Dragon Ball Super |OT| 28 Episodes Later
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I can see why he'd have a begrudging respect for Gohan.
Vegeta's been there to observe him since he was a kid. He fought the rascal on Earth and later watched as the kid handed Frieza his ass on two occasions even though he was thoroughly outgunned.
Was a 3 way tie between Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo. But the more I saw of DBZ, the less I started liking Vegeta, especially after tons of embarrassing losses, particularly in the android/cell sagas.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Nice to have them attempt to provide some sort of explanation, but that's still pretty damn farfetched.
Every fusion gave an exponential powerup, so Piccolo went from ~5000ish (being generous) to over 1 million, to somewhere over 150 million (this is the highest power level that was officially confirmed and that was for SSJ1 Goku on planet Namek). So fusing with the entirety of planet Namek (which has what, a little over 300 Namekians left?) would be massive overkill.
Of course they do. The one Dodoria had could sense powers stronger than him and Zarbon at least. The ones the Ginyu Force brought to Namek easily detected 180,000.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Favorite character is Future Trunks by far, although unlike others I haven't given up on Present Trunks. Same guy. We only got a very brief glimpse of him at the same age as his Future self.
In order, next favs are Bardock, Android 17, Piccolo, Raditz, and Vegeta.
In order, next favs are Bardock, Android 17, Piccolo, Raditz, and Vegeta.
Chaotic-Strike
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Daizenshuu 4 states that only Nameks who are from the same clan can fuse.
Piccolo can't just fuse with any random Namekian.
Vegeta, Hercule, and Future Trunks.
Right. So he could only work with half the Nameks then. Still a huge amount.
Icyflamez96
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Why can't the speedsubs be speedier
Aren't almost all the warrior Nameks dead?
They were brought back afterwards though.
Chaotic-Strike
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He could only fuse with Warrior Type Namekians and we only see like 3 in the manga (not including Nail) who are murdered easily by Dodoria with his whopping 23,000 power level.
If he fused with them, it wouldn't make a huge difference in his power.
Except for the ones Vegeta killed. Still, I think there were only around 6-7 Warrior class Nameks ever shown.
BladeoftheImmortal
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I'm pretty sure they are more populated after 10 years.
Ultra Numb
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Even though power levels have been bullshit forever... I don't think fusing Piccolo with a handful of Nameks would even remotely have him catch up. The gap is too big. Fusing with Nail improved his power massively for the time but that kind of increase is like an ant in today's scale. Kami was a special case as was basically Piccolo's other half, no other Namek will give him that level of power-increase.
What are you talking about? Piccolo was around ~5,000 when he fused with Nail and Kami was probably under 200 by the time he fused with Piccolo.
Well remember, a lot of them were already killed by the time we were introduced to Freeza. And as BladeofTheImmortal said, this assumes there's been zero population growth in the past decade.
Fair enough. Do we know what his power was when he arrived on Namek? Nail was about 42,000 but we never heard what Piccolo was when he got wished back.
Chaotic-Strike
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Your forgetting that the reason Piccolo got so strong fusing with Nail was because Nail was at 42,000 when going against Freeza. It wasn't Piccolo that was strong but Nail was rivaling the Ginyu Force in power, and he's the reason Piccolo got as strong as he did.
Kami is also a different case since he, and Piccolo were originally one person. It was hinted that because of this he could have taken Freeza had they merged in the Namek saga which would make it a special case.
The Namek population probably isn't any better off than they were during the Freeza saga certainly not enough to have fighters near Buu's level, which is what Piccolo is going to need to rival Goku and Vegeta.
Vermillion
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Goku, Bardock, and Future Trunks.
Ryouji Gunblade
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Future Gohan and Future Trunks for me.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Half-saiyans are stronger than full blooded saiyans, bro.
so my statement still stands
BladeoftheImmortal
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Kinda, but when you use even like that, it usually implies they aren't as good as the first choice.
I missed the episode, what happened to Gohan?
BladeoftheImmortal
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Tagoma waxxed that ass...also, I'm liking tagoma a lot...they should have done this in the movie with him.
Regarding Gohan in the latest episode:
so they changed it from the movie? I remember in the movie, Freeza was the one who did him in with that gut punch
BladeoftheImmortal
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yea, show is already a lot different than the movie.
Officially? No. But we can make an educated guess. He was around 3,000 when he got killed by Nappa, and he was only at King Kai's place for no more than 6 days. Assuming he got ANY power up whatsoever during that time, the most I'd figure would be 5,000.
edit: actually, let's do some quick calculations. There were 88 days left for the saiyans to show up on Earth by the time Goku got to King Kai's planet. Goku didn't officially start training until 3 weeks later (after he caught Bubbles), so that's 88 - 21 days = 67 days. Assuming Goku remained at his ~400 power level at that point, and that he was at 8,000 when fully powered up, that means it was a 7,600 increase, and we divide that by 67, and that means a power increase of 113ish per day.
So no, Piccolo would be under 4,000 even by that measure.
And holy shit I thought my days of arguing power levels in Dragonball were done back in high school. D:
Why are you ignoring Piccolo and Kami's power levels at the time of their fusions? It's reasonable to assume that the stronger the Namekian, the bigger the power boost, but it's made pretty clear that even super weak Namekians give massively exponential upgrades.
Chaotic-Strike
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I'm just going by what's stated that Piccolo got more power from Kami since they were originally the same being. Kami's power at the time is really irrelevant since the whole reason that power up was different than Nail was due to them uniting and becoming a single being again.
Not to mention Piccolo was mopping the floor with Dr. Gero before fusing so the increase wasn't as great as you are making it out to be. All I am saying is that the gaps between Piccolo and Goku and Vegeta have become too large for Piccolo to catch up just by fusing with some random Nameks as you are suggesting.
Well okay, but that doesn't explain why Piccolo got a huge power up by fusing with Nail, who he no relationship with prior.
Alright, I'll give you that.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
What do you mean? Dragonball ended with Cell. Goku dead in Valhalla, Gohan as his successor who will fight when he has to, but not because he thinks its fun. Vegeta is humbled, and they all lived happily ever after.
Everything since then is just filler. =)
Chaotic-Strike
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Nail was a warrior type like Piccolo and was on par with the Ginyu Force that makes him stronger than Zarbon, Dodoria and possibly even Vegeta at the time.
We don't know how strong Piccolo was before he fused but considering he was training with King Kai it's not hard to imagine him getting a power increase and having their power multiplied due to the fusion it's understandable he was able to match Freeza.
Fusing just isn't a viable option for him anymore unless the other universe has a warrior type that's willing to fuse and is God level.
biosnake20
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He's gonna get mad strong when he fuses with Dende.
Hidden One
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This will always hold a special place!
https://youtu.be/FxPcXCqcKj0?t=33
Toriyama will redeem Gohan you guys will see!
Wow, episode 21 got intense at the end. They changed quite a bit.
It looked like Gohan was about to go Super Saiyan and tear Shisami apart, but Tagoma being there changed everything. And Goten and Trunks are coming too. I'm enjoying this version quite a bit.
I also like that they addressed why Buu didn't show up.
I also like that they addressed why Buu didn't show up.
I always thought this would happen in the Majin Buu Saga but found out Pikkon is a filler character.
DiipuSurotu
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Arm ripping animation sure has degraded over the years
Well they are stronger now so they have learned to control their blood flow at will to prevent bleeding.
I'm bullshitting.
this is actually true and it's explained in the manga
Here's hoping he's Universe 6 Piccolo
DiipuSurotu
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VanquishUK
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Holy shit yes Gotenks next ep. Hope he goes Super Saiyan 3 and destroys that dude.
Frog Captain Ginyu somehow swaps bodies with that guy? That's what I'm getting from the preview.
Really?Haven't read it yet.
Yeah check it out in chapter 427 of the manga.
lmao no, sorry
donkey show
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Liking the additions they added in this ep compared to the movie granted the animation was a bit whack:
Super hyped for the next episode as well!
Pretty much a dead giveaway considering what's said in the preview and the foreshadowing in the most recent ep.
- Vegeta looking a bit stronger than Goku
- Nods to how well they've been progressing naturally with their training by both Whis and Beerus then getting sent to the dead zone hyperbolic time chamber, heh
- Gohan's resolve to protect even though he hasn't been training
- How far Krillin's come with Roshi's reminder
- Tagoma taking after Freeza
- Goten and Trunks on the way!
- Nods to how well they've been progressing naturally with their training by both Whis and Beerus then getting sent to the dead zone hyperbolic time chamber, heh
- Gohan's resolve to protect even though he hasn't been training
- How far Krillin's come with Roshi's reminder
- Tagoma taking after Freeza
- Goten and Trunks on the way!
Super hyped for the next episode as well!
Pretty much a dead giveaway considering what's said in the preview and the foreshadowing in the most recent ep.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Ginyu is Tagoma, Tagoma is Ginyu!
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