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[Blackleg-sanji1]

We do know lewd games will keep getting localized, though. Games much more shameless than DOAX, even, lol.

And im damn proud of it! Lol im still mad about the rmika butt slap tho!

 

[Suzushiiro]

Because there's literally no controversy anywhere about this game and so there is actually no possible explanation except that it's manufactured?



That factor being... the exact same type of media criticism that every previous game in the series has received and which has never affected the franchise's viability in America in any way?

The last Dead or Alive Xtreme game came out in 2006, six years before Anita Sarkeesian's Kickstarter and eight years before GG. In the past couple of years we've seen controversies over games that have as much if not less sexualizaton in them as DOAX3. It's completely reasonable to assume that DOAX3 would cause more of a shitstorm than previous games, because for better or for worse the climate has very obviously changed.

Don't get me wrong, as I said in my last post I'm pretty sure the main reason is just that it's a niche game that wouldn't turn a profit in the US anyway and they're just spinning it to make it look like they're not as much at fault and to encourage people to import the Asian release that coincidentally has an English translation just to spite the "SJWs" and blah blah etc etc. But the idea that there's be a shitstorm over the content isn't complete bullshit, just the idea that it would be to the point where it would be the sole reason to not release it here.

 

[Mesoian]

So I'm trying to figure out where this proposed blowback against Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 is coming from.

Let's take our own forum for example, where we're frequently accused of being a fascist censorship regime on the topic.

"Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 (PS4/Vita) - Debut Gameplay Teaser Trailer & Screenshots"

Despite being 365 posts long, I could not find a single condemning post in the thread. There is one post that says the game needs more men, but I'm relatively sure that's because the person wants to see hot dudes in the game, and is not a statement of needed equality.

It's the marketing machine at work.

This is going to be an interesting one to watch because it's pretty rare to see people go all in on a message that is, "THEY don't want you to have it, but you're a cool guy, you want it, and our friends have it, so even though we're not putting out where you are, because of THEM, you can still get it from our friends, who are like you, who are cool guys".

It's some early 90's breakfast cereal type shit.

The last Dead or Alive Xtreme game came out in 2006, six years before Anita Sarkeesian's Kickstarter and eight years before GG. In the past couple of years we've seen controversies over games that have as much if not less sexualizaton in them as DOAX3. It's completely reasonable to assume that DOAX3 would cause more of a shitstorm than previous games, because for better or for worse the climate has very obviously changed.

Don't get me wrong, as I said in my last post I'm pretty sure the main reason is just that it's a niche game that wouldn't turn a profit in the US anyway and they're just spinning it to make it look like they're not as much at fault and to encourage people to import the Asian release that coincidentally has an English translation just to spite the "SJWs" and blah blah etc etc. But the idea that there's be a shitstorm over the content isn't complete bullshit, just the idea that it would be to the point where it would be the sole reason to not release it here.

I mean, playing devil's advocate and saying you're right, not releasing the game in the west isn't going to stop game journalists from writing about it. It may get less official reviews, but you can be sure that there will be SEVERAL articles about it's contents, regardless of what regions it comes out in.

I mean seriously, look at this thread alone.

 

[Risette]

Except Koei Tecmo have said the exact same thing, the fact that they're quoting some clickbait site doesn't say anything other than that they have bad taste in journalism and are quoting something. Just the same way that someone quoting Kotaku doesn't mean that they support Kotaku being absolute scumbags, it just means that they are quoting something which just so happens to be shit and also pertain to what they're talking about.

using SJW unironically, retweeting gamergate harassment, posting one of the most prominent gamergate sites, are pretty surefire signs. breitbart isn't just some "clickbait" site — it's one of the biggest gamergate supporting sites.

btw the fact that you equate kotaku with breitbart kinda says a lot about you too, lol.

 

[Opto]

DOA volleyball has always been this dumb fanservice game that's been embarrassing. Back the hey day of X-Play, I can still remember Adam Sessler trying not to sound ashamed

 

[BiggNife]

I am fully expecting this to happen tomorrow

 

[Platy]

So I'm trying to figure out where this proposed blowback against Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 is coming from.

Let's take our own forum for example, where we're frequently accused of being a fascist censorship regime on the topic.

"Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 (PS4/Vita) - Debut Gameplay Teaser Trailer & Screenshots"

Despite being 365 posts long, I could not find a single condemning post in the thread. There is one post that says the game needs more men, but I'm relatively sure that's because the person wants to see hot dudes in the game, and is not a statement of needed equality.

It is the kind of game that will only receive backlash if they try to sell it like some progresive shit.

No "damn I want to play this AWESOME GAMEPLAY" is being lost to anyone who does not want to avoid such objetification, so it is kinda like going against a daikamura =P

"oh really, turning a girl into a pillow LITERALY objectify her ? I DIDN'T KNOW"

 

[L Thammy]

How big is play-asia? I can't imagine everyone who works there is okay with their official social media presence retweeting guys with this in their feed





I mean, these are the people play-asia would rather get cozy with?

Yeah...I feel like the reaction is overblown.

Seems to me it's more like the P-A twitter handler is oblivious about the whole Gamergate thing and how it changes the society climate in the US because you know....they're not in America or even an American.
It seem like a childish reactionary tweet based on the recent K-T statement.

These posts should be closer together. I think they make a good couple.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

How big is play-asia? I can't imagine everyone who works there is okay with their official social media presence retweeting guys with this in their feed





I mean, these are the people play-asia would rather get cozy with?

If I remember correctly, P-A is Hong Kong based so the guy running their twitter may not know or care what he's doing

 

[kurahador]

How do you explain them retweeting GamerGate stuff and posting a link to a Breitbart article on Facebook?

Maybe because it's an article that supports his narrative?

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

I don't have to establish that. I do not work for them.

That's the job of Koei-Tecmo to determine whether "people criticizing doa boobies" will impact sales. If Team Ninja's community manager, Koei Tecmo's official Twitter, and Play-Asia are correct, then Koei-Tecmo (not me) has determined that "people criticizing doa boobies" will either impact sales or cost the company in other ways.

It those sources are to be believed (we don't have any conflicting reports to go off of) then Koei-Tecmo's cost-benefit analysis has determined that "people criticizing doa boobies" were a big enough concern to pass on localization.



Of course they would. You're 100% correct. That's one of the biggest issues here. GTA is going to get criticized. COD is going to get criticized. These games are too big for publishers to seriously concern themselves about negative media attention. DOAX3 is a niche title so "preemptive fears over complaints" would likely be taken more seriously. In business, you don't have as much freedom when your margins are thin.

What are these hypothetical numbers that KT arr sitting on that tells them their pure fanservice game would have sold enough to be profitable if not for people complaining? I know you don't have any numbers, but what could they possibly be? What is the market segment that would have bought DOAX3 if it had been released 5 years ago, but won't today because of people criticizing the game on the internet? I just don't see how those people exist.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

They're signal boosting people who are upset with their tweet and a certain audience is eating it up and probably harassing them now.

...and preordering their DOAX3 Collector Edition for the low price of $139.99 +S&H. Fight the SJW dictatorship!™

 

[Lunar15]

Way to fuckin go, Tecmo. While I've got no doubt the release of the game over here would have caused some controversy, the way they handled their announcement has caused way worse shit now. Thanks guys, real bang up job.

And the whole "avoiding controversy" nonsense was bullshit. They're getting controversy regardless.

 

[Banana Aeon]

So I'm trying to figure out where this proposed blowback against Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 is coming from.

Let's take our own forum for example, where we're frequently accused of being a fascist censorship regime on the topic.

"Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 (PS4/Vita) - Debut Gameplay Teaser Trailer & Screenshots"

Despite being 365 posts long, I could not find a single condemning post in the thread. There is one post that says the game needs more men, but I'm relatively sure that's because the person wants to see hot dudes in the game, and is not a statement of needed equality.

Tecmo is trying some fuckery here. Drum up some false controversy. Oh wait, we heard you guys, so we are actually going to release it here.

Probably isn't going to work, but eh. That's marketing.

 

[Nephrahim]

What if it's actually the greatest game of all time?

 

[Haunted]

I am fully expecting this to happen tomorrow

Straub, always the observant comedian.

What if it's actually the greatest game of all time?

 

[SolicitorPirate]

100% This. Couldn't agree more.

This was a business decision by KT and I don't blame them because it is volatile in NA with these issues right now.

It's a shame because I was hoping the game would be released here. It amazes me how sensitive people are about stuff like this.

I am currently playing Dungeon Travellers 2. A game where I lead a harem of scantily clad girls against the forces of hot monster girls, and defeat them by ripping their clothes off. This is a game that is way dirtier than DOA and was released in 2015 with barely a word.

But sure. Let's all keep pretending there is an overly sensitive gaming boogeyman.

 

[Momentary]

I was thinking SJW was like some kind of Super Saiyan form. Man I'm too old and out of the loop on these things.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

If I remember correctly, P-A is Hong Kong based so the guy running their twitter may not know or care what he's doing

There's no mistaking now that the social media guy currently at the desk knows exactly what he's doing. It's, what, 2pm in hong kong? They have to at least be getting some murmurs that all is not okay in their english social media landscape.

 

[Mooreberg]

If I remember correctly, P-A is Hong Kong based so the guy running their twitter may not know or care what he's doing

"CHINA DON'T CARE."

 

[Deleted member 126221]

The last Dead or Alive Xtreme game came out in 2006, six years before Anita Sarkeesian's Kickstarter and eight years before GG. In the past couple of years we've seen controversies over games that have as much if not less sexualizaton in them as DOAX3. It's completely reasonable to assume that DOAX3 would cause more of a shitstorm than previous games, because for better or for worse the climate has very obviously changed.

Just like the huge controversies over Senran Kagura? Or Conception 2? Or Criminal Girls? Or...

 

[Jathaine]

I am currently playing Dungeon Travellers 2. A game where I lead a harem of scantily clad girls against the forces of hot monster girls, and defeat them by ripping their clothes off. This is a game that is way dirtier than DOA and was released in 2015 with barely a word.

But sure. Let's all keep pretending there is an overly sensitive gaming boogeyman.

Barely a word and barely any sales because barely anyone knows about it.
Love the game though.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Yes, although he's also an attention-seeking clown who regularly writes nonsensical screeds about media content that no one else in mainstream internet feminism is complaining about -- witness Mad Max Fury Road (which approximately every feminist on the internet was a huge fan of except for McIntosh, who said some dumb bullshit about how violence is inherently sexist) or Witcher 3 (which is in a series that's improved its depiction of women so massively over three games that even some of the most sensitive types were like "...wait what" about his complaints.)

Basically, I feel like if McIntosh is the only person someone can dig up as a feminist voice criticizing something, it suggests that thing is actually pretty much getting a pass.

You weren't kidding, just looked him up and was greeted to these:

The internet seems very excited about the prospect of seeing three dudes in funny outfits beat the crap out of each other on the big screen.

Thoroughly unimpressed by the new Avengers trailer. Are we tired of men punching each other in the face to solve their problems yet? *sigh*

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Where's Lik-Sang when you need them

 

[KingBroly]

Weird. Going by how they were talking about it a few months ago, I assumed there was some content reason as to why it wouldn't come over here, and it'd have to be re-worked/taken out to get rated over here, not backlash from people who are upset about the game itself.

 

[PetulantChild]

using SJW unironically, retweeting gamergate harassment, posting one of the most prominent gamergate sites, are pretty surefire signs. breitbart isn't just some "clickbait" site — it's one of the biggest gamergate supporting sites.

btw the fact that you equate kotaku with breitbart kinda says a lot about you too, lol.

Are we pretending now that scumbags with no journalism degrees tweeting shit about GG are any different than other scumbags with no journalism degrees pretending to be victims of big evil bethesda because now they have to actually pay for the games they review are any different? Guess what, they're both scumbags, hence I view them equally when someone quotes them, and that view is whoopity fucking doo you can quote things you don't necessarily agree with 100% of the time.

 

[Opto]

I was thinking SJW was like some kind of Super Saiyan form. Man I'm too old and out of the loop on these things.

I keep thinking the Wall Street Journal

 

[Hasney]

Maybe because it's an article that supports his narrative?

Maybe retweeting harassment is supporting it too?

 

[Soyongdori]

Where's Lik-Sang when you need them

 

[Hubb]

He also only made that comment earlier today, after they announced the game wasn't coming over here (so presumably just in response to that news).

So it's not like his opinion could have any impact on KT's decision. There's still no evidence that any fear of a backlash existed, or would have been well founded.

While I don't think that individual is stopping or can stop the game coming over, do you really think a Publisher doesn't have any forward thinking? Can a publisher not say, well in the past 2 years experiences from other games/media have been negative. It isn't worth the possible shitstorm for the return we will get for the game.

Someone doesn't have to be lobbying for this specific game, they are worried about the current environment, not someone targetting them.

Once again, I don't think that is the issue, but I also don't think you need a specific person or "prebacklash" before someone has to worry about a possible reaction.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Not even people on the far left pay attention to McIntosh.

He's like using Donald Tru--

I mean Ben Car--

Hrm.

Breitbart before he died? as a representative of the right.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

How big is play-asia? I can't imagine everyone who works there is okay with their official social media presence retweeting guys with this in their feed

I mean, these are the people play-asia would rather get cozy with?

You might not have noticed, but this is hot right now.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Where's Lik-Sang when you need them

Too soon. Really though, I miss Lik-Sang, I used to order from them all the time. Especially over Play-Asia, they always seemed more expensive.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Are we pretending now that scumbags with no journalism degrees tweeting shit about GG are any different than other scumbags with no journalism degrees pretending to be victims of big evil bethesda because now they have to actually pay for the games they review are any different? Guess what, they're both scumbags.

Brietbart actively incites brigades against women in journalism and gaming. Play-Asia is retweeting people with abhorrent racism in their feeds at least. This path you're heading down is a dead end.

 

[Quote]

...and preordering their DOAX3 Collector Edition for the low price of $139.99 +S&H. Fight the SJW dictatorship!™

Damn it. I accidentally clicked the link and now I know what DOAX3 is.

 

[rpmurphy]

Just like the huge controversies over Senran Kagura? Or Conception 2? Or Criminal Girls? Or...

Criminal Girls discussion is prohibited on GAF, btw.

 

[AtomskEater]

Where's Lik-Sang when you need them

I always feel bad when I see praise for an importer and I google them and their website has been defunct since about 5 years before I even started importing games.

RIP companies I never got a chance to order from.

 

[Jathaine]

Criminal Girls discussion is prohibited on GAF, btw.

I'm honestly surprised that Senran Kagura discussion isn't also banned.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Damn it. I accidentally clicked the link and now I know what DOAX3 is.

Wait..you didn't evn know what the game wasm..

 

[Dice//]

It's important to note that if anything feminist critics are more forgiving towards DOA because it doesn't pretend to be anything other than it is. It's not like the ever-growing breasts of Cortana in the Halo series, because that character is meant to be a serious character.

The responses I've seen to the series have ranged from dismissal, to amusement, to acceptance. I've never personally seen people foaming at the mouth trying to get the games banned.

Right here.
I've been in a ton of these kinds of topics going mostly against the blatant sexism in the industry. I don't care about games like Senran Kagura, the DoAX series, or anything in that line because it's so clearly not marketed towards my gender/preferences and its got its audience.

When mainstream games try to expand their market and want to be taken seriously with a bunch of sexualized designs, shots, etc. then I get annoyed.

DoAX? Have fun. It is what it is, I'm sure the people who would like it do.

 

[radios shipping overview]

Where's Lik-Sang when you need them

Man, RIP. They were one of the good ones.

 

[Famassu]

Yeah...I feel like the reaction is overblown.

Seems to me it's more like the P-A twitter handler is oblivious about the whole Gamergate thing and how it changes the society climate in the US because you know....they're not in America or even an American.
It seem like a childish reactionary tweet based on the recent K-T statement.

You don't have to be American to know about Gamergate and people being "Play-Asia is dumb" is not an "overblown" reaction. It's just calling their comment what it is. Not to even mention Play-Asia now fully embracing GGers' twitter-crap is ridiculously idiotic.

 

[Banana Aeon]

I'm honestly surprised that Senran Kagura discussion isn't also banned.

It's not hurting anyone.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Barely a word and barely any sales because barely anyone knows about it.
Love the game though.

Actually I remember hearing they're localising DT1 based on DT2s sales. So apparently it did pretty well.

 

[Opto]

Are we pretending now that scumbags with no journalism degrees tweeting shit about GG are any different than other scumbags with no journalism degrees pretending to be victims of big evil bethesda because now they have to actually pay for the games they review are any different? Guess what, they're both scumbags, hence I view them equally when someone quotes them, and that view is whoopity fucking doo you can quote things you don't necessarily agree with 100% of the time.

Did I miss the time Kotaku swatted Bethesda or doxxed their employees?

 

[cloudzack117]

this is kind of reminding me about when harada revealed that cat girl in tekken 7 and some people(tumblr) bitched about it, so harada said instead of getting the cute cat girl we are getting some homogeneous bald space marine guy. also when the artist of dragons crown sent jschreir the drawing of the big burly dwarves when he complained about the sorceros being a loli fantasy(LMAO)

 

[Suzushiiro]

Just like the huge controversies over Senran Kagura? Or Conception 2? Or Criminal Girls? Or...

Senran Kagura and Criminal Girls *did* have a fair amount of controversy over them, though. Hell, the latter was banned from dedicated discussion on this site partially because threads on it were inevitably going to become a shitstorm.

 

[Mesoian]

You weren't kidding, just looked him up and was greeted to these:

McIntosh may be the Armond White of gaming. I understand what he's trying to do, and I understand the way he feels, but god damn if everything he writes doesn't have a shred of empathy of a basic understanding of the general consensus.

"These action movies are a blight. I can't believe people still like watching the thing that we, as a species, have glorified for literally thousands upon thousands of years. WAKE UP SHEEPLE! But Transformers is one of the greatest movies of all time"

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Yes, although he's also an attention-seeking clown who regularly writes nonsensical screeds about media content that no one else in mainstream internet feminism is complaining about -- witness Mad Max Fury Road (which approximately every feminist on the internet was a huge fan of except for McIntosh, who said some dumb bullshit about how violence is inherently sexist) or Witcher 3 (which is in a series that's improved its depiction of women so massively over three games that even some of the most sensitive types were like "...wait what" about his complaints.)

Basically, I feel like if McIntosh is the only person someone can dig up as a feminist voice criticizing something, it suggests that thing is actually pretty much getting a pass.

I don't follow either of them on Twitter so I don't know about Anita's comments on Fury Road if she made any, but didn't she also join in with calling Witcher 3 sexist?

I think her videos for what it's worth are fine as depictions of tropes in gaming, but her twitter feed (especially during this year's E3) and comments on a lot of other topical stuff outside the realm of her work don't seem that far removed from what her more infamous partner thinks.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Are we pretending now that scumbags with no journalism degrees tweeting shit about GG are any different than other scumbags with no journalism degrees pretending to be victims of big evil bethesda because now they have to actually pay for the games they review are any different? Guess what, they're both scumbags, hence I view them equally when someone quotes them, and that view is whoopity fucking doo you can quote things you don't necessarily agree with 100% of the time.

You're really rocking that username lol