at 2% support in Manitoba. About Selinger I would not be surprised if he pulled off another victory looking at his opponents especially his PC opponent who has said a lot of controversial and if I recall offensive stuff in the past and is a former alliance and conservative MPl. It's possible the PC's 20 point lead will evaporate by election time.
Stumpokapow
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Looks like a pretty good angle to me. Don't shit on Keystone, don't stir the hornet's nest unnecessarily, Keystone was the last guy's problem... but while we're on the subject, the last guy hated the environment and we don't and it's important for us. I don't know that the questions make any sense.
firehawk12
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The thing is that it's so expansive that there's fuckery for everyone.
The time to generics for pharmaceuticals, for example, increases in all the countries under the TPP to be more in line with American rules.
Oh, the corporate tribunal thing is funny too. I only mention it because John Oliver recently did a piece on how tobacco companies are using existing trade deals to sue countries into reversing anti-smoking legislation like the "scary packaging" laws that we have here in Canada:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsHHOCH4q8
gutter_trash
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on a serious note, the US is hypocritical on the excuses of opposing KXL since they have increased fracking on home soill and have colluded with OPEC and their Saudi overlords to put to squeeze on Russia oil and Iranian oil
The US going about being holier than though on Climate Change is laughable at best
The US going about being holier than though on Climate Change is laughable at best
firehawk12
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But Fracking is clean! Really!
The higher prices for drugs is a valid concern. Same for ISDS, but it already exists in other trade deals so it's nothing new.
But many of the concerns about the IP provisions are laughable. First, many of the provisions already exists in IP legislation in many countries. The point is also having them in places like Vietnam or Malaysia.
Then, many of the scenarios are completely absurd because they don't take into account the basic rule of risk vs. reward. For example, some people are freaking out because it would be "legal" for a corporation to send malware to brick a device. But the second the news get out that something like this had happened, people would simply buy from a competitor. And there always will be at least one competitor known for "not sending malware" for the good publicity. Think #SonyNoDRM. So there is really no point of doing that aside from wanting to ruin your reputation.
Also, as long as you don't go overboard, you won't get sued for copyright infrigement for stuff you post or download on the Web. Why? Because their lawyer costs more than what they'd get in damages. At least in Canada where courts don't award ridiculous damages for small transgressions. And if they make it a criminal offense, prosecutors won't bother because it's such a waste of judicial resources. "De minimis non curat lex". You can apply the same line of reasoning to most "scenarios" that have come up.
I wouldn't dare post that in the TPP thread because I would get eviscerated and be called a paid shill or something. And I'm not even in favor of the TPP.
Interestingly, tobacco companies are specifically excluded from being allowed to sue under this deal.
The most recent Planet Money is about the TPP.
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/
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