Why are you not willing to donate your organs?
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SaganIsGOAT
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Just remember people, when you were born into this world it was like waking up without ever having gone to sleep. You couldn't experience nonexperience. So when you die, you're not gonna be worried if your organs were cut out and donated, CAUSE YOU ARE DEAD. You can't experience the separation you feel from your donated organs lol
NoblesseOblige
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Curious. Since you list your reasoning as wanting to be intact, if you were in an accident and by the nature of that accident a part of you was destroyed, would you feel the 'intact' status of your body is already forfeit, so go ahead with taking the organs. Or are you wanting to be buried as intact as possible regardless of whether perfect or not. Also I'm not sure but do they actually keep all your organs in during embalming? My morbid curiosity never really led me to investigate that.
so you'd sacrifice innocent individuals to spite an unaffiliated organization? How precisely does this hurt hospitals?
infinit777
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it still worries me now though, I'm sure in the future i will decide to give them up. But as of right now thinking about doing it puts me into a panic attack state.
a couple of years down the road i am sure i will opt-in though.
(also , not wanting to start a shit post out of this. I see a lot of that now and i don't know what the cause of it is exactly... please don't hate me for my views.)
This is an excellent point. In the US, medicine exists in this bizarre, for-profit-but-supported-with-freebies state. I was in the hospital this morning having blood work done on my son. There's a list of people who have donated significant sums of money to the hospital on plaques in the lobby. It's a for-profit hospital. What. the. fuck.
Maybe? I'm not sure. I haven't really explored the issue mentally in a long time. Actually, I'm thinking I want to be cremated now anyway. The whole thing is irrational, I'll be the first to admit it.
LaserBuddha
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You keep talking to me. I thought you were taking your ball and going home?
The "competition" would be the discussion you voluntarily entered into and argued a position on (poorly).
I am curious if you would accept someone else's organ though. Seems to be the elephant in the room your ilk don't want to discuss.
You're rational about the nature of your position even if I don't agree with it. But I think you're really talking about a fear of death, not organ donation, but the thought of your organs being harvested after death causes those emotions to be entwined together. A good exercise is to imagine that same fear of death in another person who needs your help after you die.
The Incarnation
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With you personally right?
Probably not to be honest. After all the organ might come from someone toxic like you. I'd rather die.
And frankly I wasn't brought up to be terrified of the inevitability of death anyway.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Mind explaining why their profit status would alter your decision?
Pretty much, do these people really think doctors will sacrifice years of work to get their medical license just because they think someone's organs will have a better home in another person?
With you personally right?
Probably not to be honest. After all the organ might come from someone toxic like you. I'd rather die.
And frankly I wasn't brought up to be terrified of the inevitability of death anyway.
Your body I guess. I'd probably be able to tune out the racial slurs coming from my liver if I received one from a racist donor.
NoblesseOblige
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You just appear terrified of having any reasonable rationale. Which to me sounds like a fear worse than death.
LaserBuddha
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You'd think a true edgelord wouldn't be afraid of racist livers, either.
SmackDaddy
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Yep. People are short-sighted and childish. NO, MY ORGANS. MINE!!!!!!
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
I do have my suspicions on the whole not trying hard enough thing. Doctors are people too and can make bonds with those needing the organs.
But I still would like to donate if I am no longer in need.
So here is my strategy: List undecided but make my wife and family aware that if I am to pass my organs should be donated.
But I still would like to donate if I am no longer in need.
So here is my strategy: List undecided but make my wife and family aware that if I am to pass my organs should be donated.
entremet
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These are the roots of many problems facing the human race. Selfishness and short-sighted thinking.
LaserBuddha
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It's a national list, not one within the hospital. And I think it's really selling doctors short to say they'd empathize with a transplant candidate and not the person in danger of dying right in front of them. Doctors work hard to save people constantly and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, especially with a lack of evidence that they do this.
And if doctors are that susceptible to emotional prejudice, It's really just as easy to argue that they would put less effort into if if they knew you WERE'NT an organ donor. Doctors tend to be strongly in favor of organ donation because they see the most awful realities first hand every day.
SmackDaddy
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I watched a whole line of people say no to being donors at the DMV. Made me want to lash out at those fools
Jesus christ, once again, the people who are treating you are not the people who decide where your organs go. Do you not think people would see that conflict of interest?
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
And if you paid attention to the rest of my post you would see I am actually planning on donating my organs. Just don't want it listed on my license. I trust my family to enact my wishes when I pass.
Reverend Funk
Comfy Penetration
I plan to use my organs to gain control of whoevers body they end up in after I die.
The Incarnation
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You certainly would know. You're the one with the God complex.
Demonstrated on all 8 or 9 pages of this thread. Having strong opinions is one thing. Being an obsessive incapable of leaving people alone is another.
Constantly chirping on something here contrary to your belief.
Some people don't want to donate their organs, because reasons. Doesn't how irrational those reasons my seem to you, it's their reason.
Your argument is merely to insult, shame, guilt trip and emotionally manipulate. Nothing more.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I would actually like there to be an opt-in option for us who are okay with doctors giving up early in resuscitating us in order to better guarantee healthy organs to be transplanted. Like, if I was in an accident and rolled into ER with a low chance of coming out of it alive then I'd like to give previous consent to forgo those chances and just do what they can to get as many healthy organs out of me as possible. But maybe that's just my so called "God complex" that Mr. The Incarnation made up.
LaserBuddha
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I was clear on that. I was just using your post to explore this fear people have of doctors letting them die to get organs, something you felt even though you were still willing to do it. If anything I admire you for doing the right thing while having this suspicion.
You create a situation where your organs might not actually be donated if they can't reach your family in time, over a concern that has no basis in reality.
I'm sorry I don't want the organs that I have looked after going to waste in someone who wont do the same, promise me that they wont be wasted on alcoholics or drug addicts etc. and I will probably sign up but as is nope.
alcoholics and drug addicts don't get organ transplants
how do people seriously not know this stuff?
EDIT: In fact, I had an uncle who died just that way. He was an alcoholic and never qualified for his transplant.
LaserBuddha
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Is there a complex for thinking everyone who disagrees with you has a "God complex"
It's hard to argue that people won't leave you alone, when you have to choose to participate in this thread and have to choose to respond and defend your stance to people who address what you've posted. You can't just switch back in forth between enaging in debate and claiming you're a victim unable to escape criticism. You can literally just close the tab.
If it doesn't matter if your reasons are irrational, then why put so much effort into asserting they aren't irrational and being offended that people think they are?
Also something I didn't mention earlier: a budding nihilist should know the difference between not fearing death and preferring to live. I don't actually believe you'd turn down any organ or anything else you needed to not die, despite what you claim.
But you are saying you'd rather ensure they'd go to waste rather than take the risk that they might? Also the list is organized based on these factors, who has the best chance at the longest life span, who is taking care of themselves, etc. People essentially get death sentences all the time, getting taken off the list because they can't quit smoking or drinking, etc. A lot of those decisions are heartbreaking even if they are necessary, so at least acknowledge that work is being done and just give the doctors your dang organs.
NoblesseOblige
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I'll ask you the same question that has gone unanswered by others. Maybe you'll actually give an answer rather than feint it to protect yourself:
Are you okay denying a 'good' person an organ on the off chance it may go to a 'bad' person instead?
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
I see that as an incredibly rare situation in the connected world we live in today. If there is a time where any member of my family cannot be contacted, then there is likely no time to harvest my organs anyway. It's not like they can harvest effectively right there on the scene.
I would rather the people on scene focus on keeping me alive long enough to get me to a place where my family can be contacted and at that time my organs will be harvested.
I have seen this strategy of mine play out with a family member who passed in the hospital. Thing worked fine and organs would have had plenty of time to be harvested (other factors made the organs non-useable).
This strategy is a fair compromise in my mind to allow my organs to go to those in need without denying all use based on my suspicions which may or may not be founded.
The Incarnation
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You still talking to me huh?
I wonder if you three are capable of shutting up for 3 pages and allowing the topic to "breath". Nevermind what you'd believe I'd do. Weirdo.
lol yeah, ok. All it would take is a missed phone call for your family to not be there to give consent and you think this is an unfathomable situation.
And again, it's based off of pure delusion.
LaserBuddha
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Yeah, because (M. Night Shamalamadingdong twist) I'm not the one who is mad. You keep listing reasons not to respond to me but you can't stop, can you?
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I wonder if you're capable of providing a reasonable argument. Still waiting for that one.
The Incarnation
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Yes, all sane people wank to hentai.
The Incarnation
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Argument for what, not donating my organs.?
How about, I don't bloody want to.
Simple enough for you.
just like all sane people covet their organs after death
Bearjewpiter
Neo Member
They'll never get his eyes on the inside.
Also I'm a donor, they asked me if I wanted to be one when I got my drivers license and it seemed too selfish and pretty pointless of me to refuse. If they wouldn't have asked I probably would have done it later at some point since I would also like to donate my body to science. But of course different strokes for different folks, I think there should definitely be an opt out system or incentive for donating though. We have over 300 million bodies full of organs in the U.S. alone, letting a whole lot them rot in the ground doesn't seem very efficient to me
The Incarnation
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LaserBuddha
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You tsundere for me, Incarnation-kun?
how perfectly sane of you
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
Huh? Why?
The Incarnation
Member
About as sane as listening to the three idiots who have skilfully suffocated the thread and made about themselves and their personal grievances.
I'll stop posting now and the thread will be dead in 2 hours, unless you want to talk amongst yourselves
I'll stop posting now and the thread will be dead in 2 hours, unless you want to talk amongst yourselves
NoblesseOblige
Banned
And why is that? You're not that simple are you?
I'll stop posting now and the thread will be dead in 2 hours, unless you want to talk amongst yourselves
Well since us 3 'idiots' are actually capable of having an argument with reasoning, not only is it possible the thread will be active in 2 hours, it will probably be much more enlightening than it has been with your ever so well thought out and valid addition to it.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Cause they're mine!! You can't have them.
About as sane as listening to the three idiots who have skilfully suffocated the thread and made about themselves and their personal grievances.
I'll stop posting now and the thread will be dead in 2 hours, unless you want to talk amongst yourselves
You're the 3rd most active poster in this topic, and LaserBuddha has posted less than you.
lol oops
LaserBuddha
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Noooooo don't go!!! We are nothing without you!!!About as sane as listening to the three idiots who have skilfully suffocated the thread and made about themselves and their personal grievances.
I'll stop posting now and the thread will be dead in 2 hours, unless you want to talk amongst yourselves
You're breaking my heart!
Can I have yours?
So you are ignoring other hospital such as university, religious, or government hospital in the county
BronsonLee
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Somewhere in Vancouver, Tabris is sipping on some basic ass pumpkin spice latte and laughing at the destruction he's caused here
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