Gamespot: Yoshinori Ono talks DLC, Beta Woes and Xbox One Fans
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StrongBlackVine
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It would not be releasing in a few months without Sony's help.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/no-street-fighter-v-until-2018-capcom-producer/1100-6412556/
Ban Puncher
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Alright, fair enough. We all do that sometimes. No biggie.
Oh gawd, so it's now *turns 1 degrees and walks away*? XDO:
So why are people stating that it wouldn't exist at all without their help? Yet, this exclusivity deal is fine?
I don't personally mind around these deals, I think they're good business for the devs, just the views on here are looking hypocritical.
StrongBlackVine
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I don't see many people saying that. I think people are saying it's fine because we get the game 2 years earlier and with a proper budget.
That's what I want to know, how is restricting SF to three platfoms(Win,PS4 and Mac) going to attract more casuals?
Call the ambulance, I dying. Oh you!
I'm fine with this game coming out sooner rather than 3-4 years down the road.
It's the main point of discussion when comparing the two big exclusivity deals this gen. In all fairness, one is also releasing on the other platform where as this, not at all.
StrongBlackVine
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Playstation and PC don't have casual gamers?
StrongBlackVine
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This discussion is so old now. If you feel that way nothing any one says is going to change your mind.
Your right, although I used to agree with the overall theme, because I had the assumption that it was right in stating that this game wouldn't be around if it wasn't for Sony helping develop/fund it.
This is clearly not true, and yet all this says, is that this deal is worse because it's exclusive for it's life where as RoTR isn't.
Yet he gives this answer which screams Don Mattrick. GAF, I'm disappointed in you, double standards.
I never said that, I'm just saying that no 3rd party gone 1st first party has made waves this gen. Anyway, I'll just wait until Feb's NPD and other sales trackers to know if I was right.
Sir Garbageman
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I like that Fight Money will actively encourage people to play different characters and reduce the Ryu / Ken army online. Looks like they are taking notes from Blizzard games.
Projectjustice
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Lol at all the butthurt posters cause Ono tells it how it really is.
Great interview too!
Great interview too!
No one ever said to get a second job.
Honestly the Xbone question has been answered and doesn't deserve an answer at this point, but yeah he was really harsh with that answer
mejin
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Since the beginning Capcom and Sony were pretty clear about this next game but people still don't want to believe.
Newtype-001
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I don't understand how it's a big deal, Onos just telling it how it is.
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_/¯You can actually want and like to play more than one game in a genre. If KI was staying an Xbone exclusive I'd probably be looking at pickng one up this winter, but since it's coming to PC I'll hold off. I want to play both games though.
I'm almost positive no "Get a second job" was never said and it was something console warriors spun.
Stone Ocean
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The game wouldn't be around right now if it weren't for Sony's money. Capcom is struggling ultra hard with current gen development and contrary to popular belief fighting games aren't cheap to make. Also the game isn't exclusive, it's coming out for PC day and date with PS4.
boredandlazy
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Just ignore him. I'm pretty sure he's fairly well versed with the whole situation, and just baiting.
No, it would be around later, not non-existent. Check the link above.
I'm not baiting, the whole it wouldn't be around if for Sony argument is completely false.
Hence, he said RIGHT NOW. This has been debated so many times....
For a majority of this gem I had an xbone only and just recently got a ps4 (around beta 1)
Not interested in anything else ps4 related tbh
Except p5
Also didn't Ono go to Xbox as well and got denied because of PC cross play? The burn is well warranted
Honestly comments like this are probably the reason Ono is laughing at people.
Yeah, I really doubt we're getting another Capcom Fighter this gen. Maybe Marvel if they can get a deal going but I doubt they'd go for anything else due to risk and cutting the user base.
If I were in his shoes I'd say that question has been answered and left it at that.
I kind of doubt it. Arika hasn't used any of those characters in ages, I don't think Capcom has bothered. Karin is owned by the mangaka who created her and he said they could get her if they wanted but they still waited ages despite demand.
Ex characters probably haven't gotten as much demand, but to be fair I kind of doubt any of the polls included them either.
Vital Tundra
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Skullomania dream is real!!!
boredandlazy
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You ARE baiting. Throwing around statements like "I'm disappointed in you, GAF" and accusing people of double standards is just antagonistic bullshit.
So you're taking a single interview from 2013 saying that SFV would happen in 2018 literally? Ignoring everything that has happened to Capcom in the interim including their current financial state? Okay.
Edit: Oh holy shit you're the 90% digital guy. Nevermind, this is a waste of everyone's time.
Nice interview. One niggle for me has always been that nobody ever seems to ask Ono or Dahlgren to explain why they chose not to bring the game to arcades (first) this time.
This always seemed like an odd decision to me going by the series history and on-going popularity in arcades in Japan especially (where II, III and IV are still being played very actively to this day). I wonder how the Japanese fanbase is dealing with this decision.
And before someone counter me with the "arcades are dead" or "arcade cabinets are too expensive and don't fit such a DLC focused game" arguments: Tekken 7 (= one of MANY arcade games being announced this past year, mind you) still got an arcade release and it runs in a cabinet that is connected to the internet and as such can be updated as easily as console versions. The same probably applies to Dissidia. There is in other words no clear technical or financial limitation for Capcom to not do an update-able arcade version, only a possible business decision to hold back on that to make the PS4 (and PC) version more attractive to (Japanese) players or to wait before the game is more or less complete before doing a cabinet.
I really hope this won't be true as that would be a very sad reality for people like me who wish there would be more, not less, major Japanese fighting game series being played. One slight hint for their plans is that they chose to give their fighting game hub a general name, i.e. "Capcom Fighters Network," and not something like "Street Fighters Network."
Maybe this is me being hopeful for a new Darkstalkers (or Cyberbots!), but to me this might indicate that they at least are keeping the option open for it to become an umbrella / hub for more fighting games than SF(V) at least.
This always seemed like an odd decision to me going by the series history and on-going popularity in arcades in Japan especially (where II, III and IV are still being played very actively to this day). I wonder how the Japanese fanbase is dealing with this decision.
And before someone counter me with the "arcades are dead" or "arcade cabinets are too expensive and don't fit such a DLC focused game" arguments: Tekken 7 (= one of MANY arcade games being announced this past year, mind you) still got an arcade release and it runs in a cabinet that is connected to the internet and as such can be updated as easily as console versions. The same probably applies to Dissidia. There is in other words no clear technical or financial limitation for Capcom to not do an update-able arcade version, only a possible business decision to hold back on that to make the PS4 (and PC) version more attractive to (Japanese) players or to wait before the game is more or less complete before doing a cabinet.
I really hope this won't be true as that would be a very sad reality for people like me who wish there would be more, not less, major Japanese fighting game series being played. One slight hint for their plans is that they chose to give their fighting game hub a general name, i.e. "Capcom Fighters Network," and not something like "Street Fighters Network."
Maybe this is me being hopeful for a new Darkstalkers (or Cyberbots!), but to me this might indicate that they at least are keeping the option open for it to become an umbrella / hub for more fighting games than SF(V) at least.
I remembered lol
They refuse to develop those products without the publisher's money to start with. Its not a matter of 'making more money'.
Good catch
It's true, and I am disappointed. There was and still is absolute out rage over the timed deal for RoTR, yet this got the pass due to the funding and it's absence if it wasn't for the deal. I agreed with that, and I still agree with this deal, it was a smart move to sign for exclusivity to bring the game release date forward. Although, the game WOULD still be around if it wasn't for this deal, albeit later, but it would still be here.
The answer he gave is obnoxious and aligns with the 'second job' mantra of Sony in '06. A general amount in here have acted positively to the answer.
The whole thing is hugely hypocritical.
Okay, so the thread is going back around to "Sony paid to keep the game off other platforms" false narrative again.
It seems like very SF5 thread eventually gets a ton of people who don't want to see reason or the statements of the dev in the proper light
It seems like very SF5 thread eventually gets a ton of people who don't want to see reason or the statements of the dev in the proper light
Jimmyfenix
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leeh do you think SFV will sell 90% digitally?
StrongBlackVine
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I wonder if they will make any AAA games on their own. I thought for sure we would have some news on Resident Evil 7 by now. It's been 3 years. Maybe they are using all these remasters and budget games to get the funds for it.
Stone Ocean
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You don't know that. They said SF5 wouldn't happen before 2018, they never confirmed it was gonna happen in 2018. Look at Capcom's current output and finances, at this point it was more likely that they pulled a Konami by 2018 than making SF5 on their own.
Yeah, please see my post above for a new angle, i.e.: why would they not do an arcade release this time despite the series history in arcades? Isn't that something worth discussing? Not that I'm not at all bringing Sony into the mix by the way, but at least I'm trying to discuss it openly and without playing the "Sony screwed things up card."
Would you really prefer the sanitized PR response? I don't know, personally, I prefer the way he handled it. He was just being honest, and he was being his usual silly self. I wouldn't take it too personally, dude.
Who knows...it'll probably be a while in any case.
SF5 might have been F2P with micro-transactions had Sony not stepped in, just based on Capcom's current output...i'd never want to see that.
Its more scary because one of the higher ups actually did indicate that's where they wanted to go next until supposedly Ono got Sony to approve a deal.
I can see a new Dark-stalkers coming if SF5 does well. MVC4 could be in the works but I can see Disney intervening and stopping it from happening. The only thing left Capcom do is to join forces with DC.
StrongBlackVine
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Unless they live in Japan why would any one on here care about an arcade version? Just seems irrelevant.
yeah, but you can get a pretty good pc for 350 excluding the controller, and you get the advantage of having a computer
The Last One
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I would say Resident Evil 2 remake is an AAA.
Stone Ocean
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Darkstalkers 4 is never happening without outside funding, sadly.
For what it's worth, that's an expectation, not a desire. I'd love to see more Capcom Fighters but I don't really see it being a reality. I don't think Capcom is willing and I don't think the market is there for most of them.
But trust me, I would absolutely *LOVE* to be proven wrong on both counts.
Stone Ocean
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Arcades are secondary to Capcom these days. SSF4, Ultra, SFxT, MVC3, they just aren't a priority no more.
boredandlazy
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OK. Even though I still don't believe you, what makes it ok for you to generalise all of 'GAF' because of the comments of a few?
I'd go along with this, but I'm discussing this in a serious manner. I was simply using the narrative as a trend of more people going digital, something EA themselves believe with the expectation of digital rising from 20% to 40% in the next year for the lifetime of their titles.
So Capcom would let their biggest IP go stale? Like I've said, I agree with this deal because it pushes the release date forward which will surely help Capcom. I'm not disagreeing with the deal, more disappointed in the views of the console exclusivity deals between the two games. That's all.
Although the answer he gave, does wind me up the wrong way knowing this. Which is what this thread is about.