KidA Seven
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The voice actor in Japanese is Chiba Shigeru, who voiced Dragon Ball's Pilaf and Yu Yu Hakusho's Kuwabara. That's kind of why I'm already hyped to see him revealed.
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The voice actor in Japanese is Chiba Shigeru, who voiced Dragon Ball's Pilaf and Yu Yu Hakusho's Kuwabara. That's kind of why I'm already hyped to see him revealed.
A "conceptual tier list":
http://www.crosscountertraining.com/blog/2015/11/17/street-fighter-v-the-conceptual-tier-list-1
Based on the beta. Obviously super early but kinda mirrors my feelings on who seemed strong and who didn't. I would put Necalli in the lower tier and bring up Ryu and Chun, but everyone seemed pretty close in power thus far. I don't really see the point in a tier list but it could be interesting to discuss who will get tweaked.
He says: Mika > Karin, Claw, Dic > Nash, Rashid, Cammy > Necalli, Birdie > Ken, Laura, Chun, Ryu
I feel like Mika's standing forward and standing light are a little too useful, and her non-throw specials a little too underwhelming. She could use a little rebalancing. Laura on the whole feels a little too similar in game plan to Mika.
Claw and Bison are both in a good spot. They fulfill their roles exceedingly well, and are, to me, the ideal balance of risk and reward.
Nash I just haven't seen enough of. Xian's Nash is very good, but then again that's Xian.
Ryu is so powerful I can't see why he'd be considered so low-tier. I feel like his defensive options are very good. I guess maybe his risk-reward factor is a little too heavy on risk?
Btw Kid I haven't received your shoes yet. Starting to get concerned.
http://www.crosscountertraining.com/blog/2015/11/17/street-fighter-v-the-conceptual-tier-list-1
Based on the beta. Obviously super early but kinda mirrors my feelings on who seemed strong and who didn't. I would put Necalli in the lower tier and bring up Ryu and Chun, but everyone seemed pretty close in power thus far. I don't really see the point in a tier list but it could be interesting to discuss who will get tweaked.
He says: Mika > Karin, Claw, Dic > Nash, Rashid, Cammy > Necalli, Birdie > Ken, Laura, Chun, Ryu
I feel like Mika's standing forward and standing light are a little too useful, and her non-throw specials a little too underwhelming. She could use a little rebalancing. Laura on the whole feels a little too similar in game plan to Mika.
Claw and Bison are both in a good spot. They fulfill their roles exceedingly well, and are, to me, the ideal balance of risk and reward.
Nash I just haven't seen enough of. Xian's Nash is very good, but then again that's Xian.
Ryu is so powerful I can't see why he'd be considered so low-tier. I feel like his defensive options are very good. I guess maybe his risk-reward factor is a little too heavy on risk?
Btw Kid I haven't received your shoes yet. Starting to get concerned.
I dunno, I feel like she has everything at the moment and doesn't really pay much for having those options. Her strong and forward, crouching and standing are really good, and she can do damage without using meter. She has a good overhead, good anti-fireball, good anti-air, she can build a lot of meter and doesn't need to use it, and she has a billion ways to combo into CA. She also has a varied game plan, a decent V Skill and overall good mobility. I can see why she'd be called high tier.
ãInaba Residentã
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The only thing that seemed bad about Karin in the beta was the lack of reversal options and shitty v-trigger.
Everything else was good:
-Solid normals
-Solid anti-air
-Good mixups
-Good damage
-Really good hit confirms (off of lights as well)
The Sleeping Dragon finally awakes!
Her normals are solid, but her entire mixup game is poop. Every single option she has in V Trigger can be jab mashed out of. It's pretty bad. Felt like they nerfed her normals in the most recent beta build too, but the beta wasn't up for very long so I might be imagining things. I was just getting beat by everything compared to Beta 2. They also got rid of her ex shoulder charge cross up for some reason. It was decent but nothing amazing.
R Mika is fucking awesome though and I hope they don't nerf her too hard. She's a blast to play. Don't make her boring. Make everyone else LESS boring.
R Mika is fucking awesome though and I hope they don't nerf her too hard. She's a blast to play. Don't make her boring. Make everyone else LESS boring.
Omnistalgic
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Who cares what messed up SF's popularity 10 years ago guys, let's just hope SFV is amazing lol.
Also, I don't think 3s fans are just 3s fans, but people that generally like great mechanics above everything else. So when nonsense about 3s comes out, it's appealing to inform people of the reality and clear up misinformation. Honestly tho, the game is dead, we are 2 decades passed it, let it go. SFV is almost upon us, and it's very very interesting set of mechanics so far and overall what Capcom is even trying to do here. Atm though, everyone's options seems to be limited because jabs beat out everything, I'm thinking this is just hitbox, frame updating tbh, but it does seem character agnostic.
Also, I don't think 3s fans are just 3s fans, but people that generally like great mechanics above everything else. So when nonsense about 3s comes out, it's appealing to inform people of the reality and clear up misinformation. Honestly tho, the game is dead, we are 2 decades passed it, let it go. SFV is almost upon us, and it's very very interesting set of mechanics so far and overall what Capcom is even trying to do here. Atm though, everyone's options seems to be limited because jabs beat out everything, I'm thinking this is just hitbox, frame updating tbh, but it does seem character agnostic.
MegamanXZero
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Sorry, but it's gonna be Zhou Yu.
He's currently the reigning tag team champion alongside his bro, Sun "The Little Conqueror" Ce.
KidA Seven
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The guy selling the shoes was from Kumamoto prefecture right? My only hope is that it's taking forever due to that. ;_; Also from looking at rep, sometimes it took 10-20 days for the recipient to post feedback.
Zombegoast
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I don't know how Karin can be considered safe as some of her mix ups are not block strings and her hop being shit.
DryEyeRelief
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You mean like how zoning is so 80s?
Karin, the most wanted character on the Japanese polls, was revealed at Tokyo Game Show, Zangief was revealed at IgroMir Expo, Laura was revealed at Brasil Game Show. That's a clear pattern, by the very definition of the word. You could argue Ken, who was revealed at San Diego Comic Con, fit the same pattern as well. A Dhalsim reveal at Indian Games Expo seemed probable.
Ultimately it doesn't matter, I'm simply pointing out that they were very deliberate in choosing when and where to reveal each character, which is what you're saying as well, and that I thought I had their marketing plan figured it and it turned out that I didn't. Nothing more to say about that, really.
Also I don't understand your last sentence. Of course they need to reveal characters. That's been clear since SF4. They need to have proper character reveals for every character., because that's how their marketing plan works.
By his voice and his dialogue that we've heard I expect him to be similar to Pilaf. Villainous, but slightly goofy.
Holy Order Sol
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You never had to actually commit to these gimmicky mix-ups for her to be solid in the first place. Her buttons and confirms were good, anything else was just icing on the cake if your opponent was free to it.
Yeah, there was also a pattern of revealing Charlie and Bison on twitter for a while as well.
A Dhalsim at Indian Games Expo seemed probable until it didn't happen. You can see whatever pattern you want, it still doesn't mean you or anybody else can discern what Capcom's actual plans are.
It made more sense to reveal a character at Paris Games week due to the Sony connection. That's took way more precedent than "We have to fit a character for this trade show we're going to".
They will reveal Fan at PSX/Capcom Cup because that is the next character they need to reveal. Fan might not even be American. That's shocking, I know, that Capcom might not reveal a character with little to no ties to a region that they're revealing him in, but I'm sure they have their reasons...
Karsticles
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The #1 ranked player was a Necalli user in the last Beta, and you rank him a B+?
Anyway, this is inherently ridiculous. The pro/con list is great, but assigning tiers before a game's release never works out.
This might be your best post.
The Lone Dragon
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Lol, bad timing to say that with Cooperation Cup 2016 just around the corner. Already confirmed attendees from US, Canada, and France (and obviously Japan).
Coop Cup 2015's broke records with more than 400 entrants. Dead games don't do that.
Yeah, I was pretty meh on the whole concept of Zen/Fan until we got the voice files. Chiba is a God tier VA who could breathe life into characters who are basically nothing without him and the type of character he seems to be unique to the series.
I'm pretty hyped to see how he turns out, I don't want to jump the gun and say I already want to play him as one of my subs, but I want to play him as one of my subs.
I never understand why people are so offended by early tier list. They only REALLY mean something to people of equal skill, because the match-up between the players and their knowledge of characters means a lot more, especially before all the tech is filtered out.
Before that, it's just a list of "who has the best tools, at first blush", and that's... pretty much the core meat'n potatoes of competitive discussion.
On the subject of Fan, I really hope his look betrays expectations. I hope they can mine every extremity of his design, and really bring out his personality.
Before that, it's just a list of "who has the best tools, at first blush", and that's... pretty much the core meat'n potatoes of competitive discussion.
On the subject of Fan, I really hope his look betrays expectations. I hope they can mine every extremity of his design, and really bring out his personality.
I don't care about the tier order, but I'm surprised to read one of Chun's cons are her AA options. I think her AA are great. Her b.HK is super good. Her s. lk is also good. You can even time her c. HP and her s. HP to get reliable AAs at different ranges. Let alone EX SBK.
TheSpoiler
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Has any info been dug up regarding the character being male or female?
EDIT: Ah okay, read above and it's male.
The voice from the leak is male
Thanks, was hoping for another new female character but oh well.
Voice files have him sounding like the old villian from big trouble in little China
Geminosity
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Same, though admittedly since we got Mika and Karin I've been pretty calm and content, especially knowing Ibuki and Juri are on the horizon too.
Would've been nice to have a 50/50 split on the new characters but whatever :3
So excited. Is it in January again?
Karsticles
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First, it betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what a tier list is. This is like creating an NFL team ranking list before a season starts. Inherently ridiculous.
Second, it can only serve to confuse and misinform casual players. They don't know what tier lists are, or how they come together. Some of them will see that the character they are excited about isn't good, though. That has an effect.
They serve no purpose, and have no value.
Stone Ocean
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Because without actual competition, frame and hitbox data you can't even say how good some tools are.
So, like many opinions before a game is released! I find it funny because it's just a fancier way to respond to the natural first thoughts people have been spouting since fighters came into the scene: "Who'se the BEST character?!" I mean whether you call it a Tier list, or "my favorite picks! With some insights!" They mean the same thing early on.
But that'll always be true for casuals in like... everything ever. It's like getting pissed off that a boy's first crush is the girl in his class that developed boobs first, rather than the one who gets along well with him. It's just a surface level reaction, that'll work itself out as people get to know the true depth of the ideas in question.
I guess I'm less concerned about their creation, and more annoyed by how significant people think they are. It's worth and values are just simply to foster conversation. Taken as that, I love seeing each person's tier list, and how much they clash.
But taken as some written-in-stone final word that keeps a person from even trying on their own, when they get a game? Sure, they're ridiculous. But that's a player bred weakness, not something to be mad at a numbered list over. Crushing "tier whores" with the characters one actually likes or puts time into, will always be a great feeling.
NoctisVsStar
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Tiers are nonsense at this point considering everything will be different day one.. But we still have one more beta to go to hear people cry wolf about buffs and nerfs.
The Lone Dragon
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It makes even less sense to complain about adjustments made to a game before it's even released...since that's what's SUPPOSED to happen before a game is released.
Stone Ocean
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Just because you can doesn't mean that it holds any weight.
Any tier list about incomplete, unreleased games is completely worthless. Tier lists are made from months of competitive play and match up experience, not one guy playing one build by himself.
NoctisVsStar
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with all due respect this doesn't hold weight.
Well I think tier lists at this point are just to bring up conversation. Everyone knows that changes will be made before and after the release of the game. People are really just pointing out the pros and cons of the characters and comparing them to each other.
What gets on my nerves is people like gootecks. One day is was watching him stream the beta and he was writing notes on how much damage each move does and finding out what combos are more practical in a match. I was just like "does this guy not know that all of these notes will be useless on release"?
So the guy that makes a living from fighting games taking notes sounds odd to you?
Well, he's right. With the game playable, it is possible to do a tier list.
However, since the game is still in development, the balance changes at such a rapid pace that it's simply useless. Even if they did a tier list for the second beta, Capcom's internal build must be so far ahead and so different that it becomes useless.
"God's Beard!"
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He does, he just doesn't care. Some of these things won't change and either way it gets him used to the system while also allowing him to practice the process of learning a new game. If anything, saying what he's doing is useless is the more ignorant position to take.
Which sounds good to me! Are you guys thinking that the Bustling Side Street will be Fan's stage then? I'm not seeing them doing a second Chinese stage (still assuming all newcomers will have a stage).
Bustling Side Street is probably meant to be Chun-Li's stage. I don't think Fan is getting his own, and if Rashid had a stage it probably would have been revealed alongside him.
He knows they WON'T be useless. He can quickly run through that list at launch, cross out the stuff that has been removed, and he will have notes for day one. That is just smart.