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[LaserBuddha]

Are you seriously going to tell me that people have never responded with "I just never had an interest" on NeoGAF of all places? Give me a break. On the issue of organ donation, I just never wanted to. That's it. Whether it a "good answer" or not is up to you. Not that I will lose sleep over it. If you asked me a question about taxation, or DLCs in video games, or something else, my answers would vary. Not every response is going to be something incredibly detailed or essay-length. I'm really surprised at why you guys are so bothered by a simple response.

It's not a good or bad answer, it's not an answer. You are asserting you want something with literally no reason at all, and that's objectively false. You are claiming you don't have a reason and think that statement exists in some sort of personal subjective safe zone, but it's actually a lie. The reason can be as simple as "it grosses me out" or "I don't care about other people" but there is a reason. You imply we just want a longer answer than you're willing to put effort into, but you have typed a ton of words to justify not typing just a few words to answer the question.

Look at the thread title, and then look at your answer, and then ask yourself why you even posted in here.

 

[Krejlooc]

Are you seriously going to tell me that people have never responded with "I just never had an interest" on NeoGAF of all places? Give me a break. On the issue of organ donation, I just never wanted to. That's it. Whether it a "good answer" or not is up to you. Not that I will lose sleep over it. If you asked me a question about taxation, or DLCs in video games, or something else, my answers would vary. Not every response is going to be something incredibly detailed or essay-length. I'm really surprised at why you guys are so bothered by a simple response.

Well you got one thing correct, this is neogaf.

"I don't have any reasons to support my preference for organ donation. But oh man, ask me about DLC in video games!"

 

[FO-totality]

What about opposition to donating specific organs; for example, wanting to refuse to donate tissue that holds some ID that is uniquely one's own (beyond raw DNA) like retinas/irises, reproductive organs, brain material, etc.? I know some of these are SciFi hypothetical scenarios (straight out of Minority Report, lol), but testicle and ovary transplants have happened, and as science advances, would opposition to tissues of these kinds open some issues?


On a related side-note, you can (should) also donate your voice to be merged with what's left of a speech-impaired person's voice to give them a unique artificial voice, or bank yours should you ever lose your speech: https://www.vocalid.co/

 

[nillah]

Or donate it to the arts. A taxidermy museum with animal heads on human bodies would be most spectacular

1+ 👍🏿

 

[Davilmar]

People arrive at preferences because of reasons. They can be nonsensical, they can be selfish, they can be whatever. The topic is asking you what reasons influenced your preferences. If you are honestly telling me you have no reason for your preference, then, yes, I flat out don't believe you.

Were you truly to have a preference with no reasoning behind it - perhaps because you'd never considered the issue - then logically you should be open to sway and reason. This topic is full of it.

You have some reason for your preference, but you clearly don't wish to share it. I don't particularly care what your reason is, but don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

To answer your second question - no, I wouldn't accept any reason. Because they all come at the expensive of others. I think people who choose not to donate are selfish people.

This is actually better explanation that some of the more aggressive responses I've seen here. I have friends who are organ donors. I'm happy if that's there choice. I just want to die the same as everyone I know in my culture does. Full body intact. That's the gist of my reason. Not deeply profound, is it? Also, please stop shoving accusations down my throat as if I'm some malicious person hiding my intentions. Calm down.

Also, all people are selfish. Some reasons are more justified than others. Unlike other people, I think that people should be allowed to be selfish. If someone had mad millions off of real estate, that person can chose to be charitable or not. If refusing to donate my organs are selfish (as it is, with almost all decisions we make), that's my right to be selfish. I'm under no obligation to donate my organs. That's really it.

 

[ChrisD]

I tried to opt-in at the DPS when I got my license, but they gave some reason it couldn't be done there, despite being on the form.

Opt-out being the option sounds so much better.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I just want to die the same as everyone I know in my culture does. Full body intact. That's the gist of my reason.

Then why didn't you just say that to begin with? That's literally what the topic was asking for.

 

[Krejlooc]

What about opposition to donating specific organs; for example, wanting to refuse to donate tissue that holds some ID that is uniquely one's own (ignoring raw DNA) like retinas/irises, reproductive organs, brain material, etc.? I know some of these are SciFi hypothetical scenarios (straight out of Minority Report, lol), but testicle and ovary transplants have happened, and as science advances, would opposition to tissues of these kinds open some issues?

Why would a testical or ovary transplant be uniquely yours? If you cut off my balls, put them on someone else, then they have a kid, that kid doesn't have my genes.

The rest of your examples - why would I care? I'm dead.

 

[Krejlooc]

This is actually better explanation that some of the more aggressive responses I've seen here. I have friends who are organ donors. I'm happy if that's there choice. I just want to die the same as everyone I know in my culture does. Full body intact. That's the gist of my reason. Not deeply profound, is it? Also, please stop shoving accusations down my throat as if I'm some malicious person hiding my intentions. Calm down.

Death is a binary state. You die, then they take your body apart. You will die full body intact, someone removing your organs after will not change that.

Now, I get that you actually mean you wish to have a death ritual the same as everyone else. You are aware that people who donate organs have the exact same death ritual as everyone else right? In fact, one way or another, your organs are removed. You are never buried with them - the mortician removes them and throws them in the trash. Cremation is self explanatory.

Also, all people are selfish. Some reasons are more justified than others. Unlike other people, I think that people should be allowed to be selfish. If someone had mad millions off of real estate, that person can chose to be charitable or not. If refusing to donate my organs are selfish (as it is, with almost all decisions we make), that's my right to be selfish. I'm under no obligation to donate my organs. That's really it.

Donating your organs is something very important, and totally humanitarian. Forgive me if I get worked up about inactivity. This is something I obviously believe in. You have a right to be selfish, of course. You should rise above it. It makes you a better person.

 

[Mad Season]

It's common courtesy.

15 years...

 

[Gnome Scat]

That opt out thing is a great idea.

OT: I won't need my organs if I'm dead.

 

[SaganIsGOAT]

Well you got one thing correct, this is neogaf.

"I don't have any reasons to support my preference for organ donation. But oh man, ask me about DLC in video games!"

Oh my god 😂😂😂

 

[Dr. Buni]

Until a few months ago, it wasn't a matter of not wanting, but a matter of donating my organs not being possible for me. See, I was planning on killing myself. Surely there's a way of doing that without fucking up my organs entirely, but I had no idea how and it would probably not be in my reach anyways. Nowadays, I am not really suicidal anymore (I don't know for how long, though), so I am willing to donate all of my organs after I die.

That movie is like fifteen years old, I'd say whatever imaginary statute of limitations have long since passed

Spoilers don't have expiration dates. A work can be 200 years old, it still is nice to not spoil its major events.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I've heard it's against being a Jehovah's witness, and Islam. True or false?

Also, I fully support the opt out idea. It will save a lot of lives.

 

[FO-totality]

Why would a testical or ovary transplant be uniquely yours? If you cut off my balls, put them on someone else, then they have a kid, that kid doesn't have my genes.

The rest of your examples - why would I care? I'm dead.

Are you sure? From what I can find, the sperm would still carry your genetic code.

As for the eye tissues, its more an ID recognition thing (like Minority Report, I guess. First thing that pops to mind). Of course, if that tech fails to enter vogue (even though it already exists), it's a moot point. For brain tissue, it's more a philosophical question to me. The brain is, arguably, what is the most 'you'. If that's transplanted, at some level, couldn't one argue that they're manipulating with what makes you, well, you. Idk. I pose it more as a thought experiment. Should things that carry some level of outward and unique identifying information be transplanted?

 

[Face it Tiger..]

Probably people being scared that a hospital might not try so hard to keep them alive if they're running short on organs.

Personally I'm just lazy

number one and only reason..

 

[SaganIsGOAT]

I've heard it's against being a Jehovah's witness, and Islam. True or false?

Also, I fully support apt out. It will save a lot of lives.

I used to get some bs reasons why I couldn't from my catholic family, something to do with murder and the soul and other shit I don't even care about anymore.

 

[Krejlooc]

Are you sure? From what I can find, the sperm would still carry your genetic code.

Does it? Well, regardless, I personally wouldn't care. But then again I don't see anything wrong with adoption, or sperm donation.

As for the eye tissues, its more an ID recognition thing (like Minority Report, I guess. First thing that pops to mind). Of course, if that tech fails to enter vogue, it's a moot point. For brain tissue, it's more a philosophical question to me. The brain is, arguably, what is the most 'you'. If that's transplanted, at some level, couldn't one argue that they're manipulating with what makes you, well, you. Idk. I pose it more a thought experiment. Should things that carry some level of outward and unique identifying information be transplanted?

This is definitely a philosophical question. Are we just a series of chemical reactions, of which case the brain is just a piece of machinery? Or is it our brains that make those specific, exact chemical reactions? Am I a different person each day? From moment to moment?

 

[NoblesseOblige]

number one and only reason..

Which statement are you saying is the reason? The first line isn't a a very good one one since the fear is irrational.The second doesn't answer why you're unwilling as much as why haven't you opt-in to donate.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Also, all people are selfish. Some reasons are more justified than others. Unlike other people, I think that people should be allowed to be selfish. If someone had mad millions off of real estate, that person can chose to be charitable or not. If refusing to donate my organs are selfish (as it is, with almost all decisions we make), that's my right to be selfish. I'm under no obligation to donate my organs. That's really it.

Selfishness means you don't want to give up something to give to someone else. The real estate mogul doesn't want to give away money because he wants to keep the money. You can't possess something when you no longer exist as a person, so you aren't giving away something at that point.

A more apt analogy would be the real estate mogul choosing to buried with his money in the casket, rather than let any person or group or charity have any of it after death. And that's still better described as spite rather than selfishness. (At least the money makes it into the casket, whereas your organs are going in a dumpster anyway. You literally have to give them up to another person, or to the garbage man, or to the fires of cremation no matter what.)

Can we at least say "out of spite for the living world" rather than "out of selfishness" for the sake of accuracy?

 

[Krejlooc]

I've heard it's against being a Jehovah's witness, and Islam. True or false?

Also, I fully support the opt out idea. It will save a lot of lives.

My uncle was a jehovah's witness and refused organ donation, sadly.

 

[-COOLIO-]

My uncle was a jehovah's witness and refused organ donation, sadly.

I'm guessing both receiving and giving, right?

A damn shame.

 

[styl3s]

I don't know if i can give a reason to please the people who just can't accept the fact some people just don't want their organs donated. I'm not going to donate my organs and best possible reason i can give is that it's my body and i don't know what happens after i die if it's just nothingness, rebirth, heaven whatever i just know that im going back in the ground the way i came out and if it's not a good enough reason then i don't know what to tell you.

 

[dalin80]

Well if the point people are getting wound up about is 'why?' rather then 'it's your choice', then I shall make my answer simple.

I don't want my organs being wasted on people who I would dislike while alive, hence why unless there is way I can choose who they go to then that's that.

 

[Krejlooc]

I'm guessing both receiving and giving, right?

A damn shame.

yes, he died of kidney failure.

 

[Bay Maximus]

1) The US should adopt an opt-out system.

2) If you choose to opt-out, they should take your organs anyway because fuck you.

 

[kingkaiser]

Because I have ethical doubts treating the human body like a spare parts storage.

To be honest, I would rather die from organ failure than accepting a donation from a recently deceased person I never knew.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I don't know if i can give a reason to please the people who just can't accept the fact some people just don't want their organs donated. I'm not going to donate my organs and best possible reason i can give is that it's my body and i don't know what happens after i die if it's just nothingness, rebirth, heaven whatever i just know that im going back in the ground the way i came out and if it's not a good enough reason then i don't know what to tell you.

You didn't come out of the ground. Also if you're in the western world more than likely your organs are going to be adjusted if not outright removed post death. In any case, at least you gave something of an answer. "I might need them in the afterlife", while an inadequate answer to me, is an answer nonetheless.

 

[Krejlooc]

Well if the point people are getting wound up about is 'why?' rather then 'it's your choice', then I shall make my answer simple.

I don't want my organs being wasted on people who I would dislike while alive, hence why unless there is way I can choose who they go to then that's that.

So donate your body to science. Letting your body rot in the ground is selfish.

.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I just remembered a thread I made about the idea that organ donors should get first dibs on available organs if they're in need. I still think that's a good idea.

Obviously exceptions would be made for people that can't donate organs and other edge cases.

 

[1044]

Until a few months ago, it wasn't a matter of not wanting, but a matter of donating my organs not being possible for me. See, I was planning on killing myself. Surely there's a way of doing that without fucking up my organs entirely, but I had no idea how and it would probably not be in my reach anyways. Nowadays, I am not really suicidal anymore (I don't know for how long, though), so I am willing to donate all of my organs after I die.

That is pretty thought-provoking. I often hear suicidal thoughts commonly have a theme of 'people would be happier if I died'. Compound that with the fact that if you are an organ donor that is an actual reality that you dying would make people happy. There are already people in this thread labeling people as selfish if they don't donate. Would it also be selfish to keep living if you are not enjoying your life and others would benefit from your death?

I am in no means advocating suicide. I'm genuinely pleased that you said your are not suicidal anymore. But for the sake of discussion, should people with depression be removed from the organ donor list?

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Well if the point people are getting wound up about is 'why?' rather then 'it's your choice', then I shall make my answer simple.

I don't want my organs being wasted on people who I would dislike while alive, hence why unless there is way I can choose who they go to then that's that.

You still haven't answered whether you're against science/medicine using your organs to advance their field. Or are you implying you dislike all doctors?

 

[Krejlooc]

I don't know if i can give a reason to please the people who just can't accept the fact some people just don't want their organs donated. I'm not going to donate my organs and best possible reason i can give is that it's my body and i don't know what happens after i die if it's just nothingness, rebirth, heaven whatever i just know that im going back in the ground the way i came out and if it's not a good enough reason then i don't know what to tell you.

You know they remove your organs when they bury you, right? They go in the trash.

So no, you're not going into the ground the way you came out.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Because I have ethical doubts treating the human body like a spare parts storage.

To be honest, I would rather die from organ failure than accepting a donation from a recently deceased person I never knew.

I've never understood how someone could simultaneously have ethical issues with organ transplant while not having a greater ethical issue with completely needless death. How do you value the original location of a kidney over someone's life?

Like the cultists who feel using medicine is a greater sin than watching their child die.

I just remembered a thread I made about the idea that organ donars should get first dibs on available organs if they're in need. I still think that's a good idea.

Obviously exceptions would be made for people that can't donate organs and other edge cases.

But we need those people to die to keep the organ transplant cycle going . *twirls mustache*

 

[norm9]

My body parts are pretty cruddy so I probably couldn't even give them away. My ghost would die of embarrassment if some person in need was like no thanks to a portion of my guts.

ETA- Law & Order SVU had a good episode on black market organs dealing with buying them and who gets them.

 

[BananaPancake]

When I was a kid I remember sitting in a Dentist's reception waiting to be seen. And they had a table there full of leaflets and magazines. I saw an organ donor leaflet there full of information and the card itself (that lets people know you're an organ donor) that you fill out and keep in your wallet/purse. I picked it up and wanted to fill it out right away. I thought only positive things about it, that it's a great idea and everyone should have one. My mother who was with me took it from my hand, put it back on the table and told me I wasn't allowed to have it. I remember thinking that was weird and why not, was there something wrong with doing that.

Ever since then I've just never really thought about much or tried again. I avoided it. I guess I always felt a bit weird about it after that, I don't know why.

 

[FO-totality]

Does it? Well, regardless, I personally wouldn't care. But then again I don't see anything wrong with adoption, or sperm donation.



This is definitely a philosophical question. Are we just a series of chemical reactions, of which case the brain is just a piece of machinery? Or is it our brains that make those specific, exact chemical reactions? Am I a different person each day? From moment to moment?

Yeah, from a quick search they would ("Spermatogenic cells are derived from primordial germ cells that enter the testicles during the fifth week of pregnancy."), but the same reasons you highlight are the same reason that (currently) testicle transplants tend to only be autotransplants (back into their original donors) and only one case of an allogenic transplant (but this was between identical twins so a moot point), as they're just easier to do. But, if it did (for some reason) come into use, I think someone should have a right to control whether or not their genes are continued.

Right, and extending that (and back to the question at hand that I posed), should we manipulate one person's consciousness with the material of another? What if memories somehow transfer (I'm daydreaming, flow with me); don't I have the right while living to refuse the sharing of my private knowledge and feelings? Shouldn't I also have the right to refuse that, when I die, my 'keys' (physical or within one's head) vanish with me?

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

I don't want my guts to touch sick people

Spoiler

paraphrasing bart simpson lol

 

[SaganIsGOAT]

I just hope those of you with the "I just want to go into the ground complete" mentality have read up on the process of burials, cause if you haven't just know your body will enjoy a wonderful cocktail of chemicals from the embalming process. I hope everyone opts in for Natural burials.


http://www.techinsider.io/burying-dead-bodies-environment-funeral-conservation-2015-10

 

[dalin80]

You know they remove your organs when they bury you, right? They go in the trash.

So no, you're not going into the ground the way you came out.

That's only if you have a full autopsy, for the vast majority of folk you are buried whole, again at least in the UK.

You still haven't answered whether you're against science/medicine using your organs to advance their field. Or are you implying you dislike all doctors?

If I could donate it or specific parts to specific causes/studies then I would be OK with that, a generic 'give me to anyone for that there learning' not so much. I know the idiocy that goes on in med schools with cadavers and don't want to be part of that game. As is there only seems to be a generic 'donate to science' facility but I haven't looked into it much.

 

[styl3s]

You know they remove your organs when they bury you, right? They go in the trash.

So no, you're not going into the ground the way you came out.

Let them go in the trash.

Better to be thrown away then put into someone who i don't know and/or may not deserve them. And back in the ground is a figure of speech i don't mean i literally was birthed from the ground i am not that ridiculous. I don't donate, it's my body my right and that's really the only explanation i need but i guess you could just say i am incredibly selfish.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

If I could donate it or specific parts to specific causes/studies then I would be OK with that, a generic 'give me to anyone for that there learning' not so much. I know the idiocy that goes on in med schools with cadavers and don't want to be part of that game. As is there only seems to be a generic 'donate to science' facility but I haven't looked into it much.

I believe Krejlocc previously mentioned that, unlike donating organs to a donor registry to be used in people, you actually do have some say in dictating which study or body of 'science' get your remains. If he or someone else wants to correct me on that I welcome it.

Edit:

Let them go in the trash.

Better to be thrown away then put into someone who i don't know and/or may not deserve them. And back in the ground is a figure of speech i don't mean i literally was birthed from the ground i am not that ridiculous. I don't donate, it's my body my right and that's really the only explanation i need but i guess you could just say i am incredibly selfish.

Well you went from actually giving an answer (however poor it may have been) to not any answer at all. Bravo, I rarely see that. And I wouldn't say you're selfish because being selfish implies a gain. You're not gaining anything from keeping your organs when you're dead. You're just kind of being a douche and hold spite for your fellow human. I am glad I don't harbor such contempt.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Let them go in the trash.

Better to be thrown away then put into someone who i don't know and/or may not deserve them. And back in the ground is a figure of speech i don't mean i literally was birthed from the ground i am not that ridiculous. I don't donate, it's my body my right and that's really the only explanation i need but i guess you could just say i am incredibly selfish.

You don't need any justification because it's optional. Just don't expect to parade around such a nonsensical explanation and demand respect for it that it doesn't deserve.

I'm sorry that guaranteeing one more person waiting on the list dies, is somehow better than letting someone you don't know live or who may not "deserve" them (something the waiting list tends to screen out.). It must be hard living with such contempt for the world and the inability to experience empathy.

If someone was in a burning building screaming for help from the second story window, and there was a ladder in the ground, you clearly would not give them the ladder because they might not deserve to live (or you just don't know them). If I'm wrong then tell me how it's different.

 

[adamsappel]

I understand the scepticism when you read stories about the wrong people getting organs, like that kid who got a heart transplant and then kept stealing cars or shooting people or some shit. Or this fucking guy, using up six hearts (because he's got money, let's be honest), when he should have just given up by now.

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/david-rockefellers-sixth-heart-transplant-successful-at-age-99/

I'm a donor myself, just playing devil's advocate. I do get people's criticism when shit like this happens.

Has it been pointed out that appears to be a parody site?

As for the eye tissues, its more an ID recognition thing (like Minority Report, I guess. First thing that pops to mind). Of course, if that tech fails to enter vogue (even though it already exists), it's a moot point. For brain tissue, it's more a philosophical question to me. The brain is, arguably, what is the most 'you'. If that's transplanted, at some level, couldn't one argue that they're manipulating with what makes you, well, you. Idk. I pose it more as a thought experiment. Should things that carry some level of outward and unique identifying information be transplanted?

Wouldn't you need to have your retina imprint registered in a database for it to be considered "yours"? It's just a unique pattern.

I don't know if i can give a reason to please the people who just can't accept the fact some people just don't want their organs donated. I'm not going to donate my organs and best possible reason i can give is that it's my body and i don't know what happens after i die if it's just nothingness, rebirth, heaven whatever i just know that im going back in the ground the way i came out and if it's not a good enough reason then i don't know what to tell you.

You sound like you're preparing for an afterlife as a zombie.

 

[FO-totality]

Wouldn't you need to have your retina imprint registered in a database for it to be considered "yours"? It's just a unique pattern.

Yeah, its like your fingerprints, if I'm not mistaken. And if it has been, wouldn't be understandable to refuse that specific tissue donation?

 

[Sakura]

I would opt in if I could get money for doing so.
Otherwise I have no interest in donating organs.
Either way, in the future I'm sure this will be irrelevant as we get synthetic organs.

 

[LaserBuddha]

I would opt in if I could get money for doing so.
Otherwise I have no interest in donating organs.
Either way, in the future I'm sure this will be irrelevant as we get synthetic organs.

I don't have an interest in going out and being a hero, but if you we're on fire I'd at least piss on you. Wouldn't even require payment.

 

[kingkaiser]

I've never understood how someone could simultaneously have ethical issues with organ transplant while not having a greater ethical issue with completely needless death.

I find this "life at all costs" mindset rather irritating, some people just have principles.

How do you value the original location of a kidney over someone's life?

See that's my problem. Reducing a person just to the sum of its parts. It's not about the organ, it's about the completely unfamiliar person you are receiving from or giving to.

I have zero problems with donations between family members.

Like the cultists who feel using medicine is a greater sin than watching their child die.

Comparing medicine with living tissue taken from a corpse is kind of ridiculous.

 

[Seven4sses]

you have plenty of organs that wouldn't be affected by your smoking.

Your organs are always valuable. For example, even if you were a smoker most your life you can donate them to science so that they may be studied to examine the effects of smoking. If not that then there's countless other uses for them.

Well if they can't find someone to use my organs at least they can go to science. At least then they can be useful for something. Was kinda thinking my vices would affect them somehow.

Good imput, guys

 

[Sakura]

I don't have an interest in going out and being a hero, but if you we're on fire I'd at least piss on you. Wouldn't even require payment.

Thanks