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Street Fighter V Roster Discussion |Thread 2| Deal with it & place your hope for DLC

Nemesis121 said:
SFxT was shit, the universe don't mix, MK vs SF or VF vs Tekken are better suited universe.
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I love both SF and MK but no, they don't fit in at ALL and are waaaay too different from each other. While SF/Tekken are made by totally different publishers,they actually suit each other pretty well universe wise since they are very similar. You can put Ryu/Chun-Li in Tekken and they'll fit perfectly and vice versa with Kazuya/Nina in SF. Heck even both series weird characters won't be that outta place imo....maybe not True Ogre/Azazel though since SF doesn't have big monsters like them lol.
 
I think Akuma being a guest is probably because TxSF got canned. But I could see maybe 1 Tekken character being a guest in season 2. Because Harada and Ono are friends and all.
 
Karsticles said:
Which Tekken character would be best? I know Heihachi is the favorite.
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Well, Tekken ended up getting a popular character that isn't in Street Fighter V. I'd like to see SFV get something similar. If Nina doesn't end up making the roster for this update, then she'd be a solid choice.
 
Scotia said:
Guess characters piss me off. I don't know what else you want me to say.
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For the love of god its Guest not Guess stop sending my ocd out of control

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";188973497]Still waiting on Darkstalkers vs MK[/QUOTE]

DS vs KI would be better, as far as universes go.
 
I think Darkstalkers vs KI would be a fantastic crossover, even if it has zero chance of ever happening.

I'd just love to see KI characters in a game without the KI combo system.
 
Village said:
Why? Explain why? Is what I wish to know?
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I hate guest characters in fighting games more than I do in other games so 'anything' probably isn't the right word.

That said, guest characters that make no sense piss me off. For example, I fucking despise MKX's Kombat Pack 2. The guest characters in that pack are fucking stupid and only serve to please the casuals who have already ditched the game months ago. It's pointless and is solely there for a cheap cash-grab.

For Street Fighter, having a Tekken, KOF or even an MK character take a DLC spot from the dozens of other Street Fighter characters that deserve that spot way more would really piss me off. If they could make it work then I'm fine with it, but 99% of the time they don't. I just think it'd be a waste to have a character from a different franchise appear in a mainline SF game. If you want universes to cross than do a 'X' game. There's no need to bring it into mainline SF.
 
direct_quote said:
I think Akuma being a guest is probably because TxSF got canned. But I could see maybe 1 Tekken character being a guest in season 2. Because Harada and Ono are friends and all.
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Not sure why people insist this, when Harada insist otherwise. Additionally it seems like his team has a lot on their plate at the moment. If anything this leads me to believe it hasn't been canned, in fact the opposite.

Karsticles said:
Which Tekken character would be best? I know Heihachi is the favorite.


Appreciate what others love, as well.
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I'd say Heihachi as well, they can easily do some Illuminati story line thing.
 
Scotia said:
I hate guest characters in fighting games more than I do in other games so 'anything' probably isn't the right word.

That said, guest characters that make no sense piss me off. For example, I fucking despise MKX's Kombat Pack 2. The guest characters in that pack are fucking stupid and only serve to please the casuals who have already ditched the game months ago. It's pointless and is solely there for a cheap cash-grab.

For Street Fighter, having a Tekken, KOF or even an MK character take a DLC spot from the dozens of other Street Fighter characters that deserve that spot way more would really piss me off. If they could make it work then I'm fine with it, but 99% of the time they don't. I just think it'd be a waste to have a character from a different franchise appear in a mainline SF game. If you want universes to cross than do a 'X' game. There's no need to bring it into mainline SF.
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Kuma is taking Sean's spot. Trust me, I'm illuminati
 
J-Tier said:
Imagine a NRS-designed Morrigan. Too sexy.
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Strike two, America.

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Karsticles said:
Which Tekken character would be best? I know Heihachi is the favorite.


Appreciate what others love, as well.
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Heihachi would make sense, but I don't play Tekken really so I dunno. It would also be interesting if we could get guest characters from other Capcom series too, or maybe some from SNK. But I think from what I've heard about bad blood over the last time Capcom and SNK corroborated, it probably won't happen. Plus seeing a SNK character rendered well in 3D versus the PS2 models in KOF14 might be bad for KOF14 lol...
 
Scotia said:
I hate guest characters in fighting games more than I do in other games so 'anything' probably isn't the right word.

That said, guest characters that make no sense piss me off. For example, I fucking despise MKX's Kombat Pack 2. The guest characters in that pack are fucking stupid and only serve to please the casuals who have already ditched the game months ago. It's pointless and is solely there for a cheap cash-grab.

For Street Fighter, having a Tekken, KOF or even an MK character take a DLC spot from the dozens of other Street Fighter characters that deserve that spot way more would really piss me off. If they could make it work then I'm fine with it, but 99% of the time they don't. I just think it'd be a waste to have a character from a different franchise appear in a mainline SF game. If you want universes to cross than do a 'X' game. There's no need to bring it into mainline SF.
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to counter your arguments,

1)While leather face is an obvious shoutout to the guy who made leather face, because he died. Alien fits right in, a matter of fact i'm suprised alien characters weren't mortal combat before. " by alien character i mean things from space, not just alien franchise characters". MK like KI is a monster mash murderey franchise, while It has straitened up its chain hooked laces over the years, its still very much that. Its completely fitting .

2) as for deserving characters, hate to break it to you, if kazuya got into sfV and not sean, it wasn't because kazuya took sean's spot. Its because people give a shit about kazuya, and they don't give a shit about sean. Odds are he wasn't considered very much and wasn't put it. There are no slots, there are just ideas that get farther down to production line. Hate to break it to you , there is no wastes, they never considered your character in the damn first place, or thought them less important. Thems the breaks man.

Also tekken and KOF character would fit perfectly in street fighter to be forreal. Espically since both of em have characters directly based on street fighter characters.
 
direct_quote said:
I think Akuma being a guest is probably because TxSF got canned. But I could see maybe 1 Tekken character being a guest in season 2. Because Harada and Ono are friends and all.
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Quite the opposite, actually. If anything, this is a sign that TxSF is still happening, much like how Akuma ushered in the Marvel vs. Capcom games. Harada has gone on record saying that TxSF was still happening.

Nemesis121 said:
Not trolling, SFxT is trash, the worst Capcom game i have owned since Resident Evil Zero.. MK and SF works better, even Capcom vs SNK part one with all the nerf SNK characters, is better than SFxT,
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Then you haven't played ver. 2013.
 
Village said:
While leather face is an obvious shoutout to the guy who made leather face, because he died.
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Leatherface's creator is still alive. The actor who portrayed him in the original movie died only a month ago, so I doubt his inclusion has anything to do with that.
 
(cross-post from FGW)

Oh, wow, I never noticed this. Sure seems suspicious now:
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Kuma, Nina, and Anna have all been absent from T7 thus far. Full-on character swap for this generation? Would be kinda sick.

Heck, could they actually be setting up TxSF in both T7 and SFV at the same time?
 
I like King, Kunimitsu, and Kazuya a fair amount. Though, in all honesty, I would prefer that no guest characters make it in.

I always feel like i am investing something when I am playing a fighting game character. It feels like a bad investment when that character won't return in subsequent games. There is also a feeling of incongruity. Something not quite matching up. There is already a sub-genre of fighting game that is made for guest characters; I think guest characters should stay in the crossover genre.Moreover, I would prefer that the resources go to including another Street Fighter character instead.

I would one hundred percent back a deal where a Tekken character went to KoF and Vanessa made her way to Street Fighter. That would be the best thing to ever happen. It would be even better if it was a permanent trade...
 
Mizerman said:
Why must you remind me of the American Darkstalkers cartoon?
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Because it's a national treasure.

But seriously, though. I didn't realize how much I wanted Darkstalkers vs. Killer Instinct until just now. Like, even just throwing in a guest character like Morrigan or Demitri into Season 3 of KI would be beautiful (Especially because we know they're planning another guest after Rash), but both games' selections would copy each other pretty well! Despite the similar "Monster Movie" motif they both have, I think the only monsters they have in common are mummies, golems, werewolves, and alien/man-on-fire (Although Pyron is both for DS, while KI splits the role between Glacius and Cinder). Maybe human and a female, traditionally-dressed East Asian entity trying to avenge her family if we want to stretch things. Honestly, no matter which characters they pick, that roster would be legendary. If Season 4 isn't secretly a Darkstalkers spin-off, I'm going to be slightly disappointed (I mean, obviously I won't be surprised, but man, I want that to happen).

Oh well. Rolling things back quite a bit, here's hoping that Akuma in Tekken 7 means that Heihachi'll end up being a surprise 7th character in SFV.
 
Zubz said:
Because it's a national treasure.

But seriously, though. I didn't realize how much I wanted Darkstalkers vs. Killer Instinct until just now. Like, even just throwing in a guest character like Morrigan or Demitri into Season 3 of KI would be beautiful (Especially because we know they're planning another guest after Rash), but both games' selections would copy each other pretty well! Despite the similar "Monster Movie" motif they both have, I think the only monsters they have in common are mummies, golems, werewolves, and alien/man-on-fire (Although Pyron is both for DS, while KI splits the role between Glacius and Cinder). Maybe human and a female, traditionally-dressed East Asian entity trying to avenge her family if we want to stretch things. Honestly, no matter which characters they pick, that roster would be legendary. If Season 4 isn't secretly a Darkstalkers spin-off, I'm going to be slightly disappointed (I mean, obviously I won't be surprised, but man, I want that to happen).

Oh well. Rolling things back quite a bit, here's hoping that Akuma in Tekken 7 means that Heihachi'll end up being a surprise 7th character in SFV.
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Maybe in Wave 2, but it's too late for Wave 1 (he would have otherwise been leaked). That being said, I'd personally prefer Jin in SFV. More so since Heihachi is probably a dead motherfucker given that Akuma is after his ass.
 
Spman2099 said:
I like King, Kunimitsu, and Kazuya a fair amount. Though, in all honesty, I would prefer that no guest characters make it in.

I always feel like i am investing something when I am playing a fighting game character. It feels like a bad investment when that character won't return in subsequent games. There is also a feeling of incongruity. Something not quite matching up. There is already a sub-genre of fighting game that is made for guest characters; I think guest characters should stay in the crossover genre.Moreover, I would prefer that the resources go to including another Street Fighter character instead.

I would one hundred percent back a deal where a Tekken character went to KoF and Vanessa made her way to Street Fighter. That would be the best thing to ever happen. It would be even better if it was a permanent trade...
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While I'm certainly not the biggest fan of guest characters either due to art styles/worlds being forced together that way (despite liking how they portrayed the Tekken crew in Capcom/SF style in SFxT by the way), this is the kind of thinking that leads to the same characters returning to new iterations of fighting games instead of new ones or obscure ones. It's like the MacDonalds effect where newer, possibly better hamburger chains don't stand a chance because everyone keeps going for the same safe options with BigMac's etc. I believe it's also why SFIII failed from the get go to really catch on (i.e. it's new-ness in terms of cast).

I get that for some, fighting games (or other genres) are not meant to be enjoyed casually but rather as a true commitment or even a sport, and I can certainly respect the hell out of that, but such an approach imo should never come at the cost of creative stagnation. This is why I keep hoping to God that developers like Capcom never start to listen exclusively to their most hardcore fans, otherwise we'd only get SFII every few years or exactly the same maps in shooters, same units in RTS games, a similar game structure and a gradual increased focus on PvP in Souls games (which unofrtunately has been happeniing already, at the cost of offline focused fans like me), et cetera.

Edit: this wan't meant to harp on the quoted poster by the way, just to react to a general sentiment often expressed by fighting game fans.
 
Isn't it mostly the more casual fans that actually care for the same popular characters to return. The more hardcore competitive ones, while they may have even more investment into the characters are constantly exposed to them and usually find a character they find fits them in playstyle. So if anything were to stifle them creatively, it would be the possibilty of unfamilair characters turning away casual fans who make up the majority of sales.
 
Wild Card said:
Isn't it mostly the more casual fans that actually care for the same popular characters to return. The more hardcore competitive ones, while they may have even more investment into the characters are constantly exposed to them and usually find a character they find fits them in playstyle. So if anything were to stifle them creatively, it would be the possibilty of unfamilair characters turning away casual fans who make up the majority of sales.
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Casuals need an anchor more than anything else. (Chun, Ryu, Ken, etc.) - the hardcore are the ones who won't play unless they can play character X in the title - the ones that Harada is petrified of losing in the Arcades.
 
Raitaro said:
While I'm certainly not the biggest fan of guest characters either due to art styles/worlds being forced together that way (despite liking how they portayed the Tekken crew in Capcom/SF style in SFxT by the way), this is the kind of thinking that leads to the same characters returning to new iterations of fighting games instead of new ones or obscure ones. It's like the MacDonalds effect where newer, possibly better hamburger chains don't stand a chance because everyone keeps going for the same safe options with BigMac's etc. I believe it's also why SFIII failed from the get go to really catch on (i.e. it's new-ness in terms of cast).

I get that for some, fighting games (or other genres) are not meant to be enjoyed casually but rather as a true commitment or even a sport, and I can certainly respect the hell out of that, but such an approach imo should never come at the cost of creative stagnation. This is why I keep hoping to God that developers like Capcom never start to listen exclusively to their most hardcore fans, otherwise we'd only get SFII every few years or exactly the same maps in shooters, same units in RTS games, a similar game structure and a gradual increased focus on PvP in Souls games (which unofrtunately has been happeniing already, at the cost of offline focused fans like me), et cetera.

Edit: this wan't meant to harp on the quoted poster by the way, just to react to a general sentiment often expressed by fighting game fans.
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A new character can return in subsequent games, a guest character is, for very obvious licensing reasons, unlikely to. I never said I don't want new characters. That has never been my opinion... I am not sure why I was quoted here.

I also have a VERY hard time seeing the exclusion of guest characters as "creative stagnation".
 
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