Bernie Sanders Wins Readers’ Poll for TIME Person of the Year

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Crab said:
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not even paying attention to what im saying. just listen

1. early polls are worthless at telling you who people will vote for, yes. they're not useless at telling you favourables/unfavourables. 2. I ain't sayin' sanders is going to win the dem nom, because he isn't - clinton got the party machinery all locked up. I'm saying that sanders would do better in a GE if he made that far and there's a fair amount of evidence to suggest that. 3. the polls aren't that early any more, at least for the primaries. we're in december, the pearson correlation is 0.6 at this point

also 4. there are a lot of people on GAF who like pretending to be VerySeriousPeople (VSPs), and they've been into politics geeks for a while (all the way from 2014 at the very least!!!), and they're actually really upset that other people are now interested in politics because that was TheirThing, and they're also worried about what their peers will think of them if they deviate from the groupthink, so all of the VSPs rush around the Bernie threads with shitty posts like "only whitekids" "somethingsomething bernie bros" "god you've never ever followed politics before, ive been following politics since 2014 and that makes me an expert". it's like the politics geek equivalent of gamer geeks reacting to girls playing video games and frankly it's fucking tiresome, so im here to drop some casual knowledge on the VSPs so that they stop shitposting.
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Disagree. While it won't be an easy win and is every bit an uphill battle, he certainly has a shot. I think what did in Clinton back in 07/08 will ultimately do the same thing again. She's completely unlikable and untrustworthy.
 
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that's because UKPoliGAF's post quality is actually usually p. good. Cyclops and I disagree on everything ever and I still love him because his heart and soul and dreams about that posh Tory redhead are poured into his posts.
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I fucking love you too, man.
 
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Henchmen21 said:
Disagree. While it won't be an easy win and is every bit an uphill battle, he certainly has a shot. I think what did in Clinton back in 07/08 will ultimately do the same thing again. She's completely unlikable and untrustworthy.
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What "did her in" in 08 was the fact that Obama ran an unprecedented campaign that was close until the end. No one today is poised to run a similar campaign to 08 Obama, not even close.

Got any numbers to support the fact that people consider her unlikable and untrustworthy? I often hear people say this, but I think they're giving their own opinion of her rather than using what people actually think.
 
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Got any numbers to support the fact that people consider her unlikable and untrustworthy? I often hear people say this, but I think they're giving their own opinion of her rather than using what people actually think.
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As crabbo mentioned, quinnipac.

American voters say 60 - 36 percent that Clinton is not honest and trustworthy.
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obv that doesnt mean that they won't vote for her when push comes to shove.
 
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Henchmen21 said:
Disagree. While it won't be an easy win and is every bit an uphill battle, he certainly has a shot. I think what did in Clinton back in 07/08 will ultimately do the same thing again. She's completely unlikable and untrustworthy.
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He has no shot and might not win 3 states against her.
 
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Bernie can have my sloppy seconds.
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When I was applying to college, I put that under the "Awards and Recognitions" section on all my applications.
 
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Coriolanus said:
As crabbo mentioned, quinnipac.



obv that doesnt mean that they won't vote for her when push comes to shove.
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That's the same poll I'm looking at. In the context of the primary (only taking into account democrat voters), she has a crazy high favorability rating and her trustworthiness is rated high as well.

85-11 Favorable
73-23 Trustworthy/Honest

Republicans have a complete opposite view of Clinton (almost completely inversed) that skews her numbers low. That'll matter in the GE, but for the primary it doesn't really matter.
 
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Goddamnit, now I can't stop thinking of Bernie Sanders as the Zack Ryder of politics.
I used to be a huge Zack Ryder fan :(
 
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Veritigo_X said:
That's the same poll I'm looking at. In the context of the primary (only taking into account democrat voters), she has a crazy high favorability rating and her trustworthiness is rated high as well.

85-11 Favorable
73-23 Trustworthy/Honest

Republicans have a complete opposite view of Clinton (almost completely inversed) that skews her numbers low. That'll matter in the GE, but for the primary it doesn't really matter.
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Yeah, but this is the whole point Coriolanus, I and a few others are making: Clinton is the most likely candidate to win the Dem primary, that's not really in dispute, but she'll do worse at the presidential than Sanders would have. She'll still win the presidential too, in all likelihood, but a worse performance in the presidential seeps down-ticket and hurts Democratic chances at the Senate and possibly the House.
 
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Yeah, but this is the whole point Coriolanus, I and a few others are making: Clinton is the most likely candidate to win the Dem primary, that's not really in dispute, but she'll do worse at the presidential than Sanders would have. She'll still win the presidential too, in all likelihood, but a worse performance in the presidential seeps down-ticket and hurts Democratic chances at the Senate and possibly the House.
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I was more arguing with the idea that her unlikeability would sink her campaign "like it did in 08."

It's hard to say if Sanders would do better or worse than Clinton from these numbers. We can't really compare their favorables since a quarter of the people that responded don't know enough about Sanders to even say whether they like him or not (compared to 2-3% for Clinton).
 
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I was more arguing with the idea that her unlikeability would sink her campaign "like it did in 08."

It's hard to say if Sanders would do better or worse than Clinton from these numbers. We can't really compare their favorables since a quarter of the people that responded don't know enough about Sanders to even say whether they like him or not (compared to 2-3% for Clinton).
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It would only hurt in terms of how large the victory will be in a GE, I see no path for Republicans winning with any of the circus candidates they have this election other than an extraordinary voter suppression and extremely sub-par voter turnout(50% or less)
 
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Veritigo_X said:
I was more arguing with the idea that her unlikeability would sink her campaign "like it did in 08."

It's hard to say if Sanders would do better or worse than Clinton from these numbers. We can't really compare their favorables since a quarter of the people that responded don't know enough about Sanders to even say whether they like him or not (compared to 2-3% for Clinton).
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The point Crab is making is that practically all those DNK's would have to fall against Sanders for him to be worse off then Clinton. Just a small portion going favourable would net him higher figures then Clinton.

My own hesitation is that I'm not sure how steady the favourables he has are in the face of a republican smear campaign. Do we know if Kerry lost out with former favourables due to the swift boat nonsense?
 
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Oh, and here are the actual contenders for Person of the Year.

Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, who as leader of ISIS has inspired followers to both fight in his self-declared caliphate of Iraq and Syria, and also stage attacks in countries like Tunisia and France.

Black Lives Matter activists, who have protested inequality towards African Americans, especially in their treatment by law enforcement.

Caitlyn Jenner, whose coming out as a transgender woman prompted widespread conversations about gender identity and issues of equality for the LGBT community.

Travis Kalanick, who as CEO of Uber drove his car-hailing company to a nearly $70 billion valuation, but also drew criticism about the downside of the sharing economy.

Angela Merkel, who as German chancellor has been at the center of major news events this year, from economic strife in the Eurozone to Europe’s ongoing migrant crisis.

Vladimir Putin, who as president of Russia has defied Western sanctions over his country’s military activity in Ukraine to play a critical but precarious role in the war on ISIS.

Hassan Rouhani, who as president of Iran is seeking to bring his country out of pariah status and repair its sanctions-crippled economy by pursuing a nuclear deal with the West.

Donald Trump, whose populist rhetoric has made him frontrunner in the race for the Republican presidential candidacy and stirred debate about the party’s future.

The 2015 Person of the Year will be unveiled on TODAY Wednesday morning, when the news will also be shared on Time.com. NBC is also asking readers to vote on which of the eight finalists should be named Person of the Year.
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