BLM protesters at Dartmouth College storm library and yell at people
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djplaeskool
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Kid Kamikaze10
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And surely enough, this thread proves my point. A bunch of people aren't even willing to check if what was reported is what even happened in the video.
The original article that Breitbart et al sourced for their "reporting":
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...pen-at-the-protest/+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
For Page 2 peeps.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...pen-at-the-protest/+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
For Page 2 peeps.
NoblesseOblige
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You sure about that? Have you read this thread and the amount of people who just blindly allow the claims to be true because they conform to their already established ideas that BLM is wrong?
perfectchaos007
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Non-conservative source needed for corroboration
Evidence: kids shouting a slogan in the library.
Right wing fantasy: Cornered and helpless white co-eds. A snarling black mob screaming fuck white people.
#BLM is a protest so obviously they are going to annoy people. I find some of the #BLM stunts incredibly annoying. But I'm a 34 year old white male (privileged to the hilt naturally,) so me being annoyed is probably mission accomplished. Even though I find some of these stunts quite rude, there is no reason to believe any of these protesters are threatening. If the blind quotes had been more like, "she screamed about my privilege!" then sure, that's believable.
Right wing fantasy: Cornered and helpless white co-eds. A snarling black mob screaming fuck white people.
#BLM is a protest so obviously they are going to annoy people. I find some of the #BLM stunts incredibly annoying. But I'm a 34 year old white male (privileged to the hilt naturally,) so me being annoyed is probably mission accomplished. Even though I find some of these stunts quite rude, there is no reason to believe any of these protesters are threatening. If the blind quotes had been more like, "she screamed about my privilege!" then sure, that's believable.
metalslimer
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There's a difference between being disruptive and being straight up assholes with no real message besides white people suck. I support the BLM movement as a concept but this is horrendous if true
I also have to say if some people came and started yelling do I support black lives matter while I was studying I would be extremely pissed off.
I also have to say if some people came and started yelling do I support black lives matter while I was studying I would be extremely pissed off.
As far as I can tell, there is only one video and that is in the article.
Or the Shaun King thread
Veritigo_X
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Probably the same people tbh.
While being a campus paper isn't per se indicative of the veracity, the tone of the article does make me very hesitant to buy its claims.
Ziltoidia 9
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So much irony in this situation.
Also, it's not actually a campus newspaper and is unaffiliated officially with Dartmouth.
Mammoth Jones
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If conservative media would dogpile fringe cops when they do inappropriate shit the way they do when fringe BLM does inappropriate shit we wouldn't have much to protest about regarding the police...
This... is an unfortunate construction.
Muppet of a Man
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I think the underlying message behind BLM is one that requires immediate attention, but I was hoping that the people part of BLM would extend an invitation for people of other races to walk with them in furthering their cause instead of just venting their frustrations at them. Even if white students are benefiting from systemic racism, should they throw off all the privileges that they might not even recognize as such? I bet many of these white students view these things as basic rights that everyone should have protected rather than privileges (and in that context, I'd agree with them) and are actually horrified that their fellow students and citizens who happen to be black are denied from having them. But like many of those in the black community, I imagine much of white youth also feels powerless to change these things because the incumbents of power are so hard to displace and so entwined with every socioeconomic and political facet in this country. It seems very difficult (and thus is incredibly frustrating) to exercise any change, even when it seems like the majority of people actually want it.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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You really have to think about what the takeaway would be even if the allegations were true. If the allegations being true means that the BLM movement isn't legitimate to that person, they most likely weren't supportive of it anyways. My takeaway would be that the organization needs to more strictly control who is and is not a member, where members protest, how members conduct themselves while they protest, how funding will be raised to control their PR more carefully, and how they will begin laying the framework for getting legislation passed that makes BLM more than a slogan. I believe that the organization would benefit from that regardless of the veracity of these claims, just like it would've benefited OWS.
1:37 worth of video that didn't start that the beginning and didn't continue until the end is not really evidence of anything and could be used to imply a number of perspectives depending on the person who created it.
OrlanisWorks
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Indeed. Sketchy details for this article.
the good ol' "if i can discredit the messenger, i can discredit the message" strategy
its another strangely constructed exercise in connotation smuggling; seems like people think if they smear fringe activists claiming to be a part of a wider movement somehow that smear will wipe off onto the logical validity of the ideas being brought forth?
i will gladly sacrifice being able to argue "not all blm" if it means the right has to sacrifice "not all cops". because smearing the actions of a civil rights group doesn't somehow make the civil rights they argue for wrong, but pointing out the dangerous behavior of some cops and how it is enabled by the greater whole is in itself a valid argument because the topic IS the actions of the cops and how it is unacceptable
also, on a side note it amuses me how protesting college students are held to higher standards than law enforcement officers
its another strangely constructed exercise in connotation smuggling; seems like people think if they smear fringe activists claiming to be a part of a wider movement somehow that smear will wipe off onto the logical validity of the ideas being brought forth?
i will gladly sacrifice being able to argue "not all blm" if it means the right has to sacrifice "not all cops". because smearing the actions of a civil rights group doesn't somehow make the civil rights they argue for wrong, but pointing out the dangerous behavior of some cops and how it is enabled by the greater whole is in itself a valid argument because the topic IS the actions of the cops and how it is unacceptable
also, on a side note it amuses me how protesting college students are held to higher standards than law enforcement officers
You can still argue about what is seen on the video. Yelling in a library, flipping off the camera guy etc.
AnathemicOne
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I've read the article and watched the video and am aware there's a high potential of BS in the article sure. Still call them dumbasses for protesting at a campus library.
uncelestial
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Are you really starting threads based on Washington Times articles that only have taken-down Dartmouth Review articles for a source?
Jawbreaker
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Would it really be that surprising? Saying "fuck white people" or "kill whitey" has been more of a general attack against the State and oppression since those in power have been almost entirely white. Whether it's reprehensible despite the given context is another matter.
Gotdatmoney
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I have no issue with protesting in a library frankly. But you cant just get into aggressive and vulgar confrontation with people. You obviously just interupted their normal routines, they are gonna be pissed as hell. You have a responsibility however to remain calm collected and respectful in our speech.
Keep in mind that it wouldn't be the first time a video was edited to make people look bad. Remember Shirley Sherrod? Or the ACORN pimp tape? You can't even take video from these places at face value.
And_Gignac
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I wish more younger kids were able to understand how the privilege talk should not be abused or taken to its logical limit. Fascism is just a step away from that.
And yeah, BLM need to have a more cohesive leadership even when it shouldnt be a problem to understand that the whole group is not represented just by a small group of people doing/saying extreme stuff.
And yeah, BLM need to have a more cohesive leadership even when it shouldnt be a problem to understand that the whole group is not represented just by a small group of people doing/saying extreme stuff.
Video is pretty straightforward
entremet
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I meant more the stuff not corroborated by the video evidence such as stuff in the Washington Times (lol) article.
Protesting in the library is still shitty. I can't agree with that.
A Human Becoming
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Where should I go to learn more?
Tangentially relevant - but Simmons interviewing Obama - Obama opens up about his thought process, etc. Brings out some comments about Ferguson, Trayvon Martin, etc.
http://www.gq.com/story/president-obama-bill-simmons-interview-gq-men-of-the-year
http://www.gq.com/story/president-obama-bill-simmons-interview-gq-men-of-the-year
Naw, I'm going to go ahead and just trust this tape, ignoring the other comments attributed to BLM in the article til those are corroborated. The tape is fairly benign though.
I mean... where is the logical endpoint to this kind of thinking?
DerangedHermit
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The parallels from this thread to the Shaun King one are indeed quite awesome. Wouldn't surprise me much if it was the same people posting their suspect crap again.
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Ah, Slay already brought this up , oops :|
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Ah, Slay already brought this up , oops :|
AnathemicOne
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Darn studying students are the real enemy against minority oppression, fighting dat gewd fight.
Melkezadek
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Hierarchy doesn't happen easily in social movements, nor is it entirely necessary to achieve change. Charismatic leaders are there (like DeRay), but you'd probably need an MLK-like figure for the unity of message and behavior that some people are asking for.
But, usually when you hear about needing leaders and more organization, it's from people that can't be bothered to do the research about the tenets and behavior of the general membership. That's understandable, but don't expect people to react favorably to you, either.
But, usually when you hear about needing leaders and more organization, it's from people that can't be bothered to do the research about the tenets and behavior of the general membership. That's understandable, but don't expect people to react favorably to you, either.
The enemy is endemic to the American system and yes, that includes apathetic students in libraries purposefully ignoring the plight and protest of black America.
A few minutes of BLM chants isn't going to ruin their college careers.
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