Street Fighter V Roster Discussion |Thread 2| Deal with it & place your hope for DLC
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TheSpoiler
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As far as I remember, Urien said that Chun Li was the one who's iron legs took down Shadaloo. So him saying that to her while he was the one doing it wouldn't make sense. But lolstreetfighterplot tho.
Necalli is probably going to get a Super Saiyan God Super Sayian mode on top of his normal shit, so I doubt it'll be just regular flavored.
Spinosaurus
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Balrog will be the first DLC because it's only appropriate what with the game currency's name and all.
I'LL BET MY FIGHT MONEY ON IT
I'LL BET MY FIGHT MONEY ON IT
What would there be to gain by retconning Third Strike? I'm genuinely curious. I mean, it's not like it fucked up SF's narrative. It's incredibly easy to advance from TS' plot. Capcom just seem hesitant to do it for some reason.
Stone Ocean
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Not having to deal with botched timelines and fanfic level stuff like Ryu training with Oro
They'd be able to do what they want storyline wise without having to be careful about 3s' crazy plot line
Did he really say iron legs?
If this is about how Makato, Ibuki ect. are relatively the same age in SF4 and SF3 then this is mis-informed. The time gap between SSF4 and New Generation is only three years so it somewhat makes sense for those characters to have not drastically changed age-wise.
I can see where some people are coming from but the only thing I thought that was crazy in TS was how religious they made Gill and his mission, unless that's what you're talking about.
Yes, he does.
Arc Christelle
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So are y'all just trolling Scotia about 3S or sprouting what ever nonsense that comes to mind?
To this day, Capcom vs SNK's rainy Osaka street is still one of my favorite Capcom backgrounds.
New Generation is like Alpha 1, so it's not really canon, but 2nd Impact and 3rd Strike take place in 98 and 99 specifically. So it's more like a 4-5 year gap.
My guess (hope) based on that tutorial is that they're going to retcon a lot of things and have the story mode gloss over a character's story across multiple games. It lets them set a difinitive and sensible version of the story going forward, and would allow them to give characters with no story presence something. All that's predicated on whether they care enough, have the budget, or if they want to actually go in that direction.
I really, really hope Capcom release an official timeline of this series just to clean this shit up. I want them to state which games are canon, which characters area canon, which rivalries are canon and just let us know what the fuck is going on this game's world. Not only would it benefit us but it would greatly benefit Capcom so that they can finally decide where to take this series. I'm sick of being stuck in this pre-SF3 limbo.
Septimus Prime
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All I know is, according to that tutorial, Ryu knew how to parry even back in the Alpha days. He just never got around to using it until now.
TheSpoiler
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Really, the most they'd have to retcon are the ages. Most of everything else can stay since nothing really happens in 3 anyway. I REALLY hope Alex's story has him beating the shit outta Balrog like that promotional art.
3 being the final game in the timeline is kind of depressing.
Gill being the ultimate final boss in Street Fighting lore is just the lamest it can get.
I am all for 3 being retconned, or 5 happening after 3 (and not having Gill as FB...at least give me Urien, dunno, anything is better than Gill).
Gill being the ultimate final boss in Street Fighting lore is just the lamest it can get.
I am all for 3 being retconned, or 5 happening after 3 (and not having Gill as FB...at least give me Urien, dunno, anything is better than Gill).
Slamtastic
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Gill is really underrated.
How you gonna say an immortal god man is any lamer boss than evil military general man and evil version of the protagonist (but not the actual evil version of the protagonist, that's a different character)
How you gonna say an immortal god man is any lamer boss than evil military general man and evil version of the protagonist (but not the actual evil version of the protagonist, that's a different character)
Since when Gill is a god? He's just some powerful nutcase with a Messiah Complex.
For starters, worst final boss name in the series. Like by far.
So he's instant shit because of that? Wow.
Well it is not exactly starting with the best foot.
He is also known for injuring Tom, and stealing Dudley's car...which is not exactly villain material? Also was beaten by his actually evil brother Urien...and still got promoted to Emperor? sounds like the pampered kid to Urien actually go-getter villain.
Septimus Prime
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He didn't steal it. He bought it. Like a boss.
Troubled Bat
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He let Urien win.
ãInaba Residentã
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He did stuff like that for his end game goal which is the end of the world and then repopulating it.
Except he lost to Urien on purpose. The idea behind Gill is that he's the (potentially reincarnating) god being/messiah in charge of the actual illuminati; the reason every interaction he has with the cast is super vapid and nothing, is because those interactions are actually super vapid nothing coincidences that don't actually matter at the scale he works at. He's just "nice" and "altruistic" enough to humor them, throw a couple matches, and then give them whatever they want back since he doesn't need it anymore.
Septimus Prime
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In Dudley's case, Dudley wanted to buy his car back, but Gill said no and asked Dudley to fight him for it. Then he beat Dudley's ass and gave him the car back.
That alone is way cooler than anything Bison ever did.
God... Just reading half the crap above is triggering me. What a terrible, terrible mess. Everything but the most primitive aspects of the story need to be HEAVILY retconned. This could be a fresh start. Establish a clean, coherent story. It is time to bring the single player side closer to the multiplayer side. It would be incredibly beneficial for their bottom line as a lot of people buy these games for single player content.
Today I found that you can use your Whirlwind Shot to improve the Front Flip with Rashid. Cool stuff.
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-vOwa5vip4
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-vOwa5vip4
Cindi Mayweather
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SFIII should be retconned by virtue of characters like Twelve anyways.
Also, all of this stuff about story in SF when literally every part of arcade mode is just fighting the enemies and beating their asses. Where's this talk of 3S story coming from? The endings? SF story confuses me in general. Like Ryu's story section on his wiki for SFIV is him escaping an exploding factory and stuff? Where? When? All of these characters details and stuff from bloody win quotes. Just bad in general.
Play Guilty Gear to see how it's done.
Also, all of this stuff about story in SF when literally every part of arcade mode is just fighting the enemies and beating their asses. Where's this talk of 3S story coming from? The endings? SF story confuses me in general. Like Ryu's story section on his wiki for SFIV is him escaping an exploding factory and stuff? Where? When? All of these characters details and stuff from bloody win quotes. Just bad in general.
Play Guilty Gear to see how it's done.
Mika existing. I hear they're going to do it like
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This all sounds so bad that I am ok with V retconning III and just having Gill be some crazyo while Urien pulls the strings.
It is just a messy, silly story. Basically they need to cut the majority that has occurred. Almost all of Alpha (I love the Alpha series, but the story was full of nonsense and contradictions), with the exception of a few key aspects (Charlie's death) and the origin story of the character introduced in it (the ones that are worth keeping, at least). Cut the silly stuff from SF3. Gill being president, losing the fight with Urien on purpose so he could be secret president level two. A great deal of what occurred in SF4... Make sure to have tied up all the dangling lose ends that have been hanging around for forever (satsui no hado). Basically, the story is a wreck, it needs to be consolidated and cleaned up. I would like to be more specific, but I would actually have to research the very stupid story, my brain hasn't bothered holding on to much of it.
I think if you removed everything stupid from Street Fighter's story there would barely be anything left.
Would anyone care?
I agree the series needs to be retconned, but I wouldn't stop at III. Because in the end the biggest problem is the fact that III still takes place around 1997 and is billed as the new generation, but I'd imagine by the end of V, it will serve as the chronological introduction of only 3 or 4 characters. IV's story is also loaded with anachronisms, Chun Li uses a laptop, viper and ken have cell phones and the car in the minigame looks like a mid 2000's model. While none of this blows open the plot, I think it shows Capcom or whoever is in charge of the story really trying to push it into present but in doing so there is no way to keep the characters at their current ages.
This might not be a popular opinion but they need to bring the whole series up to the present and just get keep the characters at the same age forever because if they try to honor the ages from SF2 they would have to do so much work and 50 year old SF2 cast is basically a pandora's box you can't close once it's opened; without, of course, a much heavier retcon.
This might not be a popular opinion but they need to bring the whole series up to the present and just get keep the characters at the same age forever because if they try to honor the ages from SF2 they would have to do so much work and 50 year old SF2 cast is basically a pandora's box you can't close once it's opened; without, of course, a much heavier retcon.
I'm pretty sure they've already done this but didn't bother to make an official statement. I mean, they may age the characters a few years with an offhand mention in the story or adding grey streaks to Akuma's hair but here on out the games take place in 20XX and characters birth years are no longer listed.
They're handling it like The Simpsons but it's even less of an issue for Capcom because the story never references real world events. Zangief's stage goes from U.S.S.R. to Russia and we won't see the Twin Towers in any future NYC stage but those changes didn't feature into the world of SF. As far as SF goes, it's always been like that.
NipplesAndToes23
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I sure wouldn't. I play this shit because I wanna bust heads.
I think they already "retconned" birth years at this point by not mentioning them.
That's basically what I expect much of Street Fighter V's story to be: a clean slate where they set the records straight, drop what doesn't fit, and rework what can fit.
Edit: and after typing that out and seeing, I'm probably expecting too much.
TheSpoiler
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Everyone keeps saying they are going to set the record straight, but I highly doubt they'll heavily modify a bunch of plot points save time lines and when people meet up. Despite the SF canon being thin as fuck in the games, there's a bunch in artbooks and all that where Capcom goes into extensive, weird detail.
It doesn't matter, though. Not like anything else needs to be retcon heavily. And 3 is lolnothinghappens anyway.
direct_quote
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Let's hope that if Capcom decides to kill a character again, they stay dead.
TheSpoiler
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No thanks. That means we won't see characters in the actual game and that's dumb.
I actually enjoy when fighting game characters are comic book plot style brought back to life. Means I get to see them again.
direct_quote
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There's over 50+ characters to choose from, would at least add some interesting element to the story instead of everyone surviving Akuma's raging demon. Also gives some motivation to characters, etc.
Fernando Fernandez
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Kill Q, Twelve and Skullomania in a badly animated cutscene 5 minutes in. The Gaf meltdown would be beautiful.
God I don't think I will be coming back to this thread anymore. I left here like 3 weeks ago because of all of the SFIII hate, and come back to more SFIII hate. I would love to argue why SFIII is good, story and all but it seems like once people here decide to hate something, they are going to stick to those guns till the death. Got to love hive-mind mentality.
Also, Gill is a awesome as shit name.
Also, Gill is a awesome as shit name.