There are great musics in Type-0 HD, I won't deny that. I've said The Beginning of the End, Vermillon Fire. I can add The White Weapon and Tempus Bellum for example. But a lot of them such as Recapture, Breaking Through, Depth of Naraku are annoying for me. When you're going to the next zone, the music is resetted and doesn't loop. I guess it influenced.
Nobuo Uematsu won't be working on the Final Fantasy VII Remake
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There are great musics in Type-0 HD, I won't deny that. I've said The Beginning of the End, Vermillon Fire. I can add The White Weapon and Tempus Bellum for example. But a lot of them such as Recapture, Breaking Through, Depth of Naraku are annoying for me. When you're going to the next zone, the music is resetted and doesn't loop. I guess it influenced.
ackl
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Yup, it's true....sort of.
— Were you present at the conference when it was announced?
Nomura: I was there. There was a separate place for staff, and I was alone there, watching the announcements unfold… When I heard the cheering, my hands started to shake.
http://sqex.info/nomura-talks-ffvii-remake-post-e3-2015/
I guess I can point out two things which aren't exactly a secret but people tend to overlook:
- "Arrangement" doesn't automatically mean "orchestral" even in a modern context, especially in Japan (Look at XIII's soundtrack).
- Even back in the day, Uematsu's stuff incl. FF soundtracks had arrangers. They just aren't as widely known or in public mindshare. Everyone from synthesizer operators up to Shiro Hamaguchi arranging most of the live orchestral stuff (Liberi Fatali, orchestrated endings/credits, etc). Nowadays, a lot of his stuff is arranged by Tsutomu Narita (an awesome composer in his own right) who's still with Uematsu and is in Earthbound Papas.
- "Arrangement" doesn't automatically mean "orchestral" even in a modern context, especially in Japan (Look at XIII's soundtrack).
- Even back in the day, Uematsu's stuff incl. FF soundtracks had arrangers. They just aren't as widely known or in public mindshare. Everyone from synthesizer operators up to Shiro Hamaguchi arranging most of the live orchestral stuff (Liberi Fatali, orchestrated endings/credits, etc). Nowadays, a lot of his stuff is arranged by Tsutomu Narita (an awesome composer in his own right) who's still with Uematsu and is in Earthbound Papas.
Meccanical
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He doesn't really know what hes talking about.
ArkhamFantasy
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I wish he could have been on stage.
a secret-boss
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just advent children it and put guitar rifts on all those classics. Maybe even some dub-step
AcademicSaucer
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Man, cant wait to play this in my PS5
The12thGripper
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Please no
Sad news. 
The simple yet memorable themes from FF7 are part of why I love it so much. The original music did an excellent job setting the tone and atmosphere for the entire game. I'm sure they'll put someone competent in charge but damn, I hope you know what you're doing Square.
The simple yet memorable themes from FF7 are part of why I love it so much. The original music did an excellent job setting the tone and atmosphere for the entire game. I'm sure they'll put someone competent in charge but damn, I hope you know what you're doing Square.CelticVegas
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Ooooh no this is not good. I want my Uematsu dose. I neeeed it...
Edit: i hope we get the original songs anyway. Without them it wouldn't be a proper FFVII remake.
Edit: i hope we get the original songs anyway. Without them it wouldn't be a proper FFVII remake.
Meccanical
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Sad news.
You act like the original music is going to fly away somewhere.
anothertech
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There is no need. The original compositions are God tier, they only need to be re mixed and updated with a remaster composition.
It doesn't take a Godly composer for that. He already did his part.
It doesn't take a Godly composer for that. He already did his part.
But the synths in that track are just emulating real instruments anyway. Most notably: mandolin (or something similar), bells, flute, drums, upright bass, and harp.
I totally get keeping synths for tracks with an electronic sound, but if it's just trying to emulate actual instruments, it will almost certainly sound better with the actual instruments.
Unfortunately I doubt Square will take such a respectful approach, seeing as they're willing to axe turn-based battles, but in an ideal world remakes would try to stick as close to the original intention as possible. And it's clear Uematsu had live instruments in mind when he wrote that piece.
The Last One
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SE is always spot on choosing composers for their games, so I wouldn't worry about this.
No I don't?
Meccanical
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Just FYI Sakaguchi didn't direct FF7.
ArkhamFantasy
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Yup. There's two things you shouldnt worry about with SE japanese games. Music and graphics.
Meccanical
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hosannainexcelsis
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The irony in all this angst is that the synth for Final Fantasy VII's soundtrack is quite bad and overall it's Uematsu's weakest effort on PS1. It's hardly some sacred object which it would be sacrilege to touch. The VIII and IX soundtracks were considerable improvements.
No, that's not the case at all. Remakes should have the freedom to change things rather than be constrained by a slavish adherence to the original. Otherwise why make a new version at all?
No, that's not the case at all. Remakes should have the freedom to change things rather than be constrained by a slavish adherence to the original. Otherwise why make a new version at all?
Paracelsus
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I hope it's not Ishimoto, anybody you want but Ishimoto.
entremet
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I actually like the synth recreation.
I used to be all about real instruments, but I've grown to love synth.
GregLombardi
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Typical square enix- recognize one of your most important titles ever and remake it but forget all the things that made it great, ignoring the prodigy under your roof
Honestly speaking, i feel Uematsu's best years are far behind him by now.
The last TRULY great soundtrack of his was FFIX. There's been great works since then, but nothing that would really stand over Shimomura's, Soken's, or Hamauzu's works.
In particular, while he did Dragonsong for Heavensward, the entire score by Soken is beyond amazing.
And even then, Dragonsong isn't really a Uematsu track in the sense that Terra's Theme, Still More Fightning, Crossing Those Hills or To Zanarkand ever were.
The last TRULY great soundtrack of his was FFIX. There's been great works since then, but nothing that would really stand over Shimomura's, Soken's, or Hamauzu's works.
In particular, while he did Dragonsong for Heavensward, the entire score by Soken is beyond amazing.
And even then, Dragonsong isn't really a Uematsu track in the sense that Terra's Theme, Still More Fightning, Crossing Those Hills or To Zanarkand ever were.
Also JFYI many composers worked/are working with SE despite being 'no longer at SE'.
Hamauzu, Shimomura just off top of head.
Talk about a double whammy post hahahah.
jesus
Honest question: are you being serious? Plenty of real time action oriented RPGs are incredible.
Meccanical
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Change creates fear, and fear breeds contempt.
BotchPoppaPump
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The reveal trailer music was nicely done. Don't see why the rest of the original score won't receive the same treatment.
Its a shame though, Uematsu was a HUGE part of what FF was for me back in the day, 7 in particular.
Its a shame though, Uematsu was a HUGE part of what FF was for me back in the day, 7 in particular.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
There's nothing wrong with a real time battle system that's done well, Bayonetta is one of my fave series.
The PROBLEM is with Square-Enix taking out everything that was loved about the original game. People loved mixing and matching Materia and the synth tracks are still so memorable to this day. The battle system is being replaced. The music is being replaced. Who the hell knows what they'll do to the story at this point, they'll probably shoe horn Genesis in *barf*. Most fans just wanted the original game spruced up with a better translation, maybe a few extra scenes, and gorgeous new graphics. With all the changes they are making, might as well just make a new game.
Ugh, to think Square used to be king of this genre
Meccanical
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There's nothing wrong with a real time battle system that's done well, Bayonetta is one of my fave series.
The PROBLEM is with Square-Enix taking out everything that was loved about the original game. People loved mixing and matching Materia and the synth tracks are still so memorable to this day. The battle system is being replaced. The music is being replaced. Who the hell knows what they'll do to the story at this point, they'll probably shoe horn Genesis in *barf*. Most fans just wanted the original game spruced up with a better translation, maybe a few extra scenes, and gorgeous new graphics. With all the changes they are making, might as well just make a new game.
Ugh, to think Square used to be king of this genre
No, the music isn't being replaced at all. Square Enix are, in a 2015 project, using the exact same PSX sequencer data from 1997 and keep it sounding exactly the same. Dinkledonks to go alongside dark gritty realistic-proportioned re-imagined 3D cutscenes.
It's going to 100% match up in terms of aesthetic. I guarantee you.
hurr
DiipuSurotu
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Uematsu didn't arrange The Black Mages.
Nor The Black Mages II.
Nor The Black Mages III.
I think Hamauzu's experience working with Uematsu on a few games, coupled with his experience arranging a lot of the PSOne games (also some of Uematsu's music as well!) he worked on for modern ensembles and formats makes him the best choice for the arrangement duties on this title.
The people clamoring for Shimomura I think don't really have a good grasp on her orchestration/arrangment history at all. She wouldn't really be a good fit for the project at all, not to mention her style.
ArkhamFantasy
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They never said they were taking out materia or the music, and they already said the story would be the same except with some added stuff.
IIRC they did FFX together.
p.s. Hamauzu is doing World of Final Fantasy currently \o/
SolidSnakex
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Which looks absolutely fantastic!
KillerMan91
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If Square nails one thing in their games always it's the music ( I actually think XIII trilogy has the best music in whole series and it doesn't have Uematsu). I am not bothered.
KyanMehwulfe
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btw is there any update on when that re-release of the original FF VII port (the new one based on the steam version i guess, not the psone classic version) is supposed to come out on PS4?
really want to play that but there never seems to be a concrete date
really want to play that but there never seems to be a concrete date
Meccanical
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Well I'm sure they already got somebody, like I said, any arranger will do.
The music is more important than the name attached to it.
The music is more important than the name attached to it.
GoldandBlue
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Hasn't this been the case with the FF3/4 remake too? Didn't some other composer rearrange his work for those?
ArkhamFantasy
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All they will say is that its winter this year.
FFIII - Tsuyoshi Sekito, Keiji Kawamori and one track arranged by Yasuhiro Yamanaka
FFIV - Junya Nakano, Kenichiro Fukui
Not really surprising considering he's never orchestrated anything himself, to my knowledge. He hasn't even arranged most of his own work for the last 10 years+, too.
He's a composer first and foremost, so his work is done here. I have no doubt S-E will put very talented people on this, music is very rarely an issue for them
If I'd have to be picky, I'd rather they not choose Ishimoto though. I loved his work on TWEWY and Type-0, but he never was a good fit for the FFVII universe IMO. Neither was Hamauzu (Dirge of Cerberus), and that's coming from one of his biggest fans.
He's a composer first and foremost, so his work is done here. I have no doubt S-E will put very talented people on this, music is very rarely an issue for them
If I'd have to be picky, I'd rather they not choose Ishimoto though. I loved his work on TWEWY and Type-0, but he never was a good fit for the FFVII universe IMO. Neither was Hamauzu (Dirge of Cerberus), and that's coming from one of his biggest fans.