A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
What a shitshow
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Dragon Ball Super |OT| 28 Episodes Later
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NeonZ
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That never happened. When the ritual failed with Videl there, no one turned into a SSJ. When the ritual worked with Videl, once it ended, everyone went back to normal at the same time. He did turn SSJ for the initial failed ritual though, when there weren't enough Saiyans. In the movie, although Videl didn't turn into a SSJ, she still had a golden aura. I think it's pretty clear that the SSJ state is tied to the ritual.
It wouldn't make sense for Gohan to confidently turn into a SSJ there after not using it for years, out of his own will, and then one year later wonder if he's able to turn into a SSJ by himself. The transformation in BoGs likely was tied to the ritual, and Super only made it even more obvious.
I mean it could all be a part of the Toei master plan to create artificial demand for the series to get more money out of Funimation
wow
I'd like to think this means Toei is gearing up for a Western release of some sort
but it's probably just Toei doing Toei shit
ArchedThunder
Banned
Hopefully they at least start a simulcast after the F arc, I can get by on the rest of the arc with RAWs and Kanzenshuu's episode summaries, but I REALLY want good subs when we get to the completely new stuff.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Have there been other instances of Toei shutting down fansubs before
Fuck.
I wonder if Dragon Team also got a C&D, and that's why they're over six weeks behind.
ArchedThunder
Banned
If they got a C&D their site would be down.
ArchedThunder
Banned
If they hadn't already decided that, their site and twitter have been dead for a month.
it would be so easy to solve all the inconsistencies regarding Gohan's powerup by just having a line by the Supreme Kai saying "the unlocking of Gohan's full potential was just temporal and was always gonna disappear later. i just thought this would be enough to defeat Buu".
it was some weird magic anyway.
it was some weird magic anyway.
TheAwesomePossum
Banned
Save for a few interesting upcoming episodes like episode 22, the same goes for me. I can survive with no subs until the new material. Then I really do hope FUNi starts simulcasting it.
Ok guys your perseverance was rewarded and you were right. Thanks for recommending skipping to episode 15. It does get better and less tedious. After finishing the most recent episode I feel they are implying reaching godhood level is technically achievable by anyone. You don't need special genes like being a Saiyin to get there. It does make it a lot easier.
Freeza Under The Shower
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or his absorption into Buu for that matter, since we never see him power up beyond that point. But Buu's internal magic ripped Vegito apart, so it would do a real number on mystic Gohan too.
Magic!
So like, has KamiFS gotten any better as of recent? I remember them being kind of awkward to read. They seem to be the next best bet since the two major groups subbing Super are dead. However Herms' tweets make it out that they're still fairly shitty.
God damn, I just wish FUNi was simulcasting this. Damn Toei.
God damn, I just wish FUNi was simulcasting this. Damn Toei.
I never understood why there's such a confusion over Gohan's mystic form; it's p clear the potential unleashing only put him on a state that does two things:
-unleash his potential, aka, make it like he never stopped training after Cell
-make his power up work like super saiyan, only without the bodily transformation and stress (after the ritual ends, he specifically asks how to use his power and he is told to do the super saiyan thing; his hair doesn't go golden)
after buu he immediately stopped training, and thus he quickly lost the potential-unleashedness, and as such, his power up is again super saiyan, which is basically a hack to get more powerful at the cost of body stress
so, after kid buu, it becomes impossible to gauge how powerful gohan is; his power level is continuously declining due to lack of training, ending with the scene where resurrected freeza can one punch him. But freeza had trained and become way more powerful and it is reasonable his base form is stronger too. As much as he depowers, it is hard to think that any super saiyan cannot defeat old freeza
-unleash his potential, aka, make it like he never stopped training after Cell
-make his power up work like super saiyan, only without the bodily transformation and stress (after the ritual ends, he specifically asks how to use his power and he is told to do the super saiyan thing; his hair doesn't go golden)
after buu he immediately stopped training, and thus he quickly lost the potential-unleashedness, and as such, his power up is again super saiyan, which is basically a hack to get more powerful at the cost of body stress
so, after kid buu, it becomes impossible to gauge how powerful gohan is; his power level is continuously declining due to lack of training, ending with the scene where resurrected freeza can one punch him. But freeza had trained and become way more powerful and it is reasonable his base form is stronger too. As much as he depowers, it is hard to think that any super saiyan cannot defeat old freeza
LordOfChaos
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I'm not stopping after having put up with all the slowness and inconsistency up till now, when all the cool crap supposedly starts saga after this one (which should end by month end I hear? or was it in another 30 days from the start?).
I'm sure people will keep putting translations on kat.ph and everywhere else, just the bigger more known teams are gone. We may see a decline in quality, which sucks.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I really think its just you. The dragonballs isn't just something created exclusively for them to grant their wishes. Its also meant for the rest of the world and the people too.
Just because they can sense the energy doesnt necessary mean they know where it is coming from.
And ginyu was brought to earth with the rest of the namekians back then
clay_ghost
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Tien mistaken/misread the the Birthday LUNCH invitation as Luanch invitation
LordOfChaos
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It seems their use i split between evil and wishing back dead people. When does the average joe use them to benefit humanity other than making them not dead?
I find myself wondering what kind of in-universe higher power built such a flawed system. And by the same train of thought, why there are built in cheat codes like the Saiyan god ritual.
Did anyone else actually think the Mystic powerup that Gohan (and perhaps unlocking potiential from Grand Elder Guru that both he and Krillin got, though Dende's might refute that one) received weren't actually true power ups at all, but just placebo or mind trick?
Because they both were the type never to believed in themselves, Old Kai just tricked them or unblocked the emotions/beliefs that were holding them back.
Because they both were the type never to believed in themselves, Old Kai just tricked them or unblocked the emotions/beliefs that were holding them back.
No way. Buu would have ravaged Gohan otherwise.
The Frieza arc isn't going to only be like 3 episodes, lol. Of course it's going to probably be over a month, likely even more given the BoG and extra filler episodes took 19 episodes/weeks.
The decline in quality is basically google translate subs. As I've said before, "I'd rather not watch those."
Nya it won't be that long, episode 26 will surely be the Champa meeting and the start of Universe 6 arc. Episode 27 new OP visuals, new ending etc.
NeonZ
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Kai didn't have opening changes after 26 episodes. Even if there's an opening change, they can just partially change it later, like what we just got with the 1st opening. We know that they're expanding the Shisami/Tagoma battle, so there's no way it's ending by that point.
I don't think there's any doubt that the power up was originally intended to work like that. However, when you look at the modern movies, you'd think that if the power up had been lost, something would have been said about it. Both the movies and Super show Gohan attempting to fight with just the ultimate power up against Beerus. Then, comes the movie version of RoF, we just get Gohan wondering about whether he can go SSJ, nothing about losing his unlocked potential. If the idea was that Gohan had dropped so much to the point that he is unsure about his SSJ form, you'd think they'd have mentioned that he lost his unlocked potential.
There's also Toriyama's script annotations in RoF. For the big grunt battle, where Gohan was in base, Toriyama left notes to the staff that was going to animate it notes saying that Gohan is the strongest out of the group there, and Piccolo is the one after him. Some people argue that it might have been talking about Gohan's power in general, including SSJ1 or 2, but that doesn't make sense considering the intention of that description, which was giving the animators instructions for the grunt battle where Gohan would be in base. The scene where he goes SSJ against Shisami is more specific and listed afterwards, separate from the generic grunts.
Like I've said before, I still think the Super version of RoF will make this clearer one way or another. The main issue with all this is that we basically only get that one line of exposition about Gohan's current situation. However, considering how they seem to be expanding Tagoma's role and battle (although where's Shisami in the next episode descriptions?), we probably are going to get better insight into Gohan's current power too, since he's the one that beats him.
I don't think there's any doubt that the power up was originally intended to work like that. However, when you look at the modern movies, you'd think that if the power up had been lost, something would have been said about it. Both the movies and Super show Gohan attempting to fight with just the ultimate power up against Beerus. Then, comes the movie version of RoF, we just get Gohan wondering about whether he can go SSJ, nothing about losing his unlocked potential. If the idea was that Gohan had dropped so much to the point that he is unsure about his SSJ form, you'd think they'd have mentioned that he lost his unlocked potential.
There's also Toriyama's script annotations in RoF. For the big grunt battle, where Gohan was in base, Toriyama left notes to the staff that was going to animate it notes saying that Gohan is the strongest out of the group there, and Piccolo is the one after him. Some people argue that it might have been talking about Gohan's power in general, including SSJ1 or 2, but that doesn't make sense considering the intention of that description, which was giving the animators instructions for the grunt battle where Gohan would be in base. The scene where he goes SSJ against Shisami is more specific and listed afterwards, separate from the generic grunts.
Like I've said before, I still think the Super version of RoF will make this clearer one way or another. The main issue with all this is that we basically only get that one line of exposition about Gohan's current situation. However, considering how they seem to be expanding Tagoma's role and battle (although where's Shisami in the next episode descriptions?), we probably are going to get better insight into Gohan's current power too, since he's the one that beats him.
That's way too optimistic. Battle of Gods was 12 episodes (3-14) and it only had a one minor fight and one major fight in it. RoF has the fight against Frieza's men, apparently Togama is being made into an actual fight, and then there's both Goku and Vegeta's fights against Frieza (both Final Form AND Golden). It'll be longer than BoG, I bet it will be.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
When does the saiya people dub come out?
TheAwesomePossum
Banned
Considering how fast this week's episode went, I'm seeing Vegeta vs Golden Freeza + planet's explosion + end being fit into one episode. I'm betting the arc finishing in episode 28-30 at worst.
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
New manga chapter just came out and the participants for universe 6 team are.
Sounds like great choices to me.
Goku,Vegeta,Buu,Piccolo, and a unknown fighter who is the strongest Beerus has ever fought (not counting) Whis.
Sounds like great choices to me.
Oh man, this is gonna be awesome.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Todd Blankenship ‏@Herms98 2h2 hours ago
Vegeta even says Gohan probably has the highest potential out of all of them (remember those days?), but Goku says he only studies now.
Vegeta even says Gohan probably has the highest potential out of all of them (remember those days?), but Goku says he only studies now.
Please, no
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
Aaronrules380
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They need to pass a written test. I could honestly see Buu failing and Gohan subbing in, but it's probably not happening
Pankratous
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Piccolo must be getting a buff to at least Buu levels because he is in no way a contender in his current state. In fact they both must be getting a huge buff.
Aaronrules380
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Or he could just lose. Or the other side might have a hard time finding Goku level guys as well
that's great, hope it happens
Icyflamez96
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Piccolo better get a buff. Buu being in is kinda boring. Hopefully they do something interesting with him, or he just becomes a more interesting character to have on screen.
This is absolutely awesome. Didn't expect such a combination.
Buu is the least boring choice, I honestly expected an all saiyan team and I'm glad it's not
LordOfChaos
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Seven Force
Banned
That's honestly the best possible lineup.
I was afraid they'd be boring and have Gohan and Goten & Trunks (as Gotenks) in there.
Buu's a great choice, and Piccolo being there practically confirms a power up for him at some point, at least to get him on Buu level.
Buu's a great choice, and Piccolo being there practically confirms a power up for him at some point, at least to get him on Buu level.
Icyflamez96
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In that sense he is definitely, but I just dislike Buu and think he's an uninteresting character.
KidA Seven
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Really? One of those characters sucks.
That's awesome. This series could get real good down the road.
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