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[LiquidMetal14]

People who want it will buy it from them or another outlet.

 

[Finalantagonist]

This thread went down hill insanely quick, but at least I got something informative out of it - I had no idea turkey bacon was a thing! Huh, I'm morbidly curious.

I recommend Oscar Meyer's brand of turkey bacon. So good. Never order it from IHOP tho. Whatever they pass off as turkey bacon there is trash.

 

[Odrion]

AmaterasuOni do you or your band have a bandcamp or something? I want to hear this pearl-clutching inducing music myself.

 

[Forkball]

We've done it guys. We've gone from talking about a store deriding those who don't like a game where two girls butt slam each other to murders and neonazism. I think we all deserve a round of applause.

 

[K.Sabot]

Honest to god expect to hear playasia say DOAX3 is their most imported game ever.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

That backlash talk is just a passive aggressive way to justify a business decision while saying "don't criticize our games" and cajoling some people who love their persecution narrative.

The intersect between the group who would buy the game (which does nothing to hide its cheesecake and even thrives on it) and the group who would be turned off from buying it because someone said somewhere it was objectifying is minuscule at best.

If anything, the biggest backlash could come from the first group itself if K-T had to touch any character or costume for rating purposes.

So you're saying people like this don't exist?

 

[AmaterasuOni]

Dude, you are completely offtopic.

I know, I said it already. I just wanted to vent out some frustration, because the bigger thing touches me as well.

And one thing to ponder upon: why can't we talk about SJWs? They sure as hell like to talk everyone else. Why can't SJWs be criticised? There's an onslaught if you raise your voice against these justice warriors.

And I'm not saying all their agendas are in vain, just quite many of them. They seem to start their crusade from little 1st world problems. From things that doesn't matter at all, but they might have huge consequences if the internet borg starts to steamroll.

Well, I got to vent out shit. I'm off to die in Bloodborne.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

So you're saying people like this don't exist?

there's a change.org for literally everything.

 

[MDave]

Yes, because ISIS exists no one can ever criticize anything of lesser importance ever again.

You think I'm wrong?

Isn't it a waste of time to protest about a game thats apparently getting critised because off SJW's according to Play-Asia, that has turned out to be false?

Even if it were true, the game is the way it is because of the country / culture it came out of and its target audience. And there are females that play and enjoy the game too, this thread is proof it has them supporting it. People should move on and find something else more important to protest about if they need something to protest about.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

I don't get why every single one of these threads eventually has to turn to linking and talking about the corresponding KiA thread about this thread. Shit gets stupidly meta and nothing good ever comes out of it.

 

[Jintor]

You think I'm wrong?

Isn't it a waste of time to protest about a game thats apparently getting critised because off SJW's according to Play-Asia, that has turned out to be false?

Even if it were true, the game is the way it is because of the country / culture it came out of and its target audience. And there are females that play and enjoy the game too, this thread is proof it has them supporting it. People should move on and find something else more important to protest about if they need something to protest about.

it's more the general argument of 'more important things exist, therefore lesser issues don't matter'. It's a poor argument generally speaking.

I know, I said it already. I just wanted to vent out some frustration, because the bigger thing touches me as well.

And one thing to ponder upon: why can't we talk about SJWs? They sure as hell like to talk everyone else. Why can't SJWs be criticised? There's an onslaught if you raise your voice against these justice warriors.

frankly, it's because most people who use the term SJWs unironically eventually reveal themselves to... well, not really know what they're talking about.

that or bigots

 

[NinjamicWZ]

saying you dont think it should exist and actually denying something the right to exist are not hte same thing.

No, they're not, but advocating for things even if you don't have the power or desire to actually enforce them can have many tangible and discernible effects.

For example, Donald Trump suggesting that Muslims should carry special ID's may not be the same as him actually making them carry special ID's, but even proposing that kind of bullshit puts it on the table. If not roundly condemned and squelched as the irrational, dangerous lunacy that it is, these ideas push the political spectrum so far to the right that the middle-ground is now where the old far right used to be, with the former far right soon to be considered moderate. Additionally, it also terrifies concerned parties to even hear people talking about.

Although media is extremely important, this isn't in that realm of severity or concern. However, the analogy should make it clear that putting forth ideas is inherently advocating for them to be realized.

 

[Lord British]

And one thing to ponder upon: why can't we talk about SJWs? They sure as hell like to talk everyone else. Why can't SJWs be criticised? There's an onslaught if you raise your voice against these justice warriors.

And I'm not saying all their agendas are in vain, just quite many of them. They seem to start their crusade from little 1st world problems. From things that doesn't matter at all, but they might have huge consequences if the internet borg starts to steamroll.

They can be criticised. I have a lot of problems with the tactics of many progressives on the internet.

However, they had nothing to do with DOAX3.

 

[Malyse]

there's a change.org for literally everything.

Except preventing the sale of DOAX3 in the west.

 

[Sniffynose]

These people are not imaginary:

http://www.deathmetal.org/news/sjw-war-on-metal-heats-up/

Holy crap... it's like I mentioned in a few threads before, some people are going politically correct right up their own asses to the point where they are far worse then the things they are critical of.

The combined stupidity of social media is doing some really wondrous things =/

 

[SlipperyFishes]

I know, I said it already. I just wanted to vent out some frustration, because the bigger thing touches me as well.

And one thing to ponder upon: why can't we talk about SJWs? They sure as hell like to talk everyone else. Why can't SJWs be criticised? There's an onslaught if you raise your voice against these justice warriors.

And I'm not saying all their agendas are in vain, just quite many of them. They seem to start their crusade from little 1st world problems. From things that doesn't matter at all, but they might have huge consequences if the internet borg starts to steamroll.

Well, I got to vent out shit. I'm off to die in Bloodborne.

What's the opposite of a SJW by the way?

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

So you're saying people like this don't exist?

Palette Swap did say that the intersection between the group who would buy the game (which does nothing to hide its cheesecake and even thrives on it) and the group who would be turned off from buying it because someone said somewhere it was objectifying is minuscule at best, making me not even certain that the group who would buy the game, who also would be turned off from buying it because someone said somewhere it was objectifying and the group who made a petition to withdraw GTA V from stores have any intersection at all.

 

[Machina]

We've done it guys. We've gone from talking about a store deriding those who don't like a game where two girls butt slam each other to murders and neonazism. I think we all deserve a round of applause.

Lol yep. Seriously, what have we lost by not getting this game? Watching boob giggle physics got old in 2002 when the first DOAX came out with the low poly boobs and poorly integrated perv camera. these games are literally video game junk food.

 

[Joeku]

So right-wing neonazism can't be considered as fascism because they're not in power? That is not logical.

So are...are you saying neonazis are stabbing people they claim are nazis all in the name of right-wing idealism they claim is combating right-wing ideals?

Because if that's what you're saying, I want to ask you about literally everything going on in the world because it would be entertaining as hell.

 

[Soliloquy]

frankly, it's because most people who use the term SJWs unironically eventually reveal themselves to... well, not really know what they're talking about.

that or bigots

A flimsy excuse. So where do you get your definition?

What's the opposite of a SJW by the way?

People that don't use internet?

 

[MDave]

it's more the general argument of 'more important things exist, therefore lesser issues don't matter'. It's a poor argument generally speaking.

But what I'm saying is there is no issue in the first place since it isn't true what Play-Asia said, I said it in that way because of that. Unless they are correct to blame SJW's for it?

 

[BocoDragon]

Lol yep. Seriously, what have we lost by not getting this game? Watching boob giggle physics got old in 2002 when the first DOAX came out with the low poly boobs and poorly integrated perv camera. these games are literally video game junk food.

It's high poly now though. Completely different!

 

[Noray]

I know, I said it already. I just wanted to vent out some frustration, because the bigger thing touches me as well.

And one thing to ponder upon: why can't we talk about SJWs? They sure as hell like to talk everyone else. Why can't SJWs be criticised? There's an onslaught if you raise your voice against these justice warriors.

And I'm not saying all their agendas are in vain, just quite many of them. They seem to start their crusade from little 1st world problems. From things that doesn't matter at all, but they might have huge consequences if the internet borg starts to steamroll.

Well, I got to vent out shit. I'm off to die in Bloodborne.

Here's the thing: almost every single argument against "SJWs" is inherently a strawman. To your mind, they're all the same people, with the same agenda, doing the same things, which isn't the case. There's no grand conspiracy. All these youtube assholes who make anti-Feminist Frequency all focus on discrediting Anita rather than actually engaging with her arguments.

So on the left you have a whole group of people, nebulously defined as SJWs by some, who produce progressive media criticism, some good, some bad. They aren't united, they aren't an entity. And on the right you have "anti-SJWs" tilting at windmills. It's almost never actually about argumentation. It's all ad hominem nonsense.

 

[Lord British]

People that don't use internet?

I saw what you edited, you big silly.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

there's a change.org for literally everything.

Palette Swap did say that the intersection between the group who would buy the game (which does nothing to hide its cheesecake and even thrives on it) and the group who would be turned off from buying it because someone said somewhere it was objectifying is minuscule at best, making me not even certain that the group who would buy the game, who also would be turned off from buying it because someone said somewhere it was objectifying and the group who made a petition to withdraw GTA V from stores have any intersection at all.

But they succeeded. The game was withdrawn, and the group which was interested thus lost their ability to buy the game without resorting to importing.

 

[Jakten]

I can only speak locally. Here in Finland SJWs are the hipsters, they attack everything they think is wrong. That is fascism.

 

[Jintor]

But what I'm saying is there is no issue in the first place since it isn't true what Play-Asia said, I said it in that way because of that. Unless they are correct to blame SJW's for it?

I think it's unclear whether or not you could say "techmo-koei has decided that the market will not support a niche but high-profile game we sell mainly on boob/butts right now due to various issues that are more important to north american markets".

There is a slightly different issue with the idea that Play-Asia has taken to wink-wink-nudge-nudge criticisising "SJWs" and then retweeting responses, probably to tap into that market or boost its own profile or whatever.

But you're right, this is pretty stupid

 

[Sapiens]

http://s29.postimg.org/6s6xymulz/playasia.png[img]

[B]That's one way to lose business[/B].[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but they've treated me very well as a customer over the last several years. I doubt one tweet will change my shopping habits or those of many others.

Also, DOAX3 not coming west? That is kind of bullshit and I don't even care for this kind of embarrassing shit in games.

 

[ODDI]

I wake up to this thread and it's freaking 29 pages long, good morning Gaf.

 

[Noray]

But they succeeded. The game was withdrawn, and the group which was interested thus lost their ability to buy the game without resorting to importing.

Not really, two store chains withdrew it. It was still for sale in the country. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30328314

 

[Soliloquy]

I saw what you edited, you big silly.

But maybe it's only you that saw what I edited. :|

But I find this topic blown out of proportion.... over a game that didn't even get released yet.

 

[Jintor]

A flimsy excuse. So where do you get your definition?

of what term

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

Not really, two store chains withdrew it. It was still for sale in the country. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30328314

Sorry, that was a misreading on my part. Still, those were two major chains, and that was before Anita Sarkeesian became as big as she is now. Who knows what would happen if GTA V came out in 2015.

 

[Jintor]

Sorry, that was a misreading on my part. Still, those were two major chains, and that was before Anita Sarkeesian became as big as she is now. Who knows what would happen if GTA V came out in 2015.

It did again on PC, but I suspect that's not what you're talking about

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Sorry, that was a misreading on my part. Still, those were two major chains, and that was before Anita Sarkeesian became as big as she is now. Who knows what would happen if GTA V came out in 2015.

I think you're overestimating how much influence people have over an industry that has remained largely silent while Gamergate has gone on for a year and a half

 

[Soliloquy]

of what term

Of sjw? I think this particular word floats around the internet, so there's no official dictionary that added the word. In a way, it's almost just the word you see only in the internet.

 

[SlipperyFishes]

A flimsy excuse. So where do you get your definition?

People that don't use internet?

Nice stealth edit. It was originally "everyone else"

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

But they succeeded. The game was withdrawn, and the group which was interested thus lost their ability to buy the game without resorting to importing.

and is there anything wrong with that? I don't agree with their reasons nor their actions but they used legal means for a willing change afaik.

Nothing would stop people that want to buy it to try and undo their efforts and I wouldn't berate them for it.

 

[Noray]

Sorry, that was a misreading on my part. Still, those were two major chains, and that was before Anita Sarkeesian became as big as she is now. Who knows what would happen if GTA V came out in 2015.

Anita had nothing to do with that campaign...?

I'm so confused by people blame SJW boogiemen for stuff like this. You got an issue with the decision, take it up with the company, goddamn. It seems so obvious to me. Two stores decide to pull a product they don't want to associate their brand with. Happens literally every day, but you'd think the sky was falling, looking at how some people (who are COMPLETELY unaffected) react to it.

 

[dity]

The whole thread seems pretty done. Is it accepted now that the outrage here has been manufactured, whether it be an excuse for not wanting a game without next to no buzz surrounding it or otherwise? Cos honestly it just seems that way to me. There's more outrage from everywhere about the claim being used to cancel a translation than there was before the tweets were made. I hadn't even heard of the game before this thread!

But maybe it's only you that saw what I edited. :|

All the rational people saw it, too. Really.

 

[Jintor]

Of sjw? I think this particular word floats around the internet, so there's no official dictionary that added the word. In a way, it's almost just the word you see only in the internet.

At this point I commonly understand SJW to mean "this person cares about something that I don't and I have to shit on them for it"

As was discussed early in the thread, it used to mean "This person takes political correctness to an extreeeeemeeeeeeee!" but the predominant usage now is extremely broad and even more perjorative

 

[Soliloquy]

Anita had nothing to do with that campaign...?

I'm so confused by people blame SJW boogiemen for stuff like this. You got an issue with the decision, take it up with the company, goddamn. It seems so obvious to me. Two stores decide to pull a product they don't want to associate their brand with. Happens literally every day, but you'd think the sky was falling, looking at how some people (who are COMPLETELY unaffected) react to it.

Meh, who remembers when the conservatives were the boogieman before this shenanigan? Me.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

But they succeeded. The game was withdrawn, and the group which was interested thus lost their ability to buy the game without resorting to importing.

DOAX3 is not GTAV. The whole point of the post you're responding to is to posit this Tecmo-Koei game has neither the influence nor the mindshare to have people who would raise a fuss about it, if any, make any tangible dent to both their sales and reputation.

 

[Amakuni]

Don't know if this was posted yet, but Play-asia's blaming SJW for not bringing over DOA is a direct response to:

So I think it's fair to say all this social media drama that's been happening the past year or two directly impacted their decision not to localize the game.

I think Play-Asia's tweet was a bit poorly worded, it's not the fault of feminists/SJW's/progressives/ect. that this game isn't brought to the west. It's the publishers fault for interpreting harassment of women in gaming as a red flag not to release the game, which is pretty much the video game equivalent of Baywatch. Because in their mind, people would find that really offensive.

Sadly, developers and publishers are interrupting "better gender representation in games" as unnecessary censorship in localization and "We're not going to even bother bringing this game over, because we don't want to deal with potential social media backlash." which is pretty shitty.

 

[TheSpoiler]

The whole thread seems pretty done. Is it accepted now that the outrage here has been manufactured, whether it be an excuse for not wanting a game without next to no buzz surrounding it or otherwise? Cos honestly it just seems that way to me. There's more outrage from everywhere about the claim being used to cancel a translation than there was before the tweets were made. I hadn't even heard of the game before this thread!



All the rational people saw it, too. Really.

To be fair, I doubt most of the people complaining were going to buy it anyway.

 

[Corpekata]

But they succeeded. The game was withdrawn, and the group which was interested thus lost their ability to buy the game without resorting to importing.

Uh. Do you think Kmart and Target are the only stores in Australia?

 

[Lord British]

Nice stealth edit. It was originally "everyone else"

It was something a little more brazen than that when I first saw it.

 

[Noray]

Don't know if this was posted yet, but Play-asia's blaming SJW for not bringing over DOA is a direct response to:

So I think it's fair to say all this social media drama that's been happening the past year or two directly impacted their decision not to localize the game.

I think Play-Asia's tweet was a bit poorly worded, it's not the fault of feminists/SJW's/progressives/ect. that this game isn't brought to the west. It's the publishers fault for interrupting harassment of women in gaming as a red flag not to release the game, which is pretty much the video game equivalent of Baywatch. Because in their mind, people would find that really offensive.

Sadly, developers and publishers are interrupting "better gender representation in games" as unnecessary censorship in localization and "We're not going to even bother bringing this game over, because we don't want to deal with potential social media backlash." which is pretty shitty.

this post really confused me until I realized "interrupting" is supposed to be "interpreting"

 

[Henkka]

You have no idea what fascism means, but please, keep fighting the SJW boogiemen. Calling it nazism is fucking gross. This is extraordinary drivel. If this post is meant to be parody, perfect example of Poe's Law

There was no campaign against this game. They're just drumming up some controversy. So tacky.

Open and shut case. http://jeff.zone/post/133896303626/what-do-you-think-of-the-whole-doax3-stuff-is-we

I'll just quote what Jeff said:

Those games have never been good and I don’t think they’ve done particularly well over here, either. This sounds like them attaching some kind of half-assed controversy to their lackluster franchise in an attempt to grab headlines and, if they’re lucky, import dollars. They should stamp “TOO HOT FOR THE USA” on the disc to rope in more rubes, while they’re at it. Those consoles are region-free. Anyone who wants that thing will be able to get it.

To answer your other question, no, I don’t think this is the start of a trend.

As much as I respect the guy, I'm not buying it. The idea that a major Japanese publisher would conspire to stir controversy in hopes of getting import dollars from gamergaters just doesn't sound plausible to me. We'll never know what exactly went down, but here's my gut feeling:

1) During the development of the game, the issue of western localization in the current climate is raised. Some say it's not worth it due to potential PR backlash, and the issue is hotly debated internally.

2) In the end, the side arguing against localization wins out. In addition to PR concerns, they probably did point out that the game wouldn't sell that much anyway.

3) Play-Asia learns of this through internal contacts. They make an incendiary tweet guaranteed to get headlines, plausibly in an attempt to get publicity and "import dollars".

That's just my best guess, though. Now, whether or not their PR concerns were merited is a different issue. As many have pointed out, the game didn't seem to be getting any backlash in previews. Additionally, games like Bayonetta 2 were received just fine despite sexual content. I don't really see a reason why this game would've been treated differently in the west compared to earlier entries in the franchise.

 

[Soliloquy]

At this point I commonly understand SJW to mean "this person cares about something that I don't and I have to shit on them for it"

As was discussed early in the thread, it used to mean "This person takes political correctness to an extreeeeemeeeeeeee!" but the predominant usage now is extremely broad and even more perjorative

Damn, before 2010, I think it only had one positive meaning. It got confusing when the definition gets too broad.