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iPhone 6C/7 Mini (4inch screen) to lack 3D touch, include 8MP rear camera & 1.2 front

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I really hope the 6C is better than this. I want a smaller phone, not a worse phone. After having the Note II for a couple of years I don't want a phablet and regular size phones are too big now.

Yeah, that would be great. I decided to check up on the macrumors forums, and there was one user who thinks that the 6C or 7 Mini will have 1 GB of RAM...lol. Definitely not going to happen.
 
Everybody is forgetting about this:

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iPod Touch 2015 model has: A8, M8, 8 megapixel rear and 1.2 megapixel front cameras.

If there is a new small iPhone, it will be the iPod Touch 2015 with phone capability and Touch ID. Nothing more.
They refreshed the iPod Touch this year??
 
Everybody is forgetting about this:

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iPod Touch 2015 model has: A8, M8, 8 megapixel rear and 1.2 megapixel front cameras.

If there is a new small iPhone, it will be the iPod Touch 2015 with phone capability and Touch ID. Nothing more.

oh my god the bezels
 
I'd prefer a 4" phone if it had 3D touch and a smaller price tag. The rest of the specs don't really matter anymore. If it doesn't have 3D touch then the value is less because it's pretty clear that's where the software is going.

The software is going away from 4" screens...
 
a baseline 4" device would mean lower performance than a baseline 4.7" device just on the basic physics of the thermal profile on a smaller device.

Perhaps, but it can still keep essential parity with the larger models even if there's some technical differences between them.

For example, iPad Air and iPad Mini 2. Both released in the same timeframe, both offered the same feature set and SoC, even if there were some discrepancies in their benchmarks.
 
Really No 3D Touch?

Why?!

If there's going to be a 4" model it's probably going to be the $0 on two year contract model.

Assuming this article is correct the bill of materials is already going to be going up for NFC, the newer A9 and extra RAM on the CPU. They'll claw a bit back on the imaging sensor, a bit on the battery and probably on the radio.

I assume they're just investing as much of the wholesale prices they're getting back into extra specs.

For example, iPad Air and iPad Mini 2. Both released in the same timeframe, both offered the same feature set and SoC, even if there were some discrepancies in their benchmarks.

The iPad Mini 2 was way behind the iPad Air. It was 100MHz behind the iPad Air in its stock configuration and suffered from major throttling.

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The larger the device the lower the Tskin. That's just physics. For example:

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The iPad Pro literally doesn't throttle. It sustains 2.16GHz the whole way.
 
The iPad Mini 2 was way behind the iPad Air. It was 100MHz behind the iPad Air in its stock configuration and suffered from major throttling.

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The larger the device the lower the Tskin. That's just physics. For example:

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The iPad Pro literally doesn't throttle. It sustains 2.16GHz the whole way.

Worth noting: the iPad mini 4 doesn't throttle either.

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All the latest iPads have best-in-class sustained performance, really.
 
I have an iPhone 6S Plus, but I won't lie, I fondled the iPod Touch at Apple Store last week thinking that were Apple to release an iPhone of that size, I'd switch over in a heartbeat.
 
I have an iPhone 6S Plus, but I won't lie, I fondled the iPod Touch at Apple Store last week thinking that were Apple to release an iPhone of that size, I'd switch over in a heartbeat.

Too bad about the bezel size of the iPod touch. Hopefully because of that it has a great battery.
 
So.... I really don't like the 6/6S because it just feels like it will slip from my hand. Maybe it's irrational, but I just don't like it. Ultimately, I just want something that fits in my jeans pocket that doesn't remind me that it's there. The 4/5 series were fine. Thick enough. Heavy enough. It's a phone.


iPhone 4/5 had flat edges.



On the iPhone 6, the glass and aluminum curve around the edges.

Thanks for that.
 
Scoop Gurman:

The new device is internally codenamed “N69,” but the launch name will likely be the “iPhone 5se.” The “se” suffix has been described in two ways by Apple employees: as a “special edition” variation of the vintage 4-inch iPhone screen size and as an “enhanced” version of the iPhone 5s. Indeed, the upcoming “5se” features a design similar to 2013’s flagship but upgraded internals, software, and hardware features that blend the old design with modern technologies from the past two iPhone upgrades.

Sources have provided the following list of “iPhone 5se” upgrades over the 5s:

- The chamfered, shiny edges have been replaced with curved glass like on the iPhone 6 and 6s lines
- The same 8 megapixel rear camera and 1.2 megapixel front camera systems from the iPhone 6
- Support for larger panoramas and autofocus for video recording
- Barometer for tracking elevation in the Health app
- An NFC chip for Apple Pay
- The A8 and M8 chips from the iPhone 6
- Bluetooth 4.2, VoLTE, and 802.11ac WiFi chips from the iPhone 6s
- Live Photos from the iPhone 6s
- Same Silver, Space Gray, Silver, & Rose Gold color options as the 6s line
-No 3D Touch

The new device is currently in production overseas and is planned for a March introduction ahead of a late March or early April release.

http://9to5mac.com/2016/01/22/apple...for-marchapril-with-curved-edges-live-photos/
 
All the new phone needs is an A8 and 2GB of ram. Anything else is gravy, especially at that resolution. Having the 12MP sensor for 4K video would be nice but this is supposed to serve as the entry level model, not as an equal so I wouldn't expect it. 3D Touch probably wouldn't fit in a smaller phone either.
 
Has there actually been a really worthwhile application of 3D Touch on the 6S or is it still in the stages of "well this is a new thing you can do".

It seems like it basically occupies the functional space as a long press.
 
3dtouch would be better for things like music if you could long press on the icon and play a song/artist/playlist/podcast without having to open up the app after you select it like it does now. Like if I'm listening to a podcast that has multiple episodes or I pause it 3dtouch-ing the icon lets me select the podcast but then opens the app as well.
 
I really don't see apple calling it the 5SE. They'd be too worried about folks confusing its internals with a 3 year old phone by the time the 7 comes out.
 
"No 3D Touch"

And nothing of value was lost. Sounds like a good phone for people that want something smaller. Would be even smaller if Apple would finally get rid of the stupid home button.
 
Lol 3D Touch would have been pretty good, people don't realize how helpful it is in typing. Especially with the 3D Touch-scrolling. Peak and pop are pretty useful too as the app switcher. If it is an actual SE- edition, then they should make some thing utterly cool about it like a different texture metal or something
 
Has there actually been a really worthwhile application of 3D Touch on the 6S or is it still in the stages of "well this is a new thing you can do".

It seems like it basically occupies the functional space as a long press.
Quick actions, trackpad input, a few extra actions for games. There is a lot of redundancy though.
 
5 SE is such an awful name, I can't see them going that route.



I wouldn't call it useless, peek and pop is a neat feature I use quite often.

I'm sure peek and pop is a neat feature, but probably could have been achieved all the same by, say, a two-finger long press. Most applications of 3D Touch on the iPhone seemingly aren't derived from the technology itself.

Quick actions, trackpad input, a few extra actions for games. There is a lot of redundancy though.

That trackpad input was in the iOS9 beta for iPhones. It was removed sometime before the final release. It worked largely the same as it currently does for the iPads. I guess it was another feature they could reserve as 3D Touch exclusive.
 
Awesome news, just wish the camera was a bit better.

And no I don't have small hands, I just don't use my phone for anything other than calls, music and taking photos so the smaller the better.
 
I'm sure peek and pop is a neat feature, but probably could have been achieved all the same by, say, a two-finger long press. Most applications of 3D Touch on the iPhone seemingly aren't derived from the technology itself.



That trackpad input was in the iOS9 beta for iPhones. It was removed sometime before the final release. It worked largely the same as it currently does for the iPads. I guess it was another feature they could reserve as 3D Touch exclusive.
You're not wrong but what is possible is different from what actually is.
 
I'm sure peek and pop is a neat feature, but probably could have been achieved all the same by, say, a two-finger long press. Most applications of 3D Touch on the iPhone seemingly aren't derived from the technology itself.

Sure, a two-finger long press would've worked but it probably wouldn't have been as good. That being said I agree that 3D Touch really needs more applications.
 
You're not wrong but what is possible is different from what actually is.

Yeah. I guess what I'm driving at is while 3D Touch is pretty cool, most current uses of it on the iPhone 6S seem like feature holding for newer iPhones. I have no doubt an iPad Air 2 could handle Peek And Pop with or without 3D Touch. Most applications of 3D Touch seem independent of the technology itself.
 

Or alternatively people who want their phones to actually be easily able to take everywhere with them. The whole point of a phone is to be small enough you can take it everywhere and it's easy to take with you.

My BF took out his iphone 4 cause his 5s got dunked in water. He misses the OS of the 5s but he definitely likes the size of the 4 better. Even I was thinking how nice it was with how portable it was (I have a 6). Well if it were lighter (That came with newer tech). I mean the ipad mini is way better for large screen viewing than my 6 and is almost as portable if I want a device I have to either hold or get a bag for. The 6 is ok for portability but still doesn't fit in a pocket all that well (I see the phone as more for stuff like when I'm waiting in line somewhere or times when I'm not going to be doing heavy web browsing anyways). And yes, I have small hands and it isn't very usable with one hand (Which would have been nice).

Overall I'm ok with the 6 but I can easily understand wanting a smaller phone and not cause you want it to be cheaper but you actually want the phone to be smaller. It's not like the little extra screen space the 6 gives me is all that much but the difference makes more of a difference when wanting to fit it in pockets (it's not like going from it to the mini ipad). The 6 is big enough that in some pockets it slips out easier (a smaller one would not slip out so easy) or in small tight pockets not really fit at all.
 
Yeah. I guess what I'm driving at is while 3D Touch is pretty cool, most current uses of it on the iPhone 6S seem like feature holding for newer iPhones. I have no doubt an iPad Air 2 could handle Peek And Pop with or without 3D Touch. Most applications of 3D Touch seem independent of the technology itself.

The problem with Peek and Pop on a device without 3D touch is that I imagine it would be hard to implement the "pop" portion of it. Right now I press in to peek at something and press in harder to open up that thing. I'm not sure how you'd do that without some awkward gestures.
 
I think this "5se" model will mostly appeal to women and a small portion of guys. It's a niche product.

I would never go back to a 4 inch phone.
 
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