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[Skii]

It's not unforgivable it's just the story. Gohan isn't underutilized if he's actively involved in a story line and at the moment he is the focus of it.

And I'm saying that the story is poorly constructed at the moment. Gohan isn't really involved in the story. He's had the grand total of 1 episode dedicated to him and it's spent demonstrating how much his fighting skill has degenerated in a show that completely revolves around fighting.

Gohan ain't Goku 2.0. They're really driving that home. Basically, "Chi-Chi was right and Goku was wrong."

Also- RoF was also about Goku learning his lesson about giving bad guys benefit of the doubt. Vegeta also suffered from his own set back - cocky showboating. Weird to say it's lousy writing when Whis made it very clear what their weaknesses were from the beginning (ego and carelessness) and because of them the Earth was initially destroyed.

Again, this doesn't make sense. You could easily write into the story that Gohan trains and does his family/scholar stuff. If normal humans can do that, I'm sure he can.

ROF wasn't really about Goku learning his lesson. It was about getting a cheap shot on Frieza because Toriyama can't stand any other character getting the kill other than Goku. If you want to demonstrate Goku learning his lesson, that is simply one of the worst ways to do it.

Vegeta's set back wasn't showboating... That was Goku's :S

Vegeta's set back was that he always lived in Goku's shadow because he didn't learn to relax. The movie could've easily been about Vegeta learning his lesson which would've made a lot more sense considering he spent the majority of the time resting and not really caring about the fight.

Really surprised anyone can defend ROF's ending. It is easily the worst thing about it. It had good fight scenes and an interesting premise but it was ultimately let down by a very cheap ending.

 

[Real Hero]

And I'm saying that the story is poorly constructed at the moment. Gohan isn't really involved in the story. He's had the grand total of 1 episode dedicated to him and it's spent demonstrating how much his fighting skill has degenerated in a show that completely revolves around fighting.



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I don't see why this isn't a good or interesting use of gohan

 

[Skii]

I don't see why this isn't a good or interesting use of gohan

Because I think the whole scenario is still pretty inconsistent with his character and unless he is somehow involved in the

Spoiler

universe 5 team battle

, it is poor writing. The mockery of one of the main characters who is consistently one of the strongest can only be good writing imo if he ends up improving later on in the story.

I know this is opinions and I know I'm slightly biased but I really can't see how people feel this is good writing.

 

[Calvero]

All I know is that Gohan is the GOAT

 

[Zero-ELEC]

My ideal scenario for an actual post-End of Z series is one that goes full slice of life and follows Pan and Bra around as they use their incredible genetic strength to play at being magical girls for kicks, while the general insanity that follows their parents and grandparents around keeps happening in the background and they don't even really care.

I think I am at odds with a significant chunk of the Dragon Ball fanbase, though.

I'd watch this so much.

 

[plentyofmilhouse]

Legit emotional response from me at the end of episode 22. With that and Krillin's little moment last week, I'm glad Super is at least trying to deliver something more than fighting and comedy, even if the execution is pretty clumsy. The Saiyan/Freezer saga call-backs have been great too.

I think I'm enjoying this arc more than the BoG material, maybe because while the BoG movie didn't feel like it was really lacking anything, RoF felt like almost an abbreviated version of a much cooler story.

Episode 23 speculation:

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With his real boss dad seemingly down for the count, Gohan's surely gonna go crazy. From the preview I'm guessing he'll try and so Super Saiyan 2 but his scrub body won't be able to handle it, then dead-beat fake dad will show up and take over the battle for a while.

End of arc hopes/speculation:

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Hoping Vegeta is the one to finish Freeza off this time and Gohan resolves to train at least a little between all those Difficult Books.

 

[Kagari]

Legit emotional response from me at the end of episode 22. With that and Krillin's little moment last week, I'm glad Super is at least trying to deliver something more than fighting and comedy, even if the execution is pretty clumsy. The Saiyan/Freezer saga call-backs have been great too.

I think I'm enjoying this arc more than the BoG material, maybe because while the BoG movie didn't feel like it was really lacking anything, RoF felt like almost an abbreviated version of a much cooler story.

Episode 23 speculation:

Spoiler

With his real boss dad seemingly down for the count, Gohan's surely gonna go crazy. From the preview I'm guessing he'll try and so Super Saiyan 2 but his scrub body won't be able to handle it, then dead-beat fake dad will show up and take over the battle for a while.

End of arc hopes/speculation:

Spoiler

Hoping Vegeta is the one to finish Freeza off this time and Gohan resolves to train at least a little between all those Difficult Books.

I would be okay with all of this. Let's hope you're right.

 

[Nemo]

The only version of Gohan that's interesting:

In the main timeline, I find goofy and "weak" Gohan to be way more interesting than Cell Games or Mystic Gohan.

I love DB when it's not all about the power and the transformations (I've been a Dragon Ball fan since the late 80s).

Ohhh dammn I forgot about this Gohan

QFT, this Gohan was crazy good, forced into a man by pressure

 

[Cromat]

Willing to bet that Gohan becomes strongest at some point in Super.
This entire show is about fan service - fans love the Goku/Vegeta dynamic so they make that a major part of the plot. Eventually Gohan fans will be annoyed and he will have his moment (only for it not to matter in the end).

 

[ant1532]

Willing to bet that Gohan becomes strongest at some point in Super.
This entire show is about fan service - fans love the Goku/Vegeta dynamic so they make that a major part of the plot. Eventually Gohan fans will be annoyed and he will have his moment (only for it not to matter in the end).

um no, it's really not.

 

[Cromat]

um no, it's really not.

Goku and Vegeta held in equal regard? New transformations? Freeza coming back?

 

[Slayer-33]

Goku and Vegeta held in equal regard? New transformations? Freeza coming back?

Brolly gon make that intro soon

 

[Daingurse]

I have no faith in Gohan returning to proper form. I saw a poster earlier who said if anything Gohan is getting setup to be a family man period, and I agree. Gohan is like a set of bowling pins now, just made to be setup and subsequently knocked down. Anything Gohan accomplishes will be taken from him soon enough. It's in his nature. Sucks because I liked Gohan as a kid a lot.

 

[ant1532]

Goku and Vegeta held in equal regard? New transformations? Freeza coming back?

ssj5, broly, non stop fightings scenes with all the z warriors, and a a way more serious tone with little humor would be fan service for american audience.

 

[Cromat]

ssj5, broly, non stop fightings scenes with all the z warriors, and a a way more serious tone with little humor would be fan service for american audience.

Well they are doing a type of SSJ5. I really hope Brolly never appears...

 

[NeonZ]

ssj5, broly, non stop fightings scenes with all the z warriors, and a a way more serious tone with little humor would be fan service for american audience.

The Japanese audience seemed to like all that stuff just fine too, considering most of Toei's 90s movies and stuff like Broly getting many new forms in Dragonball Heroes. The current direction of the franchise exists due to Toriyama having a lot of creative power, at least as far as its overall direction goes, even if he isn't really writing the tv scripts.

 

[Maniel]

I love how this thread has basically become a Gohan thread.

 

[BigBadGiantHand]

I love how this thread has basically become a Gohan thread.

As it should be.

Spoiler

Just kidding

Spoiler

.....but not really.

 

[Galang]

As it should be.

Spoiler

Just kidding

Spoiler

.....but not really.

It really is as it should be

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

Well they are doing a type of SSJ5. I really hope Brolly never appears...

As long as AT is writing the plot outline you can rest easy that Broly will never appear.

The only filler character he has ever added to the manga and show is Bardock, and he was characterized completely different in Dragon Ball Minus.

 

[Kagari]

I love how this thread has basically become a Gohan thread.

It has been foretold.

 

[TheRealTalker]

this thread being only about Gohan now and the One Punch Man thread only being about Tatsumaki I wonder if GAF has a bad character fetish

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

It has been foretold.

 

[Daingurse]

It has been foretold.

 

[orochi91]

I love how this thread has basically become a Gohan thread.

The fandom want this fool to step up.

Dude needs to ditch his "family man" persona.

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

The fandom want this fool to step up.

Dude needs to ditch his "family man" persona.

The end of Z is gonna prevent that from happening.

 

[Russ T]

this thread being only about Gohan now and the One Punch Man thread only being about Tatsumaki I wonder if GAF has a bad character fetish

well tatsumaki is at least a good character, unlike gohan

just the anime hasn't reached the point where she shines, yet

 

[Welfare]

The end of Z is gonna prevent that from happening.

The end of Z also has Gohan not look like a noodle.

Hopes and prayers will be answered.

 

[TheRealTalker]

well tatsumaki is at least a good character, unlike gohan

just the anime hasn't reached the point where she shines, yet

I read ONE's original work so I can agree she later on becomes better in a power sense (since her personality is her character which is not good at all)


what is overly sad is how I now need to toss Gohan into bad characters posts

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

The end of Z also has Gohan not look like a noodle.

Hopes and prayers will be answered.

Artstyle≠Plot

Your just setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[Feltrol]

I wonder if we ever will learn more about Goku's Mother, Gine. It just seems off to officialy create the character and do nothing else with it, but you know, it might just be to fill the gap.

 

[Magwik]

Not even in the DBZ thread can i escape the Tatsumaki talk from the OPM thread
Also you guys need to give up on Gohan, just take the L

 

[Russ T]

(Actually realistically it really does seem like they're setting up Gohan to come back in a big way. Much as I don't give a shit about him, it's... pretty obvious.)

((The only characters besides Goku and Vegeta who matter are Piccolo and Krillin. And maybe Gotenks.))

 

[TheRealTalker]

The end of Z also has Gohan not look like a noodle.

Hopes and prayers will be answered.

Artstyle≠Plot

Your just setting yourself up for disappointment.

if we went by art-style being connected to plot

Gohan would be somehow connected to Yamcha

 

[Hidden One]

The end of Z is gonna prevent that from happening.

They need to recton the end of Z. I don't even care anymore. Make Gohan a boss again.

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

They need to recton the end of Z. I don't even care anymore. Make Gohan a boss again.

Are they gonna retcon the start of Z too?

Gohan has been fairly consistent throughout Z that he doesn't want to be a fighter.

 

[Kagari]

But he's not afraid to protect his family/friends. People love to forget about that.

 

[Daingurse]

Are they gonna retcon the start of Z too?



Gohan has been fairly consistent throughout Z that he doesn't want to be a fighter.

That's why I liked Gohan. He doesn't want to be a fighter or fight, but still he fights. It actually added some dimension to his character. Of course it helps that he has the potential to probably be the strongest in the universe. That also makes it painful to see him languish. If he doesn't see the benefit to training after this encounter with Frieza, then he needs to just gone ahead and be a family man. End the suffering.

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

But he's not afraid to protect his family/friends. People love to forget about that.

That's never been enough to keep him training apparently and hand me down power ups can only take you so far if you don't train.

He knows Goku and Vegeta will take care of all the threats, so he can fulfill his life dream as a scholar.

Which the first panel of the end of Z finally confirms.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

My problem with gohan is that he's the most boring main fighter. No unique techniques, no smart tactics like everyone else just brute swinging behind a guy usually too drunk off his power to think for a second.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

That's why I liked Gohan. He doesn't want to be a fighter or fight, but still he fights. It actually added some dimension to his character. Of course it helps that he has the potential to probably be the strongest in the universe. That also makes it painful to see him languish. If he doesn't see the benefit to training after this encounter with Frieza, then he needs to just gone ahead and be a family man. End the suffering.

Gohan is infinitely more interesting than Goku in just about every way.

Goku is a brain damaged space monkey who only cares about food and fighting. I mean, this is actually pretty entertaining and he is a lovable guy, but...

Gohan is an introverted, intellectually minded person who happened to win the genetic lottery and inherited an enormous amount of fighting potential. He fights not for himself, but for others, and when he fights he never pulls stupid moves like giving his opponent a senzu bean or whatever. He takes it seriously, because he realizes he is fighting for an honest reason, and he needs to protect the people he loves. He is the exact opposite of Goku in this regard. Look at Future Gohan when he knocks out Trunks in order to keep him from getting hurt before going to fight the androids vs. Goku constantly trying to put Gohan into the fray against Cell. And here's the most interesting thing - Gohan is fierce when he fights. His caring nature makes him feel vindictive against those who hurt people he cares about. He obliterates the Cell Jrs., he toys with Cell, he taunts Buu. Goku does show this to an extent - I mean, it's the reason he went Super Saiyan in the first place - but he doesn't have that underlying viciousness to him even then.

There's a reason Gohan has such a huge fanbase, and it goes beyond him being inherently stronger than Goku. The way he's so different from Goku really makes me want to see more of Goten when he's older, because the (very brief) glimpse we got of his older self shows him to be different from both his father and his brother, taking things in stride and having a kind of lazy and carefree attitude.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Gohan blows

 

[MikeMyers]

if we went by art-style being connected to plot

Gohan would be somehow connected to Yamcha

Well, it would explain a few things.

 

[TheRealTalker]

But he's not afraid to protect his family/friends. People love to forget about that.

Kagari just join team Piccolo

 

[Sandfox]

But he's not afraid to protect his family/friends. People love to forget about that.

Except when he has to fight a giant green bug lol. Gohan has a good head on his shoulders, but he just doesn't care about fighting.

 

[dity]

I'm still watching through Z in HD. I'm up to Vegeta turning SSJ in front of Android 19. Still one of the more awesome moments in the show.

And I'm saying that the story is poorly constructed at the moment. Gohan isn't really involved in the story. He's had the grand total of 1 episode dedicated to him and it's spent demonstrating how much his fighting skill has degenerated in a show that completely revolves around fighting.

Again, this doesn't make sense. You could easily write into the story that Gohan trains and does his family/scholar stuff. If normal humans can do that, I'm sure he can.

ROF wasn't really about Goku learning his lesson. It was about getting a cheap shot on Frieza because Toriyama can't stand any other character getting the kill other than Goku. If you want to demonstrate Goku learning his lesson, that is simply one of the worst ways to do it.

Vegeta's set back wasn't showboating... That was Goku's :S

Vegeta's set back was that he always lived in Goku's shadow because he didn't learn to relax. The movie could've easily been about Vegeta learning his lesson which would've made a lot more sense considering he spent the majority of the time resting and not really caring about the fight.

Really surprised anyone can defend ROF's ending. It is easily the worst thing about it. It had good fight scenes and an interesting premise but it was ultimately let down by a very cheap ending.

Oh come ooon lol. Vegeta stood there giving a speech giving Frieza all the opportunity to destroy the planet- and he did. Whis was like "yo Goku you guys shouldn't slack" and then he came back to fix the situation because there was no time to tell Vegeta to get on with it.

I honestly had no problem with RoF's ending, and Vegeta is one of my fav characters. I like when he showboats (standing there all SSB while telling Frieza how much better he is now), I like when things blow up in his face, I like the flaws.

Gohan doesn't train anymore. He doesn't want to. He only wanted to hang with his dad and Piccolo back then but now he considers himself a father with responsibilities. This arc is probably his send-off.

Sometimes it doesn't feel like you guys watched the movie and intead just watched fight clips on Youtube lol.

 

[EightBitNate]

https://twitter.com/teamfourstar/status/674374662550241280

Episodes of Abridged are getting removed from YT :/

 

[dity]

https://twitter.com/teamfourstar/status/674374662550241280

Episodes of Abridged are getting removed from YT :/

After other DBZ clips got taken down some weeks ago, I'm surprised TFS wasn't hit earlier.

 

[Russ T]

Gohan is infinitely more interesting than Goku in just about every way.

Goku is a brain damaged space monkey who only cares about food and fighting. I mean, this is actually pretty entertaining and he is a lovable guy, but...

Gohan is an introverted, intellectually minded person who happened to win the genetic lottery and inherited an enormous amount of fighting potential. He fights not for himself, but for others, and when he fights he never pulls stupid moves like giving his opponent a senzu bean or whatever. He takes it seriously, because he realizes he is fighting for an honest reason, and he needs to protect the people he loves. He is the exact opposite of Goku in this regard. Look at Future Gohan when he knocks out Trunks in order to keep him from getting hurt before going to fight the androids vs. Goku constantly trying to put Gohan into the fray against Cell. And here's the most interesting thing - Gohan is fierce when he fights. His caring nature makes him feel vindictive against those who hurt people he cares about. He obliterates the Cell Jrs., he toys with Cell, he taunts Buu. Goku does show this to an extent - I mean, it's the reason he went Super Saiyan in the first place - but he doesn't have that underlying viciousness to him even then.

There's a reason Gohan has such a huge fanbase, and it goes beyond him being inherently stronger than Goku. The way he's so different from Goku really makes me want to see more of Goten when he's older, because the (very brief) glimpse we got of his older self shows him to be different from both his father and his brother, taking things in stride and having a kind of lazy and carefree attitude.

Gohan blows

best sequence of posts

an absolute work of art

thank you i'm laughing now

 

[Ultra Numb]

If Gohan does catch-up I hope its without some God-Ki upgrade. I think it'd be cool if he's the Saiyan that stays traditional but is still keeping up.