I don't even think there was enough buzz for people to complain about the game. It's some random Japanese game, the only people paying attention are the people who already care about DOA. To everyone else the game might as well have not existed. Heck, I've played DOA5 and even I had forgotten about that game until this thread.
Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west
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I don't even think there was enough buzz for people to complain about the game. It's some random Japanese game, the only people paying attention are the people who already care about DOA. To everyone else the game might as well have not existed. Heck, I've played DOA5 and even I had forgotten about that game until this thread.
Don't know if this was posted yet, but Play-asia's blaming SJW for not bringing over DOA is a direct response to:
So I think it's fair to say all this social media drama that's been happening the past year or two directly impacted their decision not to localize the game.
I think Play-Asia's tweet was a bit poorly worded, it's not the fault of feminists/SJW's/progressives/ect. that this game isn't brought to the west. It's the publishers fault for interrupting harassment of women in gaming as a red flag not to release the game, which is pretty much the video game equivalent of Baywatch. Because in their mind, people would find that really offensive.
Sadly, developers and publishers are interrupting "better gender representation in games" as unnecessary censorship in localization and "We're not going to even bother bringing this game over, because we don't want to deal with potential social media backlash." which is pretty shitty.
Considering Itagaki said something similar in 2006 I wouldn't take this as definitive.
Sniffynose
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I don't think the VR porn industry is going to give a shit who they offend with their games in a few years.
Rules bend all the time for money =P
Rules bend all the time for money =P
TheSlySoul
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Fanservice games are a tricky thing in this PC world. I can see why they would not bring over Xtreme 3.
Edit: Also PC =/= SJWs. SJWs harass a fan artist toward trying suicide.
Edit: Also PC =/= SJWs. SJWs harass a fan artist toward trying suicide.
Palette Swap
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1346 posts before someone tries to prove a point using a YouTube gator?
That's almost a positive.
That's almost a positive.
Also both if those stotes barely sell games now, with Kmart selling nothing ourside of toys to life.
GTAV "ban" was a nothing event, almost a year after the game first came out, in stores that account for less than 1% of all game sales on Australia.
Were it JB hifi, EB games or maybe BigW, then it might have actually meant something.
Actually, that was Steven Universe fans.
As such that's more of an indictment of fandom than 'SJW's
For other terribleness, see Bronies and Gamers.
So who has told you that you can't have this game?
They aren't tricky at all. Jesus, people really have zero perspective. We get way more fanservice games than we ever did 10 years ago. Things like Senran Kagura wouldn't have been localized then. Nudity and sex are more prevalent in games now than several years ago where there would be outrage at the slight mention of sex.
Holy shit someone actually brought up the #MetalGate bullshit that GG tried to make a thing for like two days about a year ago. I'm dead.
No one has the right anyway. But a lot of people think it shouldn't exist at all, and try to shove their opinion down people's throats.
And some call them progressive XD
TheSlySoul
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Yeah, that was mainly my point. PC is mostly passive-aggressive toward stuff they do not like. SJWs are agressive and hostile. The "SJW" term is grossly misused like "epic".
But a good chunk is non-AAA. Cannot recall a fan service AAA game in a long time. ME3 got lots of flack for its sex scenes.
lol this world. Who cares about anything related to that? I don't give a shit if they want to sell a game where you can look at beautiful animated girls with new physics. Just let people decide if they want to buy it or not. Sometimes I am hoping for something very big to happen to this world so that people don't care about shit like this anymore.
Indeed. It's incredible for all this complaining when the number of boob games is at an all time high.
See, everyone? Works like clockwork. :-D
sensui-tomo
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The thread talking about that was my first gaf thread ... back when i lurked... oh how the time goes by.
Thank god they never saw The witcher series.... this stupid segment was about mass effect.
Nah, i would anyway XD
Palculator
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To be fair, the original threads about this game have already been full of people saying they will import it and the ongoing thread by miku has had specific instructions for Play-Asia importing long before the current events.
Not trying to deny the "no publicity is bad publicity" principle, but it's not the only factor here.
The thread talking about that was my first gaf thread ... back when i lurked... oh how the time goes by.
Thank god they never saw The witcher series.... this stupid segment was about mass effect.
i vaguely remember the threads about the trading cards back when it first came out.
honestly, those cards were better than whatever else was masquerading as 'edgy' in-game sex scenes in other games. remember hot coffee?
Re: the second, Witcher 3 has a buttload of sex scenes, although I guess with GoT around these days people give less of a shit about medeval sexy-times.
Re: the first, it's pretty funny, this definition war over SJW.
I see some people mention Amiami as an alternative in the first page and feel I have to say, I wouldn't exactly say they are a good/great alternative (though I do use them). You are pretty much not allowed to cancel once you have made an order from them plus they don't tend to get stock back in once they have sold out (at least not that I've seen).
They are good for pre-orders though as long as you know you won't need to cancel it (due to a change in circumstance or anything like that)
They are good for pre-orders though as long as you know you won't need to cancel it (due to a change in circumstance or anything like that)
Clearly some people want to change that though.
Considering Itagaki said something similar in 2006 I wouldn't take this as definitive.
That quote is from the game's designer in 2006 who is no longer with the company. The Facebook response is from developers (whoever handles their social media accounts) almost a week ago. One is regarding omitting in-game content and the other is refusing to localize a game in a market directly because of on-going issues.
I really think their decision not to bring over the game is because they think they'll get mobbed on social media, and would rather not deal with it all together.
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A straw man is going to have a difficult time shoving their opinion down anyone's throat.
TheSlySoul
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Yeah, I feel Game of Thrones existing is why Witcher 3 and God of War is not a big deal to people.
Most AAA developers are smart making sexy stuff DLC. Main game is clean, fan service costume pack $5.
machemachete
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Glad I ordered from them.
And yes, they are right.
And yes, they are right.
At the time of that quote he was with the company. So the comparison is completely valid.
The issue isn't 'SJWs' it's financial.
The previous games have sold a combined total of 840k between them. 590k for the original and 250k for the sequel.
Factor in distribution costs and it doesn't make sense to distribute to all territories.
Importing is easy now, so the idea is to release in home territory and allow those outside to import.
Blaming 'SJWs' is a really good way to drum up interest. See Hatred and Huniepop for good examples.
DICKS AHOY
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That was absolutely due to a popular fanartist getting a ton of harassment I saw with my own eyes on Tumblr over drawing SU characters slightly too thin or slightly too light and similarly dumb 'ableist' accusations documented over several different 'shame' blogs. I don't want to piss people off here, but I would absolutely call that 'political correctness gone mad'. I'm not really sure what else to call it. It was just an incredibly ugly, stupid situation that even the show's creators had to get involved with.
The SU fandom on Tumblr actually does have a really nasty habit of getting way too over-protective with the series since they particularly relate to its more progressive themes. I think the show is great, but fans need to lay off the gatekeeping.
I love Geoff's orgasm face here.The thread talking about that was my first gaf thread ... back when i lurked... oh how the time goes by.
Thank god they never saw The witcher series.... this stupid segment was about mass effect.
Vlaphor
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You can cancel from AmiAmi, but it isn't easy and they specifically say to not do it too many times. I've had to cancel from them before.
I understand what you're implying, but in reality these strawmen exist, and they are just weak, insecure people, who just want something to whine about.
And indeed, they're gonna have a difficult time shoving anything down people's throats.
sensui-tomo
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unlike some features in FE fates or cidney from FF15... no I've never seen a soul complain about this game ... except complain that it costs too much for importing :/ Hell i've seen more gaf members pre-order this game than protest it or complain about it. I'm still on team "koei is getting free publicity for this game" cause they've released deception 4 which ... well is the nichiest shit i've ever seen and they're bringing its expansion westside... hell they just brought over Dynasty warriors 8 empires on the vita over here (i dont think it'll sell much)
captainpat
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No, but with games media in the west the way it is it was probably going to get a lot of bad press, which for whatever (dumb) reason KT wants to avoid.
Didn't know that but not doing it too many times and not being easy sort of proves my point. Online stores should really all have the ability to cancel as a feature on their account/order management stuff.
Too bad Amazon JP doesn't ship games here otherwise I'd exclusively use them. They are great whenever I order anything else from them.
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No one cares if this game gets an NA release. If it did, it would go largely unnoticed by anyone who isn't a fan.
sensui-tomo
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Only from fucking polygon and kotaku if DC was anything to go buy... and hell it did Streisand effect... Maybe Jason will actually call out the right character that is a lolicon (he thought the WITCH was a lolicon)
Give War A Chance
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Kinda how I feel about this. Not saying it's wrong or right; it is exactly what it is.
TheSlySoul
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Yeah, plus the second game did not do that well. It is not SJWs as the twitter claims.
Battlechili
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But Play Asia isn't the one who said that. They're just repeating the words of some journalist websites who inferred that from statements by the Dead or Alive team on their official Facebook page. The exact original statement was "Do you know many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry? We do not want to talk those things here. But certainly we have gone through in last year or two to come to our decision. Thank you." as a response to the question of why the game was never coming to the West.
It seems to me that Tecmo are, rightly, too embarrassed to release this masturbation fodder in the west. The Japanese market has a sizeable audience for this type of software and a game industry that does not really care about inappropriate representation of women in media.
The audience for this game is much smaller in the west and our media are much more liable to generate bad press for Tecmo over this utterly tactless piece of software. If they wanted to at least pretend they were making a game and not a masturbation aid, they could at least have added some male characters.
The audience for this game is much smaller in the west and our media are much more liable to generate bad press for Tecmo over this utterly tactless piece of software. If they wanted to at least pretend they were making a game and not a masturbation aid, they could at least have added some male characters.
sensui-tomo
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Koei-tecmo has sold games with worse sales over here and brought their expansions overseas recently, so its not a fear of sales either. Which is why its got to be a dumb marketing ploy.
captainpat
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Eh, they've brought over worse and it wouldn't be an gargantuan for them to bring it over here, especially if they make it digital only.
no it's just Play Asia throwing feminists under the bus to drum up a controversy that doubles down on a hateful segment of consumers in order to increase sales.
Battlechili
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I heard that the games sell better here than they do in Japan though. And I hear the games are also genuinely quality fighting games. Its just that that's not why people buy the games, considering there are plenty of other good fighting games out there.
The source isn't Play Asia. The Dead or Alive team on Facebook are the ones that brought this up and claimed such things.
sensui-tomo
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exactly, it wouldnt cost them anything since it's already got an english sub for the asian release + KT hasnt been using english dubs for their flagship titles as of recent (hell jim sterling makes a note of this in his DW video he did a week or 2 ago)
Looking a little further, and Dead or Alive 5 has only sold 1.25m units across all formats worldwide.
That coupled with 840k for BOTH Xtreme games worldwide probably makes the reason for this completely clear.
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