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[Moaradin]

My biggest gripe with the Kai dub are the replacement VAs for Frieza, young Gohan, Bulma, 18... It's just not the same and in some cases not good. 18 in particular became awful.

Every one of those are big upgrades.. except 18. But that was because of scheduling reasons and the original VA comes back for BoG and RoF.

Seriously, the performances in Kai are a huge upgrade in every way. Compare Schemmel's Goku in the original compared to Kai, and it's night and day.

 

[Zolo]

Well Goku should be glad the Android movie wasn't canon. What Super #13 did to Goku still makes me cringe each time I see it or the gif.

What's funny is there's even a picture of cracked eggs during the punch.

 

[Sandfox]

Freeza's original dub voice was such a weird choice.

 

[Calvero]

What's funny is there's even a picture of cracked eggs during the punch.

this can't be real

can it


https://youtu.be/fH3X2U9t2P0?t=14m31s

 

[Zolo]

this can't be real

can it

Yep. Not even a TFS edit. Only lasts about a quarter/half-second though.

 

[Welfare]

this can't be real

can it

This is why Goten does not have the same potential as Gohan.

 

[Calvero]

Yep. Not even a TFS edit. Only lasts about a quarter/half-second though.

holy shit. lmao. that's great

 

[SolVanderlyn]

What's funny is there's even a picture of cracked eggs during the punch.

 

[dity]

Can we talk about the real best thing about the dub

Spoiler

the only good thing Faulconer ever did

Vegeta version

Gohan version

Trunks version

Pff.

Screw your SSJ3 stuff, this is what it's all about.

*edit: Does a machine like yourself ever experience fear?

 

[munchie64]

This thread...
This fanbase...

I love it.

 

[Arby 'n' the Chief]

Don't forget Pikkon's theme y'all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSBR22R6FB8

It's soooo goood especially when it's used during the Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight

 

[dity]

Don't forget Pikkon's theme y'all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSBR22R6FB8

It's soooo goood especially when it's used during the Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight

Oh shiiiiit. I forgot about this. It sounds like something out of the Mega Man X games.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Don't forget Pikkon's theme y'all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSBR22R6FB8

It's soooo goood especially when it's used during the Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight

This thread...
This fanbase...

I love it.

I'm sitting here alternating between writing my thesis and listening to Pikkon's theme. Thank you DB GAF.

 

[Calvero]

what's your thesis on?

 

[jurgen]

I've decided that if we're ever subject to another live action movie like Evolution, I want Rick Shapiro to play King Kai. It would be a perfect train wreck because of his natural personality and his voice.

 

[Calvero]

if krillin ever came out in a live action DB movie, would they use a dwarf?

actually now that i think about it, isn't everyone really short?

 

[dity]

if krillin ever came out in a live action DB movie, would they use a dwarf?

actually now that i think about it, isn't everyone really short?

They'd do what Power Rangers Turbo did.

Whenever Krillin yells he'd morph into a larger stunt double.

 

[Zolo]

if krillin ever came out in a live action DB movie, would they use a dwarf?

actually now that i think about it, isn't everyone really short?

Not really. Most are about average Japanese height like the average male height being 5'7. Even Vegeta's only about 3 inches shorter than most of the male cast like Goku.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

what's your thesis on?

Teaching abroad.

How I'll feel when it's done a week from now:

if krillin ever came out in a live action DB movie, would they use a dwarf?

actually now that i think about it, isn't everyone really short?

Krillin is short but not dwarf levels of short. He's just... really short.

 

[Zalman]

The last couple of pages reminded me how bad most of the pre-BoG movies are.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Holy shit, I found the actual best thing about the dub

 

[NeonZ]

And Piccolo jobbed to a Freeza goon who was then one shotted by Gohan who then also jobbed... and Goku wants to choose Piccolo and Buu to go on the tournament instead of Gohan or another saiyan?

Well, the dialogue indicates that they have some kind of training or power up planned, in spite of the time schedule. Note how Vegeta mentioned Gohan's potential, not his power.

Also Bulma's sister (who I knew existed!) is still alive but never felt the need to get involved in any of the events of Dragonball or her own sister's birthday party and child birth?

What? We never saw Trunks or Bra's births so I'm not sure what you're referencing there. The excuse seems to be how she lives in that isolated island. But, yes, it opens a big question regarding the Namek saga.

And the dragonballs were actually pieces of larger dragonballs the Nameks' swiped, though this doesn't explain how the Unnamed Namekian made them on Earth or how Dende remade them.

They were created from pieces of the larger Dragonballs, not just pieces by themselves. But, yes.

 

[Zalman]

What? We never saw Trunks or Bra's births so I'm not sure what you're referencing there. The excuse seems to be how she lives in that isolated island. But, yes, it opens a big question regarding the Namek saga.

I find the whole Tights/Jaco thing so weird. Not really a fan of all this going back and changing how everything worked. If we really want to try to make sense of it, maybe she only started meeting Jaco regularly during the four-year timeskip after Buu. Maybe she had no idea how fast his ship was during the Namek saga or how long it was going to take him to even reach Earth.

How Goku didn't know about Tights after all these years is still up in the air (and will probably always be).

 

[Real Hero]

Tights is presented as living alone and totally independent in the Jaco manga before she even meets him so her not popping up in dragon ball doesn't bother me. Once they need spaceships and stuff it obviously doesn't fit but whatever.

 

[Melfice7]

It's crazy how Broly's whole backstory is basically "he's really strong and Goku cried so hard he went insane".

He was always insane, thats the appeal , batshit insane bloodlusted legendary saiyan

The crying thing with Goku is just so he has a grudge against the main char -_- it was unecessary to be honest

 

[Jaeger]

The first Broly movie is the only good one.

All the "return of *villain*" movies are bad.

OG Broly with the GOAT Saiyan design.

Second image is from the first return of Broly film tho.

 

[Kagari]

The last couple of pages reminded me how bad most of the pre-BoG movies are.

It's not like BoG or RoF are anything amazing either.

 

[Real Hero]

It's not like BoG or RoF are anything amazing either.

BoG is a really fun movie more so than any previous ones, some of the Z movies are just terrible

 

[Kagari]

BoG is a really fun movie more so than any previous ones, some of the Z movies are just terrible

I've seen it a couple times and my opinion is that it's just "okay." Some of the gags were funny but I found the dub version really hard to watch for some reason.

 

[dity]

He was always insane, thats the appeal , batshit insane bloodlusted legendary saiyan

The crying thing with Goku is just so he has a grudge against the main char -_- it was unecessary to be honest

Goku literally helped make him go insane with his crying. It's the craziest backstory.

 

[Zalman]

It's not like BoG or RoF are anything amazing either.

I really enjoyed both, mostly BoG. RF feels like a small distraction in the grand scheme of things. The ideas are good, but they suffer from the fact that they were written to be one and a half hour movies. Frieza's return should be more menacing. Instead, he basically shows up and gets killed in a short amount of time. He doesn't really do anything.

 

[Kagari]

I really enjoyed both, mostly BoG. RF feels like a small distraction in the grand scheme of things. The ideas are good, but they suffer from the fact that they were written to be one and a half hour movies. Frieza's return should be more menacing. Instead, he basically shows up and gets killed in a short amount of time. He doesn't really do anything.

RF's problem is the lack of build-up and Frieza's new form is wasted because he's pretty much a non-threat.

 

[Jaeger]

I love Gohan's arrogance he got each time he became the most powerful being known at the time. It's a story element that needs to be explored.

 

[guek]

I really enjoyed both, mostly BoG. RF feels like a small distraction in the grand scheme of things. The ideas are good, but they suffer from the fact that they were written to be one and a half hour movies. Frieza's return should be more menacing. Instead, he basically shows up and gets killed in a short amount of time. He doesn't really do anything.

The entire movie was fan service. I went in expecting that so I didn't mind as much. It was a fun little detour in the DB story.

 

[dity]

I reckon BoG and RoF were just made to see if people were still interested in new Dragon Ball.

 

[Kagari]

I reckon BoG and RoF were just made to see if people were still interested in new Dragon Ball.

That's pretty obvious. Lot of 90s cash-grabs going around from all forms of media right now. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing but nostalgia can only compensate for so much. See: Jurassic World.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

They knew people were interested in Dragon Ball, they were made to capitalize on that. When you hear about early concepts for BOG before Toriyama was heavily involved (Beerus the lizard based thing infecting the saiyans long ago and SSG having a stupid ass cape) sounded more like something they would come up with to capitalize on the Z portion nostalgia.

 

[dity]

That's pretty obvious. Lot of 90s cash-grabs going around from all forms of media right now. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing but nostalgia can only compensate for so much. See: Jurassic World.

Yeah so like, it's obvious why they'd throw in Frieza for the hell of it and a couple of new transformations (considered the "best parts" of Z). Y'know?

 

[Zolo]

I am glad how well Beerus and Whis have been received simply to show they do better than just some mindless bad guy enemy.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

I love Gohan's arrogance he got each time he became the most powerful being known at the time. It's a story element that needs to be explored.

It just feels good to not be a wimp

 

[dity]

I am glad how well Beerus and Whis have been received simply to show they do better than just some mindless bad guy enemy.

Whis is awesome.

 

[Jaeger]

It just feels good to not be a wimp

Lol, absolutely.

 

[TheRealTalker]

In fighting games

all day... ever day

 

[Ultra Numb]

I love Gohan's arrogance he got each time he became the most powerful being known at the time. It's a story element that needs to be explored.

I feel like another reason why Gohan doesn't want to get involved with this stuff anymore is because he feels like he'd just mess it up again. He could of killed Cell and Goku wouldn't of died, he could of got serious with Buu from the start and Goten/Piccolo/Trunks wouldn't of been absorbed.

He really does like to study but perhaps that's more of a cover then anything and he's not in it mentally anymore? Perhaps a major progression for his character [hinted with Vegeta saying he has the most potential] is that next time Gohan will get the job done properly.

Am I giving AT too much writing credit?

 

[Blader]

The last couple of pages reminded me how bad most of the pre-BoG movies are.

It's funny how cool those movies look like when you're like 11 years old and watching them in minute-long, VHS-ripped, barely-fansubbed clips over a dial-up connection in RealPlayer.

Then 15 years later you realize there's barely anything to them at all :lol

 

[Daingurse]

Okay but the Piccolo thing was still dumb.

That was one of the only things that irked me in the movie. Hell, Piccolo should be much stronger than Gohan at that point . . .

 

[Kagari]

That was one of the only things that irked me in the movie. Hell, Piccolo should be much stronger than Gohan at that point . . .

How?
And before you say lack of training, he was still stronger than Piccolo after not training for 7 years after the Cell games.

 

[Jaeger]

I feel like another reason why Gohan doesn't want to get involved with this stuff anymore is because he feels like he'd just mess it up again. He could of killed Cell and Goku wouldn't of died, he could of got serious with Buu from the start and Goten/Piccolo/Trunks wouldn't of been absorbed.

He really does like to study but perhaps that's more of a cover then anything and he's not in it mentally anymore? Perhaps a major progression for his character [hinted with Vegeta saying he has the most potential] is that next time Gohan will get the job done properly.

Am I giving AT too much writing credit?

Exactly. These are fascinating and unexplored character dynamics that AT seems to have accidentally created. Gohan deserves a come back and for this to be a huge character flaw of his. Something hailing from his Saiyan side that he never addressed. Have Vegeta help him out (since he too suffers from this).

Gohan then should obtain SS Blue much easier than Vegeta and Goku did, and then go even further beyond(tm) that.

 

[Daingurse]

How?
And before you say lack of training, he was still stronger than Piccolo after not training for 7 years after the Cell games.

Lack of training, and even further degradation of power. Gohan is a hell of a lot weaker now than he was in BoG. I have no faith in him being stronger than Piccolo at this point. Piccolo was as strong as a fresh Super Saiyan at the start of the Android Saga, pre Kami, and actually keeps up with his training. Basically, unless I see something going forward w/ Gohan, I have no confidence in his strength anymore. That's why the Piccolo Shisami thing bugged me, Piccolo should have been able to take him. Hell, Piccolo felt way too weak during that movie in-general.

 

[Kagari]

Lack of training, and even further degradation of power. Gohan is a hell of a lot weaker now than he was in BoG. I have no faith in him being stronger than Piccolo at this point. Piccolo was as strong as a fresh Super Saiyan at the start of the Android Saga, pre Kami, and actually keeps up with his training. Basically, unless I see something going forward w/ Gohan, I have no confidence in his strength anymore. That's why the Piccolo Shisami thing bugged me, Piccolo should have been able to take him. Hell, Piccolo felt way too weak during that movie in-general.

What's the time gap between BoG and RoF? 6-12 months? If so there's no way.