007 SPECTRE |OT| It's me, Austin. It was me all along, Austin.
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To be fair to Bond
He did see him get hit with an explosive in the lab
Then the entire compound blew up...
Then the entire compound blew up...
Anton Sugar
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I was a little confused, because after the compound
exploded, he tells Madelin "it's not over yet", so I thought that Bond knew that Blofeld could be alive...but the next scene he's like "he's definitely dead".
The "it's not over yet" was referring to C and Nine Eyes, which is why they head back to London to regroup with M.
I LOVED Quantum of Solace and really liked Spectre.
Also two SUVs were driving away from the compound behind the helicopter as it was getting airborne. Maybe possible to miss in the chaos but exactly one minute later Bond should've seen the enormous dust plume kicked up by the cars driving through perfectly flat, undeveloped desert...
This was what I took from it as well. Spectre wasn't there to kill Bond. He just happened to cross paths with their plans.
I still don't like that Silva was part of it all though.
I didn't hate Solace (in fact, it's grown on me), but I still prefer the other three films. Part of that is because Casino Royale, Skyfall, and Spectre feel like they're cut from the same cloth. Quantum's the odd one out in many respects -- whether that's good or bad depends on your perspective.
Agreed. SPECTRE felt like a natural progression of
Quantum
It might've been more interesting if SPECTRE had actually been trying to stop Silva for their own reasons (a potential rival, and a roguish threat to their plans). Could've been the thing that tipped M off to their existence in the first place.
More_Badass
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Enjoyed it, but it was on par with QoS IMO.
At least QoS had that great car chase opening
This movie was just disappointing. A weak villain, a boring finale, and one really "What...really? moment"
Baustista was great through, as was the fight choreography
At least QoS had that great car chase opening
This movie was just disappointing. A weak villain, a boring finale, and one really "What...really? moment"
Baustista was great through, as was the fight choreography
IdreamofHIME
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"Spectre is the worst James Bond in years"
Years!
Skyfall 2012
Spectre 2015
1,2,3
It's the 1st James Bond in years!
Years!
Skyfall 2012
Spectre 2015
1,2,3
It's the 1st James Bond in years!
Anton Sugar
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Yup, I saw those--that's exactly what I thought he was talking about.
It's so silly that the villain is omniscient but Bond doesn't even notice a super important, super conspicuous thing happening like a couple hundred yards away in clear line of sight. Him missing that is a good argument for the surveillance program, lol. Why rely on one suave dude when you could have cameras and satellites and shit that wouldn't miss something so obvious and important.
I said earlier how awful I thought spectre was, here's why.
The whole film feels like a rehash of an old cheesy bond, minus the charm.
The intro was lame, which ironically was probably one of the best 'action pieces' in the entire film. So much hype built up around this film because we would see spectre and blowfield, bonds apparent ultimate foe, especially with a great actor such as Waltz starring. Unfortunately Waltz is wasted in this role, we barely see him and when we do, he just rambles on with boring monologues and retcons.
Yes this film had more retcons than a MGS game, all for the sake of linking everything together. They gave us Quantum organisation which was clearly a shoe in for Spectre, yet that wasn't good enough so lets just do a film with Spectre.
Batista was hilarious in this film, as soon as they showed him kill that eye with the thumps in the eye and said nothing, I knew he would have no lines in the film, he became a poormans fat oddjob.
Monica was in the film for 5 seconds yet was all the promo etc, felt like a pointless waste of 20 minutes for a film that was already too long, although it was good to see her being sexy I guess. The case chase after the Batista introduction was easily one of the worse car chases in film history; it is bond driving down an alleyway for five minutes before jumping out of the car. This car chase highlights how shit the action in the entire film is, the plane chase was pretty good but ultimately is bond going forward in a plane and crashing it. Which brings up the point why the fuck does he let Oddjob live? He shoots Oddjobs team mate, yet a so called train assassin would have finished the guy who is clearly uncontentious was just trying to kill me.
Girl who gets captured very easily in her office, insists on coming with bond even thought she will more likely get in the way. Insert travelling and being romantic with one another for yet another pointless filler, our young doctor falls for the OAP bond who will be soon swapping his Walther for a zimmer. Enter batistaaaaaaa mother fucker, comically steps in and kicks bond in the back when he could have easily just shot him. So after spectre just trying to kill bond, they send him a fucking taxi after he gets off the train lol.
So here comes the convulsion, Our blowfield guy, blows all, revealing how he killed all the women bond loved. Fact check, vesper killed herself and could have been kept safe if she didn't kill herself. M was killed by the crazy hacker as revenge. Even this wasn't intentionally, she took a stray bullet in the house gun fight. A better case would have been to say bond gets all the people around him killed, but no, lets just insert some awful writing.
So after all the lies, blowfield tells bond he's his brother, and he killed his adopted father LOL. Ok so since bond already knew blowfield was an pseudo and he was that other person with the German name, bond would have know instantly that he used to have a step brother called that, yet he never mentions it or makes no connection, even when blowfield is telling him... Then comes the hiliarious torture device; lets make bond lose his memory by drilling into his check and neck, maybe there is a science to it, but it looked dumb as hell, especially since the last three bonds were more grounded in current times, instead of silly technology such as space lasers (moonraker) etc.
Then there is the secret base in the middle of nowhere, that Waltz decides to blow up and kill everyone and his network because bond escaped.
The traitor was all to obvious and so stupid, almost as stupid as the merger of Mi5 and Mi6 into some new building that looked like shit, even if that were to happen, I doubt they would just bulldozer the old building the next day lol.
then the ending, hide and fucking seek, just for blowfield to talk some more smack and run off, followed by the hand gun shooting down a helicopter from at least 300 to 500 metres away, a handgun is what, accurate up to 50 metres? Plus he was firing into the sky and wind...
the whole film felt lazy, maybe Craig told the producers he's too old and didn't want to do much action, that reminds me, the escape from the secret base, all bond does is pick up a gun off the floor and casually fires it with one arm behind him as he runs off, it is like one of two shoot outs in the film LOL.
I was laughing and shaking my head throughout at how bad it was, QoS was better than this shit.
Forgot to mention the awful song and title sequence to just to add to the shitness, I probably missed something, but there was just so much to choose from.
The intro was lame, which ironically was probably one of the best 'action pieces' in the entire film. So much hype built up around this film because we would see spectre and blowfield, bonds apparent ultimate foe, especially with a great actor such as Waltz starring. Unfortunately Waltz is wasted in this role, we barely see him and when we do, he just rambles on with boring monologues and retcons.
Yes this film had more retcons than a MGS game, all for the sake of linking everything together. They gave us Quantum organisation which was clearly a shoe in for Spectre, yet that wasn't good enough so lets just do a film with Spectre.
Batista was hilarious in this film, as soon as they showed him kill that eye with the thumps in the eye and said nothing, I knew he would have no lines in the film, he became a poormans fat oddjob.
Monica was in the film for 5 seconds yet was all the promo etc, felt like a pointless waste of 20 minutes for a film that was already too long, although it was good to see her being sexy I guess. The case chase after the Batista introduction was easily one of the worse car chases in film history; it is bond driving down an alleyway for five minutes before jumping out of the car. This car chase highlights how shit the action in the entire film is, the plane chase was pretty good but ultimately is bond going forward in a plane and crashing it. Which brings up the point why the fuck does he let Oddjob live? He shoots Oddjobs team mate, yet a so called train assassin would have finished the guy who is clearly uncontentious was just trying to kill me.
Girl who gets captured very easily in her office, insists on coming with bond even thought she will more likely get in the way. Insert travelling and being romantic with one another for yet another pointless filler, our young doctor falls for the OAP bond who will be soon swapping his Walther for a zimmer. Enter batistaaaaaaa mother fucker, comically steps in and kicks bond in the back when he could have easily just shot him. So after spectre just trying to kill bond, they send him a fucking taxi after he gets off the train lol.
So here comes the convulsion, Our blowfield guy, blows all, revealing how he killed all the women bond loved. Fact check, vesper killed herself and could have been kept safe if she didn't kill herself. M was killed by the crazy hacker as revenge. Even this wasn't intentionally, she took a stray bullet in the house gun fight. A better case would have been to say bond gets all the people around him killed, but no, lets just insert some awful writing.
So after all the lies, blowfield tells bond he's his brother, and he killed his adopted father LOL. Ok so since bond already knew blowfield was an pseudo and he was that other person with the German name, bond would have know instantly that he used to have a step brother called that, yet he never mentions it or makes no connection, even when blowfield is telling him... Then comes the hiliarious torture device; lets make bond lose his memory by drilling into his check and neck, maybe there is a science to it, but it looked dumb as hell, especially since the last three bonds were more grounded in current times, instead of silly technology such as space lasers (moonraker) etc.
Then there is the secret base in the middle of nowhere, that Waltz decides to blow up and kill everyone and his network because bond escaped.
The traitor was all to obvious and so stupid, almost as stupid as the merger of Mi5 and Mi6 into some new building that looked like shit, even if that were to happen, I doubt they would just bulldozer the old building the next day lol.
then the ending, hide and fucking seek, just for blowfield to talk some more smack and run off, followed by the hand gun shooting down a helicopter from at least 300 to 500 metres away, a handgun is what, accurate up to 50 metres? Plus he was firing into the sky and wind...
the whole film felt lazy, maybe Craig told the producers he's too old and didn't want to do much action, that reminds me, the escape from the secret base, all bond does is pick up a gun off the floor and casually fires it with one arm behind him as he runs off, it is like one of two shoot outs in the film LOL.
I was laughing and shaking my head throughout at how bad it was, QoS was better than this shit.
Forgot to mention the awful song and title sequence to just to add to the shitness, I probably missed something, but there was just so much to choose from.
More_Badass
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Why do these movies always try to argue one or the other? Ideally the best set-up is to have that super-effective surveillance program, plus the agents on the ground to use that info during missions
Joel Was Right
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I feel vindicated.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Well I think he assumes Batista is dead in the car after the crash and a bullet in him, hence why he doesn't shoot him again.
Blofeld isn't saying he personally murdered these people, just that SPECTRE -- his organization -- is to blame. Vesper killed herself because of Quantum, which is part of SPECTRE. M died as a result of Silva, a member of SPECTRE. Ultimately they're both attributed to Blofeld's reach, which is what he's gloating about.
FairFriend
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Just seen the movie. My personal ranking of Craig Bond Movies.
Casino Royale > Spectre >> Quantum of Solace >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SkyFall
Those who said that this is Craig's TSWLM are misguided. It's not that over the top. The movie has a lot of things going for it. One of the few Bond movies with some character development, and not on the nose like in SkyFall. A very good henchman, extremely menacing. The whole movie actually has an intimidating atmosphere, jokes notwithstanding. This is probably what I liked more.
M, Q were at their best, really liked that the new quartemaster had more to do in this one. If the screeplay had been tighter, the music (including the main song) better (possibly writteng by Arnold) and with a different cinematography it would have been up there with the greatest, just below CR, FRWL, TLD, OHMSS. As it stands it's a very good Bond movie, perhaps not a good movie per se. Miles better than SF.
Casino Royale > Spectre >> Quantum of Solace >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SkyFall
Those who said that this is Craig's TSWLM are misguided. It's not that over the top. The movie has a lot of things going for it. One of the few Bond movies with some character development, and not on the nose like in SkyFall. A very good henchman, extremely menacing. The whole movie actually has an intimidating atmosphere, jokes notwithstanding. This is probably what I liked more.
Not to mention Blofed. Waltz did an extremely good job considering what he was given. I think is interpretation was sufficientely villainous, without becoming a parody. The makeup was incredible (I admit I nerdgamsed when I saw the scar), not to mention the pussy! (should have shown it in more scenese). The happy ending was very emotional, did not expect that. Finally James can get some rest. I think this is the best way to end Craig's tenure.
M, Q were at their best, really liked that the new quartemaster had more to do in this one. If the screeplay had been tighter, the music (including the main song) better (possibly writteng by Arnold) and with a different cinematography it would have been up there with the greatest, just below CR, FRWL, TLD, OHMSS. As it stands it's a very good Bond movie, perhaps not a good movie per se. Miles better than SF.
Lol at the people saying it's a bad movie. It's like people just want to hate on something for the sake of hating on it, I don't think it's the best daniel craig bond movie but It's quite good and has some really good things about it.
Casino Royale is still my favorite though.
Casino Royale is still my favorite though.
Saw it today. I actually liked QoS better than this due to the opening sequence, Felix's involvement and some genuinely human moments like Mathis and Bond's grieving over Vesper...
but this...this was just middling. Poor action sequences, lame car chases that had me pining for the F&F franchise and a villain as menacing as Wile E. Coyote with the same penchant for self-sabotage.
but this...this was just middling. Poor action sequences, lame car chases that had me pining for the F&F franchise and a villain as menacing as Wile E. Coyote with the same penchant for self-sabotage.
Anton Sugar
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Don't say this--it's ignorant. People have opinions--we're not salivating under bridges, waiting to hate on the next big movie that crosses over.
Yeah dude that car chase was so lame that Bond got bored and called his secretary just to check in. He didn't even need some time-sensitive information from her. It was funny when Moneypenny blew off her boy's question by saying "my boss lost his credit card". The joke is that she's actually a Cool Ex-Field Agent Spy Babe but she's pretending she's a boring secretary... except in this movie she really is just a boring secretary running errands.
Anton Sugar
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Oof, that
was a slog.
Honestly, I wasn't crazy about any of the action in the movie, other than the
EDIT: I guess I should mention some stuff I actually liked about it:
-Hand to hand fighting was shot well enough. Nothing too fancy, but I appreciated being able to understand what was happening
-Train fight was great!
-All of the acting was great. Craig is Craig (same for Fiennes). Even though she was poorly written, Lea Seydoux did a great job at trying to portray a complex character. Kinda the same for Waltz--he just didn't have enough to do
-I like some of the quips. I can't remember many
but I smiled more than a few times. Pretty sure Ben Whishaw was responsible for a number of them
car chase
Honestly, I wasn't crazy about any of the action in the movie, other than the
train encounter. Even the intro felt really...I don't know. Vanilla. Yes, I realize a chopper was spinning like crazy, and at the very end, it gets tense, but I can only watch a chopper spinning/looping through the air before the stakes dissolve.
The plane chase was just goofy. The whole time I was thinking "What, exactly, is Bond going to accomplish here?" Luckily, everything turned out perfectly for Bond.
The plane chase was just goofy. The whole time I was thinking "What, exactly, is Bond going to accomplish here?" Luckily, everything turned out perfectly for Bond.
EDIT: I guess I should mention some stuff I actually liked about it:
-Hand to hand fighting was shot well enough. Nothing too fancy, but I appreciated being able to understand what was happening
-Train fight was great!
-All of the acting was great. Craig is Craig (same for Fiennes). Even though she was poorly written, Lea Seydoux did a great job at trying to portray a complex character. Kinda the same for Waltz--he just didn't have enough to do
-I like some of the quips. I can't remember many
(well, "now we know what C stands for" was great until "Careless"),
And God and what a waste of that torture device!
Actually drilling out Bond's ability to recognize faces is Interesting! Because his whole thing is he just uses people! Babes are just slam pieces, blokes are just targets. It's like a metaphor or something!
But then... ok so. The machine did its thing. He didn't interrupt it, it completed its sequence. But it just... didn't work? Just because? That Firefly movie at least had a good joke about dude having previously injured some nerve cluster dude tried to pressure-point. If we don't explain why the machine failed, all we've accomplished with that whole thing is to make Blofield less credible.
But then... ok so. The machine did its thing. He didn't interrupt it, it completed its sequence. But it just... didn't work? Just because? That Firefly movie at least had a good joke about dude having previously injured some nerve cluster dude tried to pressure-point. If we don't explain why the machine failed, all we've accomplished with that whole thing is to make Blofield less credible.
Anton Sugar
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Also, was anyone else perplexed by how they hook
Felt like they weren't even aware of that.
Ummmm, did you not notice the
Bond up to a "Smart Blood" tracking device and took the time to explain what it was? They even had an X-ray showing the tracking chip. That scene was lifted straight from CR and I was absolutely puzzled that they didn't have Bond play up how he was used to these situations.
Ummmm, did you not notice the
strong and totally well-developed bond of love between Madelin and Bond? HOW COULD HE FORGET A FACE LIKE HERS
Other than clumsily CGI-ing Craig and Rapace's heads on the stunt bikers on top of the Istanbul bazaar, it was a decently done intro.
80s Bad Guy
Banned
To me this felt like they tried to wrap a nice bow around this iteration of Bond by following a modern but safe by-the-numbers Bond template without really earning it. Felt like two movies crammed into one. Like damn girl, you wear your heart on your sleeve. And it's good everyone packed three emergency packs of expensive fashionable clothes. Whew.
I really liked it overall. Feels like the end for Craig to me though.
I really liked it overall. Feels like the end for Craig to me though.
since when was silva a member of spectre? There is no mention of that other than blowfield saying it was him, okey i'm sold. Let's say you're right, that doesn't explain the other convoluted nonsense.
the train was cgi also
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I'll watch this on Monday, but I'm thinking they should have saved Waltz for a fifth film,
, and have Moriarty be the main villain.
change the garbage twist
Skyfall's opener was dampened for me by way too many cuts. Funny how this movie went the complete other way there.
Since now.
I'm not saying there isn't a retcon involved -- obviously there is -- I'm saying your reading of that bit of monolgue is wrong.
WarrenMax007
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Watched it tonight.
Opening scene is spectacular. Gunbarrel, then that amazing long take, which is not really one take as i later learned, but it's doesn't matter. It's just amazing. And then Bond theme kicks in. I was fucking in.
And then it's just downhill from there.
Action was good, nothing mindblowing but good. Craig is good. Waltz is underused. Seydux is ok. Liked Finnes.
Monica Belucci
Secomd half was really meh.
Overall i would give it 7/10. Above average, with some good scenes, but as a whole it's not that good.
Opening scene is spectacular. Gunbarrel, then that amazing long take, which is not really one take as i later learned, but it's doesn't matter. It's just amazing. And then Bond theme kicks in. I was fucking in.
And then it's just downhill from there.
Action was good, nothing mindblowing but good. Craig is good. Waltz is underused. Seydux is ok. Liked Finnes.
Monica Belucci
has like 5 minutes of screentime. It was a very weird moment. "So your husband just died and there's two bodies in your backyard, wanna fuck"?
Overall i would give it 7/10. Above average, with some good scenes, but as a whole it's not that good.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
done.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
he'll be back.
The franchise is dead.
Fancy Clown
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Seeing this tomorrow. Pretty excited tbh, Bond films are always feel like an event for me regardless of the impressions.
TheTurboFD
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I liked it, I think calling it the worst bond movie in years is pretty hyperbolic. I'm not even sure how RT rated it lower than QoS.
I'd rank Daniel Craigs movies
Casino Royale >> Skyfall >>Spectre >> QoS
Also what did you guys think of Sam Smith's intro song? I didn't think it fit for a bond song. I loved Adele's cover of skyfall and wished they would have brought her back. Sam Smith's song isn't bad though.
I'd rank Daniel Craigs movies
Casino Royale >> Skyfall >>Spectre >> QoS
Also what did you guys think of Sam Smith's intro song? I didn't think it fit for a bond song. I loved Adele's cover of skyfall and wished they would have brought her back. Sam Smith's song isn't bad though.
Zeyphersan
Banned
The 62% on RT is really scaring me, considering QoS is 65% and I really hate that movie
I believe that was A View to a Kill? By the end of that chase the car is in half and still going.
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