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[Nvzman]

I abandoned the video eventually because the dude likes the sound of his own voice a little too much for my taste but I bet he doesn't even address how Joe Rogan who is admittedly mid af as a comedian became this unstoppable force. By the mid to late 2010s his pretentious kind had alienated most comedians by trying to ban certain jokes they didn't like, cancel comedians that were too edgy for their strict standards while promoting shockingly unfunny comedians like Amy Schumer, so people like Joe Rogan saw a power vacuum and exploited it. Rogan would never become what he is now if liberals hadn't become so fucking insufferable and self-sabotaged all the institutions they had co-opted and tbh I'll take Joe Rogan and his buddies' mid comedy over the horrific Amy Schumer slop the other side was trying to promote

Of course because I couldn't watch the full video I'm making assumptions here and the video might address all that so please correct me if I'm wrong

Yea, full disclosure, I don't give a shit about Rogan and I think literally the ONLY funny episodes he has are with Joey Diaz, but the amount of hate he generates just for being a popular podcaster is absurd. He's not openly picking slapfights, he's not really saying anything hateful or hurtful, to be honest he's an incredibly bland host. But I think that's partially the point, he's just trying to have a wide variety of guests on from different backgrounds to give them time to speak.

I've never heard his comedy but I'm positive it probably sucks to me just because nothing I've heard about it sounds like my kind of humor. But whenever the "he gives a platform to undesirables" argument comes up, I know its coming from some pseudo-intellectual dunce who probably uses the word "chud" unironically. Wow, you mean he's letting an actual diverse group of people come on the podcast and not just a bunch of douchey college kids/professors or milquetoast stale bread celebrities on? Joe himself doesn't even agree with most of the bullshit his guests say, he just enjoys hearing the conversation, and I think thats the entire point of the podcast, its to be entertaining conversation.

I at least appreciate newer comedians trying to bring back some edge to comedy, because it really is true that the late 00s/2010s comedians were fucking insufferable, douchey, preachy, unfunny hacks. Amy Schumer was trying to push the feminist angle by saying legitimately disgusting (not in a funny way either) crap, and a lot of late night comedy hosts were just running full swing with the very partisan, extremely condescending humor. Its cool to make fun of old conservative Christian white people because they're racist, out of touch, and hate Obama, who is definitely a cool dude, but don't you dare make fun of anything else! Thats not cool bro!

The only people I know who unironically think crap like Colbert, Trevor Noah, John Oliver, or Sarah Silverman were funny were the type of people in college who actually thought that just going to college and having a degree automatically made them more intelligent than those who did not. Because they were the type of people blindly listening to their professors (who were just as flawed as them) and taking everything they said as direct fact instead of actually using their minds and doing the research and questioning what they are being taught. Thats exactly what I feel like that audience was at the time, and now with Rogan (and some other fringe comedians like Sam Hyde) being very much built upon conspiracy and edgy humor, its a direct counter to that way of thinking, and I think it drives some people up the wall at how "hateful and dangerous it is". As in, they feel offended. And thats what comedy should be doing! Even if its not exactly my type of humor, I support that much more than every comedian doing a shitty job aping George Carlin.

 

[jason10mm]

Goddamn, so he is a schizo, did the previous videos have this unhinged ranting tone in them or is he getting worse? Because if he is someone needs to alert Rogan's security team, the next video might not be a youtube one

Oh, I'm sure the former SEALs on his team are well aware of this guy.

 

[Boo Who?]

Is this YT channel the Liver King's alt account?

 

[Mistake]

Comedy is directly proportionate to the amount of fucks you have. Bill Burr is the perfect example. Before his wife and kids, almost no fucks. Now he's a bitch.

Rogan I feel still falls in the middle. He will apologize when he feels he did something wrong, but he also doesn't hold back when he needs to let loose. I'd like to see his more private stand up performances someday and get a better gauge on it. From what he's said, him and his comedian friends get a lot more raunchy in person

 

[P:axMagellanic]

It's a tragedy that patrice isn't around to absolutely belittle and take the piss out of the lot of them.

 

[Wimbledon]

This video is fuckin amazing. Took me 2 or 3 days to watch it fully but it was worth it.

Saw this yesterday really eye opening stuff made me reconfirm my stance a lot on the political landscape. Made me realize even more where were headed, found a great article on it https://harmoniousdiscourse.substack.com/p/the-new-fascist-international-technocratic

His take on Joe was amazing and how people will become part of a cult following and will ignore any negative things about a person or whom they associate with EVEN if the person is a horrible human being. Even if you agree with that stance it doesn't dismiss who they are morally.

The take Elon was perfect. I loved what i saw made more centrist, i did lean right but this presidency and how it's been handled. How alot of the right has became more tone deaf to certain things has been questionable I don't like what im seeing. Seeing that on display with rogan with friends and how they deal any criticsm or how they weaponize their position it was great seeing that break down. Or how Joe is being used by these very powerful controversial individuals, and his cult following eats it up.

Showed colleagues at work that video some of the best discussion i had in along time, about the state of things.

 

[Grildon Tundy]

The only people I know who unironically think crap like Colbert, Trevor Noah, John Oliver, or Sarah Silverman were funny were the type of people in college who actually thought that just going to college and having a degree automatically made them more intelligent than those who did not. Because they were the type of people blindly listening to their professors (who were just as flawed as them) and taking everything they said as direct fact instead of actually using their minds and doing the research and questioning what they are being taught.

This was literally me. Imagine my level of disillusionment after entering the workforce and getting more real-world experience.

 

[Sushi_Combo]

His videos are masterful.

 

[Nvzman]

Saw this yesterday really eye opening stuff made me reconfirm my stance a lot on the political landscape. Made me realize even more where were headed, found a great article on it https://harmoniousdiscourse.substack.com/p/the-new-fascist-international-technocratic

This article is complete drivel, I'm sorry. What a waste of words to argue such an incredibly disingenuous and loaded article without almost ANY citated evidence of anything the writer is accusing of.

Again, this is what I'm talking about with the "people blindly listening to their professors (who were just as flawed as them) and taking everything they said as direct fact instead of actually using their minds and doing the research and questioning what they are being taught". This article is desperately trying to come off as so intelligent and astute, but it reads like all the writer did was read some Vox articles about fascism obsessively and never once researched anything beyond that.

Elon Musk is a complete ass and I have no sympathy for him, but him having administrative control over X content is no different from how Jack Dorsey handled Twitter prior, how Zuckerberg handles Facebook/Instagram, or any of that bullshit. Hell, with the logic this article employs, the other Reee website is a complete Hitler-style return to facism. Its called moderation and all social media platforms go through the exact same thing. I also find it extremely ignorant when articles like this pop up trying to tie the facism angle with Musk, Trump, and Rogan, when Zuckerberg himself has said the previous administration was actually screaming and cursing at him to censor information that wasn't even incorrect. How on Earth is THIS not information control that borders on authoritarian? Its only okay when one political party does it? Its the easiest way to tell the type of writer at helm with the piece, its just partisan bullshit from people suffering from a severe cases of lack of self-awareness. Puff piece crap. Its amusing too because MSNBC's home page looks just like this:

Literally every single article has a headline that reads more like an opinion piece than actual unbiased content. And this is supposed to be a major news source. Then you have the blinded dummies going "well these headlines wouldn't be so negative if he wasn't so evil!", not realizing that this is exactly how the media has treated anyone that isn't favorable to their donors since the dawn of time. Its an endless loop of believing one side is evil and the other is good.

The idea that this is media fascism because Musk is peddling certain bias on his website and Rogan has a lot of different guests on is fucking moronic considering the opposite side of the fence has been doing this shit for like 40+ years now, its just ramped up significantly in the past 15 or so years.

 

[Wimbledon]

This article is complete drivel, I'm sorry. What a waste of words to argue such an incredibly disingenuous and loaded article without almost ANY citated evidence of anything the writer is accusing of.

Again, this is what I'm talking about with the "people blindly listening to their professors (who were just as flawed as them) and taking everything they said as direct fact instead of actually using their minds and doing the research and questioning what they are being taught". This article is desperately trying to come off as so intelligent and astute, but it reads like all the writer did was read some Vox articles about fascism obsessively and never once researched anything beyond that.

Elon Musk is a complete ass and I have no sympathy for him, but him having administrative control over X content is no different from how Jack Dorsey handled Twitter prior, how Zuckerberg handles Facebook/Instagram, or any of that bullshit. Hell, with the logic this article employs, the other Reee website is a complete Hitler-style return to facism. Its called moderation and all social media platforms go through the exact same thing. I also find it extremely ignorant when articles like this pop up trying to tie the facism angle with Musk, Trump, and Rogan, when Zuckerberg himself has said the previous administration was actually screaming and cursing at him to censor information that wasn't even incorrect. How on Earth is THIS not information control that borders on authoritarian? Its only okay when one political party does it? Its the easiest way to tell the type of writer at helm with the piece, its just partisan bullshit from people suffering from a severe cases of lack of self-awareness. Puff piece crap. Its amusing too because MSNBC's home page looks just like this:

Literally every single article has a headline that reads more like an opinion piece than actual unbiased content. And this is supposed to be a major news source. Then you have the blinded dummies going "well these headlines wouldn't be so negative if he wasn't so evil!", not realizing that this is exactly how the media has treated anyone that isn't favorable to their donors since the dawn of time. Its an endless loop of believing one side is evil and the other is good.

The idea that this is media fascism because Musk is peddling certain bias on his website and Rogan has a lot of different guests on is fucking moronic considering the opposite side of the fence has been doing this shit for like 40+ years now, its just ramped up significantly in the past 15 or so years.

I think the article paints a great picture of where I believe things are heading, (This isn't sole news source i use) it's piggy backing off that video. Also I don't believe its just ONE side of the aisle that's the problem, i believe both sides are leading toward the same result , i just think this current presidency seems to be accelerating that.

I don't think its moronic i think you need to have some level of discernment about who you give a platform too and Joe has a massive reach. I also do think its more of a problem when you do see the podcast space, that more or less surrounds Rogan. like the Nelk boys giving Benjamin Netanyahu to speak on there podcast the man heading a genocide i would speak more on that but i dont want to get banned. another example Peter theil on Jordan peterson and Rogan podcast etc.

Thats actually the reason why i stopped watching Rogan because hes bringing on these powerful individuals and not really checking them but trying to humanize these individuals. Who i don't believe are geninune or good but your giving them access to your fanbase which i do believes plays in how things are ramping up for the worst.

 

[Nvzman]

I think the article paints a great picture of where I believe things are heading, (This isn't sole news source i use) it's piggy backing off that video. Also I don't believe its just ONE side of the aisle that's the problem, i believe both sides are leading toward the same result , i just think this current presidency seems to be accelerating that.

I don't think its moronic i think you need to have some level of discernment about who you give a platform too. I also do think its more of a problem when you do see the podcast space, that more or less surrounds Rogan. like the Nelk boys giving Benjamin Netanyahu to speak on there podcast the man heading a genocide i would speak more on that but i dont want to get banned. another example Peter theil on Jordan peterson and Rogan podcast etc.

Thats actually the reason why i stopped watching Rogan because hes bringing on these powerful individuals and not really checking them but trying to humanize these individuals. Who i don't believe are geninune or good but your giving them access to your fanbase which i do believes plays in how things are ramping up for the worst.

Your own gif answered your own reply. Its not even that I agree or disagree with your opinion of Netanyahu or anything but the entire idea that certain people are not allowed to be platformed because of their beliefs, ideas, or even actions is exactly what I meant in my post. Thats inherently much more authoritarian and wrong than you realize, because reality is more gray than just "this man is doing something that I believe is wrong and therefore is not allowed to have a voice". One sentence about someone is not enough to describe and paint the full picture. If anything, the article is a great picture of everything wrong with what you are saying. There is nothing wrong with humanizing someone, because we are all people at the end of the day with our own thoughts, desires, and wishes. What matters is your interpretation and using your best judgement to avoid taking bad advice, bad thoughts, or being with bad people.

This is exactly why Rogan blew up in popularity. Do you seriously think he agrees with Alex Jones? Of course not. He's not having him on there to convince anyone that Alex Jones is right either, thats exactly where your (and the article's) line of thinking is completely wrong. He's having a conversation just to give you the perspective of what someone like that thinks, and there is nothing wrong with that. Also, its because its fucking hilarious to watch Alex wig out on camera.

I quite distinctly remember when the conservative religious "proper" groups in the 90s/early 00s would constantly cry for shows with offensive content like South Park and Family Guy to be taken off the air because the content was considered influential or harmful to people, and most people completely laughed at the protesting because it was a parenting and perception problem, not a content problem. This is more or less the same thing. The problem here is people thinking that just for having someone who has done something wrong or said something harmful on a show, that inherently equates to endorsement of said issues. It doesn't, and most people watching it do not think its an endorsement either. Stop trying to dictate who can and who can't speak, thats actual fascism. End of story.

 

[drotahorror]

It's a brilliant video, truly. I watched it a couple days ago. Really well done, thoughtful and also fucking hilarious. Recommend all the Rogan videos from this guy's channel before you get to this one as this is his Magnum Opus. He also has a good one shitting on Seinfeld that is a must watch.

Watched the Seinfeld one yesterday. So good.

 

[Wimbledon]

Your own gif answered your own reply. Its not even that I agree or disagree with your opinion of Netanyahu or anything but the entire idea that certain people are not allowed to be platformed because of their beliefs, ideas, or even actions is exactly what I meant in my post. Thats inherently much more authoritarian and wrong than you realize, because reality is more gray than just "this man is doing something that I believe is wrong and therefore is not allowed to have a voice". One sentence about someone is not enough to describe and paint the full picture. If anything, the article is a great picture of everything wrong with what you are saying. There is nothing wrong with humanizing someone, because we are all people at the end of the day with our own thoughts, desires, and wishes. What matters is your interpretation and using your best judgement to avoid taking bad advice, bad thoughts, or being with bad people.

This is exactly why Rogan blew up in popularity. Do you seriously think he agrees with Alex Jones? Of course not. He's not having him on there to convince anyone that Alex Jones is right either, thats exactly where your (and the article's) line of thinking is completely wrong. He's having a conversation just to give you the perspective of what someone like that thinks, and there is nothing wrong with that. Also, its because its fucking hilarious to watch Alex wig out on camera.

I quite distinctly remember when the conservative religious "proper" groups in the 90s/early 00s would constantly cry for shows with offensive content like South Park and Family Guy to be taken off the air because the content was considered influential or harmful to people, and most people completely laughed at the protesting because it was a parenting and perception problem, not a content problem. This is more or less the same thing. The problem here is people thinking that just for having someone who has done something wrong or said something harmful on a show, that inherently equates to endorsement of said issues. It doesn't, and most people watching it do not think its an endorsement either. Stop trying to dictate who can and who can't speak, thats actual fascism. End of story.

1. I believe an individual needs to have a level of Discernment about who they let on their platform. I just need to clarify this , everyone has a voice and everyone is allowed a platform but i don't agree that everyone deserves to have a platform because i do think they're many people who are net negatives on society. i'm not saying it need to be written in law, because i'm for free speech. But i also think it's important to recognize volatile or controversial individuals can lie, and also badly influence people who don't know any better, and because of such reach can change social dynamics for the worst.

2. I'm sorry but i disagree with the humanizing part IF your not checking them. Especially individuals who are actively involved in controversial or questionable acts....if your simply going to gloss over that just to have an interview with them. I'm sorry but I think that's incredibly naive, your better off not having the interview. I think good and evil exist, and i think having the ability to see through that guise is an important thing. I do agree on building your interpretation of that individual yourself...IF the conversation is genuine and not because he's sponsoring you.

3. Do you know if he agrees with Alex Jones? I don't know what joe believes , more than you do were not inside his head. I do know his position changes every presdiency but i also think Joe is more or less being used, and i think he's fine with that as long as he gets money. I don't think he's a good individual not in the sense of like he's just straight EVIL but Elephant Graveyard does a good job of my perspective largely on him at least in the comedian sphere. I don't think he takes into account really who he's bringing on and I think that's problem.....and thats why i stopped watching. I'm not saying he should be deplatformed , i saw how he changed i didn't agree and i stopped watching. I think thats a fair take, and i think people who voice their concern or animosity toward his platform and many others are also justified in their take.

4. Thats your opinion and if you want to make that comparison thats fine, i dont agree. As far at the endorsement he is sponsored by these indivudals(LOL) Pelantir sponsors him. He also had trump on his pod and went to his show/gala whatever. its no different from a videogame journalist getting paid to give a game great reviews and being flown out and being wined and dined, yes he is being influenced and for the worst. IF telling people to be more educated and cognisant about who your bringing on, and the effect it can have on your audience , if that is what you consider facism than dude we can just end the conversation.

You have a good day.

 

[SmokedMeat]

They're all hilarious, but they can't hold a candle to the prophetic, George Carlin. The Man was ahead of his damned time and he should have lasted until 200.

George Carlin was incredible. We saw him around 2002 in Vegas. I've grown to appreciate him so much more.