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[LiegeWaffle]

This does not even make sense. I've never even seen an article from anyone actually worth reading that said something like "crappy Vita RPGs and DOAX have really troubling representation of women", because well, that is extremely obvious statement and you can't even elaborate much on that. The much more prevalent sentiment I've actually heard is "I am tired of pandering garbage being shoehorned into my favorite games", and for some reason I am fairly sure this sentiment is not limited to people whom they call "SJWs".

 

[Jenny]

Extreme how? There are plenty of other options for importing and simply not going through Play-Asia is a remarkably easy decision to make.

I think what it comes down to is, knowing that this is the voice PA wants to use to represent itself and speak to its desired customer base, is this a company you want to do business with?

I don't think it's extreme at all. There are a lot of alternatives, that don't post dumb stuff on social media, and who offer lower prices. Such is the free market

Faking anger (because really, this directly benefits them, lol) is going to encourage some dumb people to post even more hateful stuff online, it was a pretty crappy move. I do think it was probably just the "social media guy" and not necessarily Play-Asia as a whole, but that's why you hire competent people.

Maybe extreme was the wrong word to use, maybe hasty would have been a better word but what I meant was it seems like people are being too quick to judge a company overall based on a few series of tweets from a low level employee.

I agree that the tweets were stupid but I have a hard time believing that whoever wrote those tweets speaks for the company overall. My guess is whoever wrote the tweets noticed the many articles posted today about it not getting a western release and they thought it would be "cute" to post those tweets in an effort to try and sway the people who are upset at no western release to buy from them. Stupid an immature? Sure business and politics have no place being mixed but does play asia have a history of tweets like this? I don't believe so.

Long story short its absolutely fine to be disgusted at the tweets but the pre-crowning of Play-Asia as a hateful company based of a rogue low level employee's tweets that are barely a few hours old just seems a bit hasty to me though I'm very interested in seeing what follow if any posts are made.

Though on the alternative shops part while true for the Japanese version, the asian version has very limited if any options to buy from and the English Saikyou Package has no alternative.

 

[cartographer]

I'm gay and I actually enjoyed the gameplay of the first game and I liked collecting the outfits and accessories for the game. Does that says I'm a pervert despite feeling no attraction to the material in the game?

Your experience with the game does not change what it is.

 

[Vlaphor]

Wait, I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I'm talking about how people don't want to buy from Play-Asia anymore because of the SJW-blaming.

I thought you were saying that nobody in the west wants to buy games with fanservice anymore. It's a statement I hear a lot when this stuff comes up, but, if that's not what you were saying, then nevermind then.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

The people that would boycott them for this aren't exactly the kind of people that buy things from play asia in the first place. You're not going to be doing a damn thing.

That's a ridiculous claim.

I've bought from Play-Asia before (although not for quite a few years at this point).

I will certainly never give them my business again after this, because this is really a disgusting tweet, and their pandering to hate groups is not something I want any part of.

When I want to buy imported Japanese goods, I'll stick with AmiAmi or other sites.

 

[PetulantChild]

Then you are supporting the patriarchy and people who spout hate speech.

If you're buying videogames in the first place you're giving you're money to the illuminati alien shapeshifter lizards by ignoring the real problems around us. So why not?

 

[TurnipFritters]

literally no one is boycotting doax3

 

[CambriaRising]

Mostly because what you've just typed here is a bold-faced lie and I'm not of the mind that lying helps anyone's cause.
Its actually heavily used by many people who have never heard of GamerGate and had been before it even existed. To claim that use of a term that's unrelated to GG is necessarily an attempt to court GG is nonsensical at best.

How is it a lie to say that in terms of video games GG has used the phrase to label and disparage people who are feminists or point out sexism/racism in games?

literally no one is boycotting doax3

I think that's the weirdest thing about this. It's not like this game has had any sort of huge backlash. People kinda know what this game is and what to expect.

 

[Hasney]

Not buying from them again is the least you can do. By that I mean instead of boycotting Play-Asia for sexist games shouldn't we boycott Japan because of sexist games?

No, I might even want DOAX3 depending on how the volleyball part reviews because all I have right now is Beach Spikers in Dolphin. I don't even care that they used SJW like some people do. I just hate came social media controversies to try and drum up business.

 

[DR2K]

Man getting all the outfits takes so many damn hours I can see why compare it to Pokemon.

I put in several hundred hours in both DOAXs. Even when the girls were throwing away my 1 million dollar bikinis and hating me the next day I still loved it.

 

[RM8]

I've bought from Play-Asia a few times myself but have been doing so for many years so I always assumed them to be one of the cheaper options (they used to be a long time ago), I guess habit has just made me not look into it any further. Do you have any other sites you can reccommend?

I was kinda on the fence about this game but this controversy has convinced me it's a must buy lol.

It depends on what you want to buy, but I've found better deals at Nippon Yasan (for accesories) and YesAsia. No bad experiences with those yet (and neither with Play-Asia, really). I'm going to keep buying N3DS faceplates from Nippon Yasan and not Play-Asia because paying in JPY is actually cheaper, I'm pretty happy with them. Then I'm planning to buy some 3DS games soon, and some of them are slightly cheaper on YesAsia (like Legend of Legacy).

 

[way more]

I don't think anyone is boycotting because they are selling the game but rather the tweets themselves (That's why I am).

That's like saying Confederate Flags are fine but you won't shop at Wal-Mart because they won't sell them. Let's attack the root and cause.

 

[kuroneko0509]

I've bought from Play-Asia a few times myself but have been doing so for many years so I always assumed them to be one of the cheaper options (they used to be a long time ago), I guess habit has just made me not look into it any further. Do you have any other sites you can reccommend?

I was kinda on the fence about this game but this controversy has convinced me it's a must buy lol.

generally amiami is a better choice for importing jp games, but in this case it's hard to find suitable replacement for asian version of the game, which so far only yesasia offers it (but the listing mention chinese language instead of multi like in play-asia)

 

[foxtrot3d]

it's one thing for some niche indie studio to put out a borderline erotic game, it's another for a major game studio taking characters from a somewhat major gaming franchise and putting them in a game like this. would it be ok if square enix put out a tomb raider bikini volleyball game?

Sure, I don't care it's their franchise why do I care what they do with a fictional character in some crazy softcore erotica spin-off series? Also, Tomb Raider is a bad example since people have been hacking Tomb Raider titles from the beginning to show all kinds of stuff. Again I don't care, I wouldn't buy such a game but if Square thinks there is a market for such a product then more power to them. I'm not going to tell people what they should or should not like/buy.

However, I suspect this "SJW" nonsense has nothing to do with why the game won't be released in the West. That tweet just sounds like some salty import company trying to stir up controversy to direct blame for why a weird niche erotica product isn't getting released in the West.

 

[JeffG]

The controversy is completely manufactured by Tecmo for publicity reasons.

Lots of free press.


Add some sales in for those who want to prove the SJWs wrong.

Damn smart of them.

 

[DR2K]

Your experience with the game does not change what it is.

What it is, is a matter of opinion.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Mostly because what you've just typed here is a bold-faced lie and I'm not of the mind that lying helps anyone's cause.
Its actually heavily used by many people who have never heard of GamerGate and had been before it even existed. To claim that use of a term that's unrelated to GG is necessarily an attempt to court GG is nonsensical at best.

This topic is right up gamergates alley.
No matter how you spin it, SJW is one of the most common terms in the GG lexicon.
This is about videogames and women.

Its fucking ridiculous to pretend the use of the term SJW in this context is unconnected to GG. I'd have an easier time arguing cats are dogs.

 

[Kinsei]

That's like saying Confederate Flags are fine but you won't shop at Wal-Mart because they won't sell them. Let's attack the root and cause.

What? No. I'm not boycotting because of the game at all. In fact, I couldn't care less about DoA, I'm boycotting due to the audience they are trying to court with the wording of the tweets.

 

[Jathaine]

How is it a lie to say that in terms of video games GG has used the phrase to label and disparage people who are feminists or point out sexism/racism in games?

Maybe had that been what you said, I wouldn't have called it a lie. Maybe co-opt isn't the word you meant to use?
What you essentially said before could certainly be read as GG having taken a term and re-purposed it and that essentially they took the term for their own which is not in any way true.

That GGers commonly use a term that non-GGers also commonly use the same thing in the same way means nothing other than its a commonly understood term to describe "thing".

 

[RM8]

What? No. I'm not boycotting because of the game at all. In fact, I couldn't care less about DoA, I'm boycotting due to the audience they are trying to court with the wording of the tweets.

Same. I buy DOA games! (not DOAX, though) I'm not boycotting DOA. And again, Play-Asia will get my money when they're cheaper than the alternative, so yeah.

 

[Northeastmonk]

I think when we think of movements or organizational decisions we think there's this cry out in the wild that assumes a role or set of standards, much like how Play-Asia is sorta taking a shot at North America and the SWJ's.

Who are the ruling classes? Rich business men who make decisions, so we assume this outcry is coming from somewhere. That's who I assume is the culprit.

The person making decisions either saw no room for sales or a problem developing that would potentially harm who they are in 2015 in a particular division.

 

[Vazra]

I put in several hundred hours in both DOAXs. Even when the girls were throwing away my 1 million dollar bikinis and hating me the next day I still loved it.

Also the hours I spent playing Casino were a lot.

 

[cartographer]

What it is, is a matter of opinion.

Not really. The content of the game is well known and not an opinion. It doesn't take much thought to understand why it exists. That some people enjoy it for reasons other than the obvious doesn't change the obvious.

Some people really did read Playboy for the articles, but we know why it sold.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

That's like saying Confederate Flags are fine but you won't shop at Wal-Mart because they won't sell them. Let's attack the root and cause.

What?

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

If you're buying videogames in the first place you're giving you're money to the illuminati alien shapeshifter lizards by ignoring the real problems around us. So why not?

When you have no actual intelligent response to a fairly level headed point, it's always a good idea to start building up strawmen and tilting at invisible windmills. Good job.

 

[Phocks]

Nice to see that I can swap between /v/ and gaf and all you have to do is swap "SJW" with "GG" and the discussions are 90% similar.

 

[sakipon]

This topic is right up gamergates alley.
No matter how you spin it, SJW is one of the most common terms in the GG lexicon.
This is about videogames and women.

Its fucking ridiculous to pretend the use of the term SJW in this context is unconnected to GG. I'd have an easier time arguing cats are dogs.

Are you sure that connotation is well known in Asia though? I feel Americans are looking at these tweets from their perspective and getting a different vibe than intended.

 

[Mooreberg]

This is going to blow up in PA's face either way. If they sell it, some people will follow through with boycott threats for selling a sexist product. If they do not sell it, other people will boycott them for buckling or hitting their wallet by having to deal with a different importer with a higher mark up. Seems like such a stupid game to ensnared in controversy over, but this stuff rarely has any sense of proportion or logic to it.

 

[aspiegamer]

If a gaming company wants to basically release video game porn to men then let them, not really a controversy to me.

There is no actual controversy. The game hasn't even been released yet! The only controversy is a small gaming demographic pretending that they're victims of a conspiracy, in order to create a controversy. They're preemptively victimizing themselves.

It's important to note that if anything feminist critics are more forgiving towards DOA because it doesn't pretend to be anything other than it is.

Yup. It might basically be porn, but who actually cares? If anyone has any links to actual people demanding this game be banned somewhere, please post them! It'd be the first time I'd ever seen anything like that!

 

[sensui-tomo]

Same. I buy DOA games! (not DOAX, though) I'm not boycotting DOA. And again, Play-Asia will get my money when they're cheaper than the alternative, so yeah.

So you mean never lol... I've never seen them cheap, hell its why i posted that link to Japanese psn/nintendo cards earlier.. because i like cheaper stuff.

 

[L Thammy]

Seeing all of the "you don't even buy from Playasia, stop lying" strawmen in this thread just reminds me of how popular those types of arguments are with a certain group.

And there's also the ever-popular "she probably doesn't even play video games".

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Are you sure that connotation is well known in Asia though? I feel Americans are looking at these tweets from their perspective and getting a different vibe than intended.

Take it from someone who lived half his life in Malaysia, no one in Asia uses the term SJW. That tweet was by and for Westerners.

 

[RM8]

So you mean never lol... I've never seen them cheap, hell its why i posted that link to Japanese psn/nintendo cards earlier.. because i like cheaper stuff.

Once in a blue moon they have nice weekly sales. But yeah, there's pretty much always a cheaper alternative, lol.

 

[Quote]

No one cares they are selling some shitty game.

That is not the point.

 

[TurnipFritters]

This is going to blow up in PA's face either way. If they sell it, some people will follow through with boycott threats for selling a sexist product. If they do not sell it, other people will boycott them for buckling or hitting their wallet by having to deal with a different importer with a higher mark up. Seems like such a stupid game to ensnared in controversy over, but this stuff rarely has any sense of proportion or logic to it.

that is not even remotely close to what's happening

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

So you mean never lol... I've never seen them cheap, hell its why i posted that link to Japanese psn/nintendo cards earlier.. because i like cheaper stuff.

Actually, they are the cheapest online store selling Western-region video games that actually ship to Asia.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Are you sure that connotation is well known in Asia though? I feel Americans are looking at these tweets from their perspective and getting a different vibe than intended.

They linked breitbart, they know what they're doing.

 

[kuroneko0509]

This is going to blow up in PA's face either way. If they sell it, some people will follow through with boycott threats for selling a sexist product. If they do not sell it, other people will boycott them for buckling or hitting their wallet by having to deal with a different importer with a higher mark up. Seems like such a stupid game to ensnared in controversy over, but this stuff rarely has any sense of proportion or logic to it.

Have you seen the games they advertise front and center on that site?

 

[Lazulic]

it's one fuckin pr guys stupid tweet that's not even that bad or offensive. who is that fragile as a person that this loses them as a customer. god damn, every side of this shit is dumb.

will continue to import from them cause who gives a fuck

 

[ClearData]

I just really think Koei Tecmo made a business decision. Sales of the first two games never set the world on fire. Now, there were criticisms that DOA5 was a good enough fighting game that it didn't need the pandering or sexual overtones the series was known for.

IIRC correctly Hayashi remarked that the development team was aware that there was that current of criticism existed, but in the end the team wanted to stay true to fan expectations.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1936410

Now, did that kind of criticism prevent a western release of DOAX3? In my opinion KT wouldn't give a damn if they felt sales would be at a level of the main fighting series. The criticism gives them an excuse that doesn't anger fans that want the game as they don't have to admit it isn't worth their while to localize as they can blame it on some manufactured controversy.

I'm not going to blame some SJW bogeyman that Koei Tecmo would like to conveniently cite as a main motivating factor when in the past they had no problems releasing the main DOA series boobs, bikinis, and all. I also am not going to deride critics or Gaffers that don't like these games. That's okay too.

 

[sensui-tomo]

Actually, they are the cheapest online store selling Western-region video games that actually ship to Asia.

ah, my bad, i've only used them for psn credit in the past... until i found the other site.

 

[Eila]

This is all crazy.
Burn the internet. We were not ready.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

They linked breitbart, they know what they're doing.

What? I didn't even know that's what the link pointed to. Ok, they definitely know what they're doing and that's pretty dumb. I'll be glad to give YesAsia, NipponYassan and co a try.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

This is going to blow up in PA's face either way. If they sell it, some people will follow through with boycott threats for selling a sexist product. If they do not sell it, other people will boycott them for buckling or hitting their wallet by having to deal with a different importer with a higher mark up. Seems like such a stupid game to ensnared in controversy over, but this stuff rarely has any sense of proportion or logic to it.

No one cares that they're selling it. At all.

In fact, I'm not really sure that any notable figures have really been speaking out against the game at all. Certainly not to the point of wanting it banned or anything.

People are upset because Play-Asia is specifically using the language of a hate group and actively courting that audience. It reveals some ugly things about them, and people understandably don't want to give money to such a company.

If they had just continued selling the game and put out a mild mannered tweet saying "The game won't come out in the US, but we still have it", no one would be upset about any of this.

 

[DangerMouse]

Maybe extreme was the wrong word to use, maybe hasty would have been a better word but what I meant was it seems like people are being too quick to judge a company overall based on a few series of tweets from a low level employee.

I agree that the tweets were stupid but I have a hard time believing that whoever wrote those tweets speaks for the company overall. My guess is whoever wrote the tweets noticed the many articles posted today about it not getting a western release and they thought it would be "cute" to post those tweets in an effort to try and sway the people who are upset at no western release to buy from them. Stupid an immature? Sure business and politics have no place being mixed but does play asia have a history of tweets like this? I don't believe so.

Long story short its absolutely fine to be disgusted at the tweets but the pre-crowning of Play-Asia as a hateful company based of a rogue low level employee's tweets that are barely a few hours old just seems a bit hasty to me though I'm very interested in seeing what follow if any posts are made.

Though on the alternative shops part while true for the Japanese version, the asian version has very limited if any options to buy from and the English Saikyou Package has no alternative.

So much this.

No they aren't wrong at all but it seems to be the way they worded it thats upsetting people. I dont keep up with that SJW stuff so i judging by responses guess people hate that specific term. Eh understandable i guess. I just want doax3

This. Admittedly I don't get it either since I don't follow this stuff so I guess it's more especially the term of choice judging from these reactions. For the most part to me it felt like it was yet another low level PR guy choosing the wrong words that somehow caught fire while trying in vain why TK is suddenly pointlessly cautious with this when they've never had any issue releasing their fanservice games before let alone more risque stuff already being out there like RM8 said, while at the same time trying to push for some extra import sales by theorizing why TK is still acting like there's a reason they won't release it in the US with their obtuse comments like "we'd have to change stuff".

 

[charlequin]

It's important to note that if anything feminist critics are more forgiving towards DOA because it doesn't pretend to be anything other than it is.

Right, I mean, I don't think I've ever even seen serious critique of it here, when plenty of other games have gotten it -- about the harshest it's generally gotten are people saying it's childish and crass, which, again, it pretty clearly is.

I'm gay and I actually enjoyed the gameplay of the first game and I liked collecting the outfits and accessories for the game. Does that says I'm a pervert despite feeling no attraction to the material in the game?

I didn't say anything at all about anyone being a pervert tho? You would hardly be the first person to ever enjoy exploitation art without specifically getting off on it sexually, but that doesn't really say anything about whether the work is trashy or whether it panders sexually to a specific audience.

If they sell it, some people will follow through with boycott threats for selling a sexist product.

Who are these people? I'm sure you can identify concretely exactly who these people are who said that they will boycott Play-Asia for even being willing to sell DOAX3, and you didn't just pull this idea fully-formed out of your butt or anything.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Seeing all of the "you don't even buy from Playasia, stop lying" strawmen in this thread just reminds me of how popular those types of arguments are with a certain group.

And there's also the ever-popular "she probably doesn't even play video games".

Am I allowed to pull my eyeballs out of my head after reading that?

 

[notworksafe]

it's one thing for some niche indie studio to put out a borderline erotic game, it's another for a major game studio taking characters from a somewhat major gaming franchise and putting them in a game like this. would it be ok if square enix put out a tomb raider bikini volleyball game?

yes it would be okay. it's their franchise, they can do whatever they want with it.

 

[EmiPrime]

This is going to blow up in PA's face either way. If they sell it, some people will follow through with boycott threats for selling a sexist product. If they do not sell it, other people will boycott them for buckling or hitting their wallet by having to deal with a different importer with a higher mark up. Seems like such a stupid game to ensnared in controversy over, but this stuff rarely has any sense of proportion or logic to it.

Nobody cares that they are selling DOAX3. It's a joke of a series that doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't. It's comparatively benign compared to other videogames which are way more insidious in their misogyny.

The issue is their tweets and the pandering to GG.

 

[Mesoian]

This is going to blow up in PA's face either way. If they sell it, some people will follow through with boycott threats for selling a sexist product. If they do not sell it, other people will boycott them for buckling or hitting their wallet by having to deal with a different importer with a higher mark up. Seems like such a stupid game to ensnared in controversy over, but this stuff rarely has any sense of proportion or logic to it.

Or, more realistically, nothing will happen because no one actually cares about DOAX3, much in the same way no one cares about Senran Kagura or Queens Blade.