Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west

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To all the people talking about never shopping from Play-Asia again SOLELY because of the tweets while you are certainly entitled to do as you please don't you think its a bit extreme?

I highly doubt whoever was in charge of those tweets was anything more then a low level employee who in no way shape or form holds any stake in the company.

While stupid there have been MANY cases of employees from companies, especially western ones making stupid posts on social media that you read about all the time on gaf all of which were made with higher ups unaware or made with a personal agenda.

Those of you who this is the tipping point I suggest waiting to see what kind of reply if any comes in the near future because there's a huge chance the higher ups aren't even aware of said tweets and if it comes that nothing happens or the stance is maintained or continued then feel free to boycott away.
 
freeofgreed said:
Why is play asia even made about this? Wouldn't it not being released here help them saleswise?
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Nobody is talking about it not being released at retail, because the sales projections for something like this would be so low that most retail chains would not bother with it. They are talking about selling import copies that english language players can comprehend. Assuming there is much to comprehend. I agree with the argument in principal, this is just an exceedingly stupid test case.
 
Hey ho. Long time Play-Asia customer. Probably not ordering anything after this unless they issue an apology for supporting a hate group. That is all.

I highly doubt whoever was in charge of those tweets was anything more then a low level employee who in no way shape or form holds any stake in the company.
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This is correct, but then one would expect a formal apology. Silence in the matter equals approval of said exployee's opinions. That's how PR works.
 
I get that their tweet isn't exactly professional or the way to address the situation, however I'm really not understanding what has people calling this some form of cop out. I mean lets be real. Releasing a game like this, which is undeniably more sexualised than the DOA main series, in this day and age is going to be a bit different. DOA5 happened a good few years ago and in those few years a lot has changed.

I think a more professional way to get the point across would have been to say that they fear the backlash may outweigh the profits, which honestly it probably will. This game was never going to sell gangbusters but it will be ridiculed for the tone. This is fine, the problem for the company comes after as this often then transcends into being ganged upon on Twitter. (I'd like to clarify that can happen on any topic, I'm not specifically singling out the issue at hand and it can come from either side of the argument)

I don't think it's hard to imagine that the bad PR could easily outweigh the benefit of what little sales it would have had. It's just the world we live in now where one person becoming offended then becomes 1000, then 10,000. I'm not trying to say anyone is right or wrong either, I try to stay out of these particular topics as it's hard to voice any form of opinion since saying anything tends to get you bundled into one of two groups. However I can completely understand why they wouldn't want to release this in the west. It would undoubtedly come at a cost and it seems the team have decided the cost isn't worth it.
 
I'm convinced that KT's refusal to release the game is a big marketing campaign to drum up hype for the game...
 
cosmicblizzard said:
Do people really get that mad over the term "SJW" to the point of not using an online retailer anymore?
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Considering the way it's now used by noted jackasses to try and shutdown any sort of discussion regarding gender/sexuality/etc, yeah, sure, that's reason enough for people to not want to engage in business with the kind of company that is fine with the people managing their social presence using that language.

Chindogg said:
While what they said was really stupid, I didn't see them actively supporting any hate groups. Did I miss something?
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The initial tweets were in response to people using the #GG hashtag asking them about it, which isn't necessarily supporting said hate group but they do go on to use the same kind of language, so
 
petghost said:
what term should people use then? i agree that the term itself is derogatory and maybe juvenile but it refers to a clear cultural movement of young people who are very concerned with identity politics. it needs some sort of name.
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I don't think it needs a term at all. it's shitty and dismissive no matter what you come up with. and it's all imaginary in this case because no one seems to care about this game. certainly not enough to have a social media campaign or anything.
 
Jenny said:
To all the people talking about never shopping from Play-Asia again SOLELY because of the tweets while you are certainly entitled to do as you please don't you think its a bit extreme?

I highly doubt whoever was in charge of those tweets was anything more then a low level employee who in no way shape or form holds any stake in the company.

While stupid there have been MANY cases of employees from companies, especially western ones making stupid posts on social media that you read about all the time on gaf all of which were made with higher ups unaware or made with a personal agenda.

Those of you who this is the tipping point I suggest waiting to see what kind of reply if any comes in the near future because there's a huge chance the higher ups aren't even aware of said tweets and if it comes that nothing happens or the stance is maintained or continued then feel free to boycott away.
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I wonder if the individual that handles the twitter page will actually be taken care of by being douchey when the game actually not coming to US helps their business to sell copies. It simply makes the store look unprofessional and people will take their business elsewhere instead like we can see people liking here to other websites which in some cases are on the same or better quality on terms of service as PA. This is only making negativity towards the store than anyone else really.

djtiesto said:
I'm convinced that KT's refusal to release the game is a big marketing campaign to drum up hype for the game...
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Im trying to remember which game was that they did something similar of just denying the localization and then suddenly on twitter ask if people were interested in the game for localization. We'll see what happens with all this in a matter of time if it happens or not.
 
UpDownLeftRight said:
I get that their tweet isn't exactly professional or the way to address the situation, however I'm really not understanding what has people calling this some form of cop out. I mean lets be real. Releasing a game like this, which is undeniably more sexualised than the DOA main series, in this day and age is going to be a bit different. DOA5 happened a good few years ago and in those few years a lot has changed.

I think a more professional way to get the point across would have been to say that they fear the backlash may outweigh the profits, which honestly it probably will. This game was never going to sell gangbusters but it will be ridiculed for the tone. This is fine, the problem for the company comes after as this often then transcends into being ganged upon on Twitter. (I'd like to clarify that can happen on any topic, I'm not specifically singling out the issue at hand and it can come from either side of the argument)

I don't think it's hard to imagine that the bad PR could easily outweigh the benefit of what little sales it would have had. It's just the world we live in now where one person becoming offended then becomes 1000, then 10,000. I'm not trying to say anyone is right or wrong either, I try to stay out of these particular topics as it's hard to voice any form of opinion since saying anything tends to get you bundled into one of two groups. However I can completely understand why they wouldn't want to release this in the west. It would undoubtedly come at a cost and it seems the team have decided the cost isn't worth it.
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That's exactly what the DoA FB page did say. Play-Asia's twitter guy just dialed it up a bit.


Risette said:
SJW is gamergate (the hate group in question) coded language. so yes, you did miss something.
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Seems weird to say this when the term SJW existed (with this connotation) before GamerGate was even thought of.
 
Eh, no big loss. I'm still waiting for Tecmo to announce the "all girls included, we promise" edition.
 
djtiesto said:
I'm convinced that KT's refusal to release the game is a big marketing campaign to drum up hype for the game...
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Hype for who? Let's be real, it's a bad game. This isn't a dragon's crown where people end up playing the game and realizing that it's a great game with a peculiar art style. No this is fap material wrapped in shitty minigames, that the people who are going to buy it already know of it's existence.

This is coming from someone who will have it day 1.
 
Shouta said:
This is probably what they're doing.
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Everything i've seen of their games points that way.... Hell the first way we(fans) knew we were getting Warriors orochi 3 Ultimate in the usa was due to them releasing DOA 5 costumes and being Coy about the fact.
 
L Thammy said:
Was Gamergate's existence in question?

...I'm sure someone somewhere has claimed that SJWs invented Gamergate as a publicity stunt.
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Your guess is as good as mine. I just have had it float around in my mind as of lately. I'm pretty passionate about not censoring video games and I'm against getting rid of adult content altogether.

Today I brought it up on my own free will and started analyzing how I associated censorship and how GG was even part of my enjoyment of games. I probably won't use the term again unless it's to break apart its fabric and mold it into something better. I for one have played DOAX, but I've mostly stuck it out with the fighting series. I do remember the Xbox version sitting in a bin at GameStop and other various iterations. I know there are also hardcore fans of DOA and its cast. I'm sure some are even into this as an actual volleyball game (with or without the sexual tones); the game needs to be playable otherwise it falls into the laundry basket of obscure adult video games.
 
Chindogg said:
While what they said was really stupid, I didn't see them actively supporting any hate groups. Did I miss something?
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A lot of people who use the term SJW non-ironically are associated with Gamergate. I think saying Play Asia has gamergaters is jumping to conclusions quite a bit but it's hard to argue that using that term was an attempt to appeal to that crowd because they know those people will buy the game from them.
 
Anyone surprised by this is blind to the tone shift in social media against games like these. I'm happy places like Play-Asia exists to accomodate for the actual fans.
 
Mobius and pet octopus said:
Everything I've seen regarding this game looks harmless. But people nowadays are way to ready to charge full riot mode on something they don't like. More than a few people have been targeted by social media outrage campaigns, as we're all aware.

I think they're in the wrong for not having a western release, although it is clearly still available to purchase in English regardless.

I think the easy and lazy response is to get mad at these supposed people who are supposedly stopping a western release, simply because they have an opinion about sexualization of women in video games. Personally I am 100% okay with the content of this game I have seen so far. Women in bikinis is offensive? Don't go to the beach then. Might get offended really fast. But to blame those people who find issue... nah. We know who is in control here. No one is forcing their hands, I think.
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Agreed.

And yeah they should just release it.

djtiesto said:
I'm convinced that KT's refusal to release the game is a big marketing campaign to drum up hype for the game...
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Could totally see this. In which case they are probably just waiting until the dub work is done, which almost always takes some extra time beyond the Japanese release date (unless it's a purposefully worldwide release date).
 
Ferrio said:
But this one seems to be pushing it even further, more realistic graphics, VR and now with Loli type characters etc. Add the fact that people want better representation of females in gaming, it could just be the tipping point.
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I'm pretty sure DOAX games have always had that stuff (minus the VR). Wasn't Ayane 16 in the original DOAX and they just made her age "N/A" in the west to try to hide it?
 
Jenny said:
To all the people talking about never shopping from Play-Asia again SOLELY because of the tweets while you are certainly entitled to do as you please don't you think its a bit extreme?
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Extreme how? There are plenty of other options for importing and simply not going through Play-Asia is a remarkably easy decision to make.

I think what it comes down to is, knowing that this is the voice PA wants to use to represent itself and speak to its desired customer base, is this a company you want to do business with?
 
Jenny said:
To all the people talking about never shopping from Play-Asia again SOLELY because of the tweets while you are certainly entitled to do as you please don't you think its a bit extreme?
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I don't think it's extreme at all. There are a lot of alternatives, that don't post dumb stuff on social media, and who offer lower prices. Such is the free market :P

Faking anger (because really, this directly benefits them, lol) is going to encourage some dumb people to post even more hateful stuff online, it was a pretty crappy move. I do think it was probably just the "social media guy" and not necessarily Play-Asia as a whole, but that's why you hire competent people.
 
MiguelItUp said:
That is absolutely hysterical. Personally after thinking about it more and more, I doubt it has anything to do with that and more so that the last game didn't sell as well as they would've hoped. I mean, I could be wrong. But it's not like everything that comes out has triggered someone or a group of people. However, it's kind of sad because I think we're reaching a point where I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. I'm not a fan of the series at all, but why not just not buy it or support it rather than ranting about it and trying to ruin it for the fans. I'm really hoping that doesn't become a common practice, especially for video games.
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People are delusional.

1. No one gave a shit about this game in particular. There's been like no conversation about it, and no one insisting that SJW outrage is the culprit seems able to link to anything or name and names.

2. DOA (to a lesser extent) and DOAX have been subject to scrutiny regarding representation of women and sexualization for about as long as the games have existed. The DOAX games in particular are often treated as a joke, even among people who like the series. Posts from people who had no intention of buying the game and have never bought games in the series before will have no impact on sales, because the games survive on those who enjoy the niche it fills. Is it not suspicious that a game company would make major financial decisions over hypothetical tumblr posts? In this industry, where controversy (Postal 2, hot coffee, etc) usually does nothing to your game's sales and might even serve to immortalize it?

People absolutely should be able to feel free criticizing a game for whatever reason. No one has to hold their tongue for some nebulous reasons like "omg it'll be ruined for the fans." That's not how anything has worked, ever.
 
partyphone said:
I don't think it needs a term at all. it's shitty and dismissive no matter what you come up with. and it's all imaginary in this case because no one seems to care about this game. certainly not enough to have a social media campaign or anything.
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i think when the movement is powerful enough that it is changing the culture at college campuses all across america to pretend that it doesn't exist or that referring to it in anyway as a movement is dismissive is kind of unfair thing to impose on people talking about the subject. the beatniks and hippies are recognized by the derogatory name society gave to them...its not what they called themselves. this movement is imo of enough cultural importance that it should be discussed.
 
post-S said:
Just curious, what is the "polite term" designating SJW?
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If you're doing it right there really shouldn't be much need to categorize someone you disagree with. The polite thing to do, in general, is to interact with people as individuals and with their arguments as arguments, and not just try and lump everything together into one boogeyman that you can rail against as taking away all of your video games.
 
Meh, I mean are they wrong?

I don't really care never played a DOA Volleyball whateverthefuck game, if I need to jerk off I have real porn to manage that. But, I'm not really sure why people get so upset over the series at least the game doesn't try to hide what it is. If a gaming company wants to basically release video game porn to men then let them, not really a controversy to me.

That said, I do find those tweets hilarious. "Silly Western fools, thanks to you liberal crusaders none of you will get to enjoy wonderful softcore beach volleyball video game titty porn. FOOLS!"
 
Boycott Play-Asia for this terrible display of misogyny.

Absolute trash company.

We need to petition Jeff Gerstmann and Giant Bomb to stop mentioning and endorsing this site.
 
Uh, that's a way to get a few more sales from a... particular audience, I guess...
 
UpDownLeftRight said:
I get that their tweet isn't exactly professional or the way to address the situation, however I'm really not understanding what has people calling this some form of cop out. I mean lets be real. Releasing a game like this, which is undeniably more sexualised than the DOA main series, in this day and age is going to be a bit different. DOA5 happened a good few years ago and in those few years a lot has changed.

I think a more professional way to get the point across would have been to say that they fear the backlash may outweigh the profits, which honestly it probably will. This game was never going to sell gangbusters but it will be ridiculed for the tone. This is fine, the problem for the company comes after as this often then transcends into being ganged upon on Twitter. (I'd like to clarify that can happen on any topic, I'm not specifically singling out the issue at hand and it can come from either side of the argument)

I don't think it's hard to imagine that the bad PR could easily outweigh the benefit of what little sales it would have had. It's just the world we live in now where one person becoming offended then becomes 1000, then 10,000. I'm not trying to say anyone is right or wrong either, I try to stay out of these particular topics as it's hard to voice any form of opinion since saying anything tends to get you bundled into one of two groups. However I can completely understand why they wouldn't want to release this in the west. It would undoubtedly come at a cost and it seems the team have decided the cost isn't worth it.
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Take it from someone who buys lots of stupid fanservice games, tons of them are coming out without any controversy. Hell, your post is basically proof that the controversy boogeyman is bullshit.

Just this year I have played Senran Kagura 2, Dungeon Travelers 2 and Oneechanbara. All utterly shameless, all with completely quiet releases.

Koei's excuse for not releasing DOAX3 is either bullshit or a catastrophic misreading of the market. And play asia's excuse is basically playing into that false narrative while trying to court a hate group.
 
partyphone said:
the term SJW existed before GG but then GG started using it in unironically and so here we are today with a derogatory term
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It was already done that way before GG.
Years before, in fact.


Urban Dictionary: SJW
Top definition is the same thing that GGers (and many others) are trying to say when they type SJW. This definition is from very early 2012 which is to say that the very latest that this term could have been starting to spread is sometime in 2011.
Its nothing to do with GG other than people wanting to make it be associated with GG when it really isn't.
 
Blackleg-sanji1 said:
I imagine nobody bought from sony after they told fans to get another job. Or Microsofts we have a product for people with no internet crap. Fallout being buggy mess had to make people go i wont buy this anymore. Or how about all the low content AAA releases. Not saying people are wrong just find it funny something like a tweet can set that reaction off
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Some issues are more important to different people than others. You are being really dismissive with your whole "oh this thing that bothers you is trivial compared to all those things that bother me."
 
foxtrot3d said:
Meh, I mean are they wrong?

I don't really care never played a DOA Volleyball whateverthefuck game, if I need to jerk off I have real porn to manage that. But, I'm not really sure why people get so upset over the series at least the game doesn't try to hide what it is. If a gaming company wants to basically release video game porn to men then let them, not really a controversy to me.

That said, I do find those tweets hilarious. "Silly Western fools, thanks to you liberal crusaders none of you will get to enjoy wonderful softcore beach volleyball video game titty porn. FOOLS!"
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No they aren't wrong at all but it seems to be the way they worded it thats upsetting people. I dont keep up with that SJW stuff so i judging by responses guess people hate that specific term. Eh understandable i guess. I just want doax3
 
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