Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west

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I don't think this is quite right. Yes, it is ultimately TK's decision, but if TK says they felt pressured towards not releasing it here, it's not unnatural for players who want DoAX (of which I certainly am none) to be mad at the people who pressure TK to such a decision. Games that depict females in a way DoAX does, or even in a more subtle way, receive a lot of flak around here. So TK might very well have wanted to avoid the risk of being the target of a huge campaign against themselves which could affect other, more important games or even partnerships.

Of course it is an economic decision, but considering they do not even release it in digital form - which would cost them absolutely nothing other than the necessary age rating, considering the translation is already done - I'm inclined to believe them, that the pressure they feel is the reason for the decision. So in turn I think it is natural for fans of such games to be mad at people who generate a climate in which a company would deem it as too risky to release a game they want. Of course, if DoAX was projected to be super successful like, say, GTA, TK would just swallow the negativity, so bad sales of the predecessors certainly plays a role.

The only "pressure" here is society as a whole standing up and saying, "hey, uh, the way we've been treating women for the past several decades is kinda gross and maybe we gotta cut down on that, and also sexualizing underage people [or a fictional character who is clearly designed to look underage] is fucking nasty man". Koei is smart enough to realise the values of western society.

We have morals and know better. That's not caving to pressure. That's just societal progress.
 
This kind of criticism does not make waves in Japan. They have stuff FAR worse than DOAX3 that has almost zero controversy surrounding it.

There's tons of controversy about artistic depictions of things in Japan. Do you not remember the child porn law in discussion that the eroge industry is super against because it makes them good money?
 
What crying? Who are you talking to?
People getting outraged on social media and forums over tweets. Planning boycotts or getting into slap fights to "defend" playasia..it's pathetic on both sides in my opinion.

Obviously I'm just making a general comment in this thread, not sure why you felt the need to ask who I'm talking to.
 
To be fair, criminal girls and dungeon travelers are banned on GAF

Yeah but they're not exactly making waves on other sites regarding discussion of their contents. You'll get the odd "This game looks weird" article here and there but there's not 10 different major sites discussing how creepy the rubbing minigame in Criminal Girls is on review day.

Nobody in general talks about them much at all beyond the dedicated fanbase.
 
I think you guys are getting the wrong idea about me. All I want is the game developers to make the game they wanted to make. I don't want them to make changes to their games , because of fear of the media or sjw.

If you want to support games that are 100% created as the artist envisioned it, then AAA games is a really poor place to start. Mainstream entertainment is all about bland compromise.
 
I don't think this is quite right. Yes, it is ultimately TK's decision, but if TK says they felt pressured towards not releasing it here, it's not unnatural for players who want DoAX (of which I certainly am none) to be mad at the people who pressure TK to such a decision. Games that depict females in a way DoAX does, or even in a more subtle way, receive a lot of flak around here. So TK might very well have wanted to avoid the risk of being the target of a huge campaign against themselves which could affect other, more important games or even partnerships.

Of course it is an economic decision, but considering they do not even release it in digital form - which would cost them absolutely nothing other than the necessary age rating, considering the translation is already done - I'm inclined to believe them, that the pressure they feel is the reason for the decision. So in turn I think it is natural for fans of such games to be mad at people who generate a climate in which a company would deem it as too risky to release a game they want. Of course, if DoAX was projected to be super successful like, say, GTA, TK would just swallow the negativity, so bad sales of the predecessors certainly plays a role.

when has any game developer or publisher been on the receiving end of a huge feminist campaign that's actually damaged them or their corporate relationships financially?

i'm not able to recall any, personally. why do you think this fear is realistic?
 
the games that are banned contain softcore child porn. i'd like to think they would have been banned 10 years ago too.

Banning game discussion on gaf is a recent thing. Look up any icecream thread and you'll see stuff that is more "softcore child porn" than Criminal Girls/Dungeon Travelers could ever hope to be.
 
Antone, the Mortal Kombat X, double d breast comment made me nearly choke on my drink. Post of the thread for me.

DoAX3 not coming out in NA,EU is because they probably don't see the cost of localization being worth it if the sales are too small.

... Kasumi best girl. Xtreme 2 was so poor though that I wouldn't even bother importing this title.
 
Ahahahah. Please tell me why DOAX1 and 2, Senran Kagura, Criminal Girls, Akiba's Trip, Onechambara, Dungeon Travellers, etc. were released without problem then?

Aside from DOAX1/2 being released in a time where outrage culture wasn't so bonkers, the rest of those games aren't mainstream enough for anyone to notice or care enough about to be worth pushing an agenda with.
 
The only "pressure" here is society as a whole standing up and saying, "hey, uh, the way we've been treating women for the past several decades is kinda gross and maybe we gotta cut down on that, and also sexualizing underage people [or a fictional character who is clearly designed to look underage] is fucking nasty man". Koei is smart enough to realise the values of western society.

We have morals and know better. That's not appealing to some fringe group as you think. That's just societal progress.

Let's say that someone in charge says "I see your opinion, I don't care, if I can make a buck I will. If it's illegal, make it stop". How do you respond?
 
The only "pressure" here is society as a whole standing up and saying, "hey, uh, the way we've been treating women for the past several decades is kinda gross and maybe we gotta cut down on that, and also sexualizing underage people [or a fictional character who is clearly designed to look underage] is fucking nasty man".

We have morals and know better. That's just societal progress.

I think society as a whole is a bit reaching, considering there obviously still is an audience for such games and considering how Donald Trump presents himself, I doubt that believing that women are treated grossly is a position that society as a whole holds.
 
Aside from DOAX1/2 being released in a time where outrage culture wasn't so bonkers, the rest of those games aren't mainstream enough for anyone to notice or care enough about to be worth pushing an agenda with.

so how mainstream is an off shoot of a mid-tier fighting game
 
There's tons of controversy about artistic depictions of things in Japan. Do you not remember the child porn law in discussion that the eroge industry is super against because it makes them good money?
It's also worth mentioning that in Japan, otaku games are seen as... Otaku things, and otaku is a pretty negative term over there. These otaku games are NOT mainstream and openly accepted in Japan.
 
People getting outraged on social media and forums over tweets. Planning boycotts or getting into slap fights to "defend" playasia..it's pathetic on both sides in my opinion.

Obviously I'm just making a general comment in this thread, not sure why you felt the need to ask who I'm talking to.

I don't think there's an organized boycott, just people (like me) realizing there are better options for imports than Playasia and wanting to move away from a retailer happy to stir shit to try to get a few more sales from paranoiac imbeciles.
 
It has been an hilarious day. I still can't understand why these tweets unleashed such a huge debate, thought. Hit a raw nerve, I guess.

Ahahahah. Please tell me why DOAX1 and 2, Senran Kagura, Criminal Girls, Akiba's Trip, Onechambara, Dungeon Travellers, etc. were released without problem then?

I have seen people being verbally treated like human garbage for liking the Senran Kagura series, so yeah, without problem ? Sure. But not without its usual cortege of bigotry.
 
People getting outraged on social media and forums over tweets. Planning boycotts or getting into slap fights to "defend" playasia..it's pathetic on both sides in my opinion.

Obviously I'm just making a general comment in this thread, not sure why you felt the need to ask who I'm talking to.

Are they "OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!"? Or are they just typing an opinion like you are doing now?
 
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Play-Asia making bank.
 
Aside from DOAX1/2 being released in a time where outrage culture wasn't so bonkers, the rest of those games aren't mainstream enough for anyone to notice or care enough about to be worth pushing an agenda with.

By "outrage culture", are you talking about all the people imagining a backlash against a game nobody cares about and being pissed at imaginary censors? If so, I agree it's completely bonkers.
 
I think society as a whole is a bit reaching, considering there obviously still is an audience for such games and considering how Donald Trump presents himself, I doubt that believing that women are treated grossly is a position that society as a whole holds.

Yes, misogyny is absolutely still a problem. But its being a problem is being recognised more and more by society. Eliminating it completely is sadly a slow process but awareness of the issue is much greater now than ever as people become more educated.

That audience may still exist but as time goes by they're starting to be recognised as outliers. Just look at the whole misogynistic-fedora-wearing-brony-neckbeard-redditor stereotype. Trump may be big in that fringe audience but he is completely alienating to everyone else. There's no "campaign" or pressure involved there if people just naturally find those ideas to be offputting.
 
Play-Asia making bank.

The guy has gained almost 10,000 followers in about the last 6 hours, and anyone who has seen this story and is looking to preorder now knows that they can do so with Play-Asia.

Guy's playing a blinder here. More power to him.
 
when has any game developer or publisher been on the receiving end of a huge feminist campaign that's actually damaged them or their corporate relationships financially?

i'm not able to recall any, personally. why do you think this fear is realistic?

I don't necessarily think it is realistic (I just don't know) I just think it is realistic that TK thinks there is a chance they end up on the recieving end of a camapign against them. I do think it is realistic that DoAX would be heavily targeted by Anita (the one doing the tropes videos) and similar outlets, I don't know what their pull is, but DoAX is probably an attarctive goal as it is a small title, but not as miniscule as those obscure PS Vita titles of similar content.
 
People getting outraged on social media and forums over tweets. Planning boycotts or getting into slap fights to "defend" playasia..it's pathetic on both sides in my opinion.

Obviously I'm just making a general comment in this thread, not sure why you felt the need to ask who I'm talking to.

I'm still not particular sure who you are talking to because you didn't answer who is crying.
 
There's no way to stop, nor should there be, people expressing opinions about the content of art. Given that, it's up to publishers to publish or not, based on their own ideals, and their own bottom line. If you're willing to not publish a work because you're afraid people are going to complain about it, you should probably get out of the business -- because people ARE going to complain about it. They're going to complain about the graphics, they're going to complain about the characters, they're going to complain about the story, and they're going to complain about the gameplay. This is an absolute guarantee for EVERY game that comes out. Someone is going to complain, often many someones, which begins to sound like everyone.

If you can't take that as an artist, tough shit. That's the way the world has always worked, and the way it's always going to work. You produce something, people comment on it. It is, in fact, the cultural function of art, to produce discussion and stimulate thought.

There is literally nothing anyone can do to stop people from expressing their opinions about any particular game, whatever those opinions happen to be. The people blaming "SJWs" and "activists" etc., are essentially wishing that they could make people stop expressing their opinions. It is one of the most common things we see in threads like this, the post that says nothing but "Please stop discussing this."

My response to that type of post, as well as anyone complaining about people discussing games -- all facets of games -- is you are in the wrong place, my friend. If you don't want to discuss, or read discussion of games, might I suggest that a gaming forum is probably the wrong place to be? If you want to live in a silent bubble, where no one ever criticizes a game, then step away from the keyboard, turn off your computer, and throw on some noise-canceling headphones, because that's the only way you're ever going to be able to avoid all commentary on works.
 
Yes, misogyny is absolutely still a problem. But its being a problem is being recognised more and more by society. Eliminating it completely is sadly a slow process but awareness of the issue is much greater now than ever.

That audience may still exist but as time goes by they're starting to be recognised as outliers. Just look at the whole misogynistic-fedora-wearing-brony-neckbeard-redditor stereotype.

Better shut down those porn sites too, or else the feminist utopia might never come to fruition. All artistic content must be regulated!
 
I'm not sure how US laws work, but can't a product be removed for obscenity?
My apologies if I'm off.

I'm just going to point at MangaGamer again. If they won't get hit with obscenity for releasing games in the US with explicit sex scenes with minors (no, not 1000 year old dragons that look like minors), KT DEFINITELY won't.

That being said, if there was pornographic aspects that risk an AO rating, they might as well not release it at all. They wouldn't get in legal trouble over it though unless they hid that knowledge from the ESRB.
 
People taking twitter followers as any sort of monetary indicator are absolutely comedic. I can't believe people put that much stock into pressing a button on a social media platform.
 
I don't necessarily think it is realistic (I just don't know) I just think it is realistic that TK thinks there is a chance they end up on the recieving end of a camapign against them. I do think it is realistic that DoAX would be heavily targeted by Anita (the one doing the tropes videos) and similar outlets, I don't know what their pull is, but DoAX is probably an attarctive goal as it is a small title, but not as miniscule as those obscure PS Vita titles of similar content.

Our Dark Lord Sarkeesian will target them for sure, and as we all know when she offers her mild feminist critiques the company immediately goes out of business. Long liver her campaign of terror against all things video game.
 
This kind of criticism does not make waves in Japan. They have stuff FAR worse than DOAX3 that has almost zero controversy surrounding it.

I'll throw you the same question I did to Valdfellgar: If this is the case, then why don't these criticisms make waves in Japan?

It's not exactly that it's more accepting it's that they deal with it in a different way, mainly ignoring it. I've heard that a social norm in Japan when you don't like someone that instead of confronting or insulting them you instead outright ignore them.

I think that translates into how Japan handles things like Otaku culture and sexualized content: ignore it and allow it to do its own thing. It's all pretty niche over there anyway.

So we've gone from "Japan handles things differently, because they are more conservative in how they handle things, they are conservative in how they handle things because Japan handles things differently."

You're now begging the question.
 
Yes, misogyny is absolutely still a problem. But its being a problem is being recognised more and more by society. Eliminating it completely is sadly a slow process but awareness of the issue is much greater now than ever as people become more educated.

That audience may still exist but as time goes by they're starting to be recognised as outliers. Just look at the whole misogynistic-fedora-wearing-brony-neckbeard-redditor stereotype. Trump may be big in that fringe audience but he is completely alienating to everyone else.
I don't think it really is a matter of education, but a matter of taste and sensitivity. I hate to review those "sexy" Vita games and I'm certainly happy not to play DoAX3, but I don't think they are problematic. If someone enjoys such fantasy games no one gets hurt by, so be it. Obviously, DoAX3 is not a game for people sensitive towards sexualisation, but said sensitivity is not a matter of education. And I also don't think rallying against such games and depicting people who like them as filthy outliers is fair either.

I don't like such games, though I still prefer them over inhuman voilence-wet-dreams like GTA, but you won't see me protesting against GTA (and such games as DoAX) at all, because I think it is not progressive to try to enforce your view on others, but instead to leave everyone to do whatever he wants, as long as it doesn't directly or moderately indirectly harms others. I see no harm in GTA or DoAX, even though I find DoAX slightly and GTA enormously disgusting.
 
Aside from DOAX1/2 being released in a time where outrage culture wasn't so bonkers, the rest of those games aren't mainstream enough for anyone to notice or care enough about to be worth pushing an agenda with.

If anything outrage culture is far less bonkers nowadays, at least it's been awhile since video games have been ascribed to amok runs and shooting sprees.
 
I don't necessarily think it is realistic (I just don't know) I just think it is realistic that TK thinks there is a chance they end up on the recieving end of a camapign against them. I do think it is realistic that DoAX would be heavily targeted by Anita (the one doing the tropes videos) and similar outlets, I don't know what their pull is, but DoAX is probably an attarctive goal as it is a small title, but not as miniscule as those obscure PS Vita titles of similar content.

What is there even to analyze in DOAX? These are hypersexualized anime girls in bikini playing volleyball and taking suggestive poses. That's it. It's a super-basic game.

Did you ever watch these videos you're so afraid of, or do you assume they're just about censoring and banning your favorite games?
 
Are you surprised that #gamergate associated people are rallying around a Twitter account that is making overtures towards them?

Haha, exactly. Hardly a surprise :D They're not new customers, they'll use the prominence of the account to forwarding their own shit only, like it always happens with big pro/contra GG-related posts on twitter.
 
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