Why are you not willing to donate your organs?
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Sir_Crocodile
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It was a joke lol.
If I ever remember to sign up, I'm personally hoping for frozen cadaver snowboarding. They should just change the system to opt-out to scoop up the lazies
I always imagined it was because in order for your body to be used "for science", they need the organs in place for folks to practice around.
You get the irony of your statement right?
you don't see the circular logic in this?
ClosingADoor
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Start with yourself and be a better person for helping somebody even after you've passed away
NoblesseOblige
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So basically you're lumping yourself in with the 'rest of humanity' and admitting you treat others 'like shit'? As long as you can admit that I guess.
You don't need a whole body for all kinds of research.
Sure, perhaps the university he's registered with doesn't which is why it hasn't been an issue.
yeah, I get you. But I'm not sure they just look at your Id and start immediately cutting away. I know all this is time sensitive once you actually die, but I've been under the impression that part of calling a death involves a check for things just like that. Really, that's all donating your body to science is - signing legal documentation ensuring your body goes to that research center, and then them setting up a system with local hospitals so that, once you die, a flag is set for them to know your wishes.
But I can see the conflict and definitely want to get that checked out, because I had honestly never considered it. Funnily enough, I just renewed my license recently (like, actually had to go in and do it) and thus very recently reaffirmed my status as an organ donor, lol.
Oh yeah, another thing, I did some looking around when I chose my (with the help of a few friends in the field) to help me find one with as few stipulations about my death as possible. So that might be why. If you're donating your entire body to a place that needs an intact, undamaged carcass, you actually have lots of stipulations that can disqualify you, which means your family is suddenly and unexpectedly footing a funeral bill.
The Incarnation
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I would do IF I thought I was the centre of the world.
PetriP-TNT
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There's zero reasons why it shouldn't be opt-out.
Oh wait, there are: dumb and selfish ones.
Actually fuck opting out too. If you opt-out you'd need to get a tattoo to your forehead that says "miserable human being"
Oh wait, there are: dumb and selfish ones.
Actually fuck opting out too. If you opt-out you'd need to get a tattoo to your forehead that says "miserable human being"
so then, no, you don't get the irony.
You don't need to be the center of the world for your position to be hypocrisy, only part of a collective. Which you are - humanity.
ClosingADoor
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It is still your body, so I am against somebody else deciding what should happen to it.
A opt out system is good, because that way people are forced to think about it at least and the ones not really caring to opt in now would become donors.
Glass Shark
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When I die I would like every usable organ to go to someone who needs it, and everything that's unusable to be donated to science. Then cremate the rest and shoot my ashes into space.
The Incarnation
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Don't see how I'm treating anyone like shit, if I'm not involved in the process.
cloud_sleep
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When the Lord returns and I am resurrected imma gonna need my kidneys.
The connections you make impact your reality. The impact you have on others can impact their reality and then they can impact the reality of their connections as ripples extend through humanity. You are the centre of the world when you think about the ripples you start from yourself.
Listen to this song while you think about that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVg2EJvvlF8
Because you are impacting others by exempting yourself. Everyone is involved in the process. You are not an island, no matter how much your cynical perspective wants or perceives yourself as.
Good! You need to set this up to ensure it happens. Start by shooting some emails to administrations at your local universities or colleges, they can help get you in touch with the right people.
Shooting your ashes into space would be a tremendous waste of natural resources and would be expensive, too.
The Incarnation
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If I was a Black American I'd think twice about opting into anything.
ClosingADoor
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Not doing anything is also a shitty thing to do sometimes.
What does race have to do with this?
you are involved in the process. You are a human being.
Are you?
God can't make you new kidneys? Didn't that dude turn water into wine and feed like thousands with just a loaf of bread?
NoblesseOblige
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You're basically saying other people aren't worth your organs after you're dead. How does that not register to you as seeing and treating other humans as less than filth?
Thats how I see it too, and I also don't like the suggestion someone had about "if you opt out, you go to bottom of the list.
Because that's basically threatening someone with potential death if they opt out. It's still their body, as selfish as I believe it to be.
Taking advantage of the organ registry while not participating makes no sense to me.
You want organs? Cool put yours up too. Still their body their choice.
If they need an organ and are an opt out and in a coma or whatever then give them the organs but now they are opt in. This option is also available to be opt out of.
spons
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Here, organs get priority over science if there would be need for them and you've filled in both forms.
But that's exactly how I feel. I don't know all these people, they possibly wouldn't have done the same for me specifically and the entire humanity argument goes out of the window for me when I see how rotten society just is. I simply just don't care about the next person in line for organs.
Fix other things first, like ageing (#1 cause of death), cancer and horrid prices for medicine. The entire health care system is fucked, why would I step in and make the first step so to speak by basically giving away my entire body? There are so many problems in this world that I feel that me not being an organ donor is a fart in the wind, it doesn't matter in the long run, it's irrelevant.
If you feel like being an organ donor is "good for humanity", then PayPal me 500 bucks. I need the money and it would be a fantastic thing to do for an individual and people around me. Thanks in advance.
And yes, that's the exact same shit. If you feel like being good to others, then what are you waiting for? Death?
Not opting in makes no sense to me either
but I disagree with forcing someone to do it, and I also disagree with someone dying needlessly.
They can still have organs they'd just be opted in now
water_wendi
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Isnt that exactly what they are doing by not donating their organs? Potentially threatening people with death? i think the opt-out scenario where they go to the bottom of a donor list is appropriate. Not being able to get onto a donor list at all would be how i would do it. Organ donation isnt for you? Then its never going to be for you, giving or receiving.
I do cancer research for a living. I feel I do more good for humanity alive than dead.
Mocha Nova Coffee Scotia
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I've brought up organ and blood donation to my mother and she has had a poor reaction every time. Organ donation boils down to her thinking doctors will focus more on your organs than saving you and she just doesn't think donating blood every couple of months is safe for your body. It mostly boils down to ignorance and never being exposed to things like it so she isn't sure what to think.
Unfortunately it seems like quite a few people share the same opinion so the only thing you can do is educate yourself and others to help change some opinions over time.
Unfortunately it seems like quite a few people share the same opinion so the only thing you can do is educate yourself and others to help change some opinions over time.
Yup, which is why I think not opting in (or opting out) is an incredibly shitty thing to do.
While true, also irrelevant to the entire argument.
The organs are yours! To use and enjoy. Doing whatever you see fit.
All we are talking about is when someone does not need them anymore. His argument ignores that completely
FO-totality
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Except donating organs has 0 impact on you and a positive impact on others. There is not even a selfish reason to keep your organs. You are denying someone life extension. While donating someone has an impact on you and the other person so you have to make considerations based on that impact and weigh the best decisions for you. There is no impact at all on you for donating (unless you have some religious belief).
Spons, I gave a logical example of 2 people and 2 deaths on the last page in response to you, did you consider that?
In that example, you are letting a "good person" die by your decision in spite of the "asshole". What if it was a child? Are you OK with that?
Obviuosly I agree, I was just replying to his remark implying hypocrisy. The only way that argument flies is if you do no good to humanity alive.
And to clarify, I don't think only doctors and scientists and that sort "do good for humanity." What about just being someone's friend? Or a loving spouse? Or hell, even a menial, but necessary job? There is plenty that every individual contributes to humanity.
I will suck the marrow from your bones
Right...well, maybe you'd be extending the life of someone who makes everyone around them happy. My cousin, for example. She is possibly the most caring, loving, humorous, and positive thinking person I have ever known. She always has a funny story to tell, and always makes sure that no one is left out of the conversation. Smart as hell, too..she was always able to figure everything out for herself, even as a toddler.
She is also 28 years old, and dying. She is in the later stages of cystic fibrosis, and desperately needs a double lung transplant. She is low priority, because there aren't many lungs to go around, and the likelihood of her getting an infection afterwards is high. Perhaps if there were more lungs out there, the doctors would be more willing to take the risk. She is on steroids, and currently walks around with a tube in her nose, because she cannot breathe well enough on her own.
So think of people like her. You're not only denying her more life...you're denying everyone around her the pleasure of having her in their lives. The world would be a better place with more people like her around...not less.
Mammoth Jones
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When the State is the arbiter of the policy regarding organ donations and how it functions this become semantics.
Would the law be used to make everyone's organs opt-in by default? Then that's a function of government and that's government claiming organs by default. I don't believe the ends justify the means.
Incentivize it.
THIS. It's really ignorant of me I know. But I simply don't have faith in the system. Especially as a Black man in the U.S. A bit stupid but I can live with it.
I don't understand the actual problem you have. There are laws about everything. The state is us. This would be for us.
Trickster
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I am, but for scientific purposes only.
I would probably sign up as an organ donor if a change to the priority system for receiving organs was made, so that if you yourself was signed as an organ donor, you take priority over others if you ever became the one needing an organ.
It's selfish I know.
I would probably sign up as an organ donor if a change to the priority system for receiving organs was made, so that if you yourself was signed as an organ donor, you take priority over others if you ever became the one needing an organ.
It's selfish I know.
So donate your body to science. The state isn't involved in that, neither through policy or by controlling how it functions.
User 479360
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The whole idea of being cut open and having parts removes disturbs me, but I'd rather help someone than not and it's not like I'll feel it or need them.
I've agreed to be donated to science if need be, but would prefer if my organs went to someone.
I've agreed to be donated to science if need be, but would prefer if my organs went to someone.
I have had a donor card in my wallet incase something would happen to me for as long as I can remember. I think it's absurd that it's not the other way around. Donating your parts to other people who needs it after you're dead should be a given. If you have quarrels against that, then it's you who should go with a card.
Killer Queen
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Might need them when I come back as a zombie. But my serious answer is that I don't really have a reason not to.
It really is ignorant of you, because your fears put more faith into the strength of the system than you should. You honestly believe the system is well organized enough such that it could manifest in doctors harvesting your organs?
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