Same here. It's a nice callout to mythology where prophecy is basically always misinterpreted. Like when one of the warriors in Chaucer's The Knight's Tale asks Ares to predict what will happen at the tournament and he responds with, "Victory!" He never actually says, "You win!" But of course that's how he chooses to interpret it (wrongly no less).
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Same here. It's a nice callout to mythology where prophecy is basically always misinterpreted. Like when one of the warriors in Chaucer's The Knight's Tale asks Ares to predict what will happen at the tournament and he responds with, "Victory!" He never actually says, "You win!" But of course that's how he chooses to interpret it (wrongly no less).
The visual dictionary says
If you seriously think there is no redemption story in the plans, and that the story will end with Han and Leia splitting, Han getting killed by his son, and his son staying permaevil and dying, I have some ocean front properly on Mustafar to sell you.
If you seriously think there is no redemption story in the plans, and that the story will end with Han and Leia splitting, Han getting killed by his son, and his son staying permaevil and dying, I have some ocean front properly on Mustafar to sell you.
I actually prefered this rather than the dark side being inherently corrupting and the light side being the natural order.
I like the idea that either in moderation and used correctly is fine, it can even have benefits, but too much of either is harmful.
Perfect Cha0s
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If Luke dies somewhere in this trilogy, and Kylo Ren does follow a redemption arc, it could be interesting to watch how training the next generation of Jedi falls to him.
Assuming that he has indeed been responsible for eliminating the remnants of the Jedi, save for Luke, he's the only dude in the galaxy trained in the ways of the Jedi once Luke passes away.
Assuming that he has indeed been responsible for eliminating the remnants of the Jedi, save for Luke, he's the only dude in the galaxy trained in the ways of the Jedi once Luke passes away.
tiredheadcrab
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Kylo is Han's son
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What the hell is the Great Scourge of Molochor(sorry i cant tell if its an a or an o). Did i miss something?
I would imagine Luke trains Rey.
In the game KOTOR2 Malachor V was some desolate, barren and deserted planet.
Malachor was a planet in the KOTOR games. In KOTOR 2 it's the final planet in the game.
Kitschkraft
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End of the movie sets up Luke training Rey.
CreepingFear
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See to me, if there is redemption for Kylo, it has to be a whole Skywalker family thing. I don't see just Rey turning him. It has to be Luke, Leia, and Rey having a Skywalker intervention thing. I would not buy a cousin Rey being that convincing to turn Kylo to the light side. Maybe, it's Snoke who fucks up and pisses off Kylo back to the light side.
ViewtifulJC
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I'm sure it will, but its just one of those surface level comments that doesn't really mean much. Like Terminator 2 probably has just as many similar plot elements to T1 as TFA has to ANH(Los Angeles setting, naked Terminators arriving in bubbles and kill cops/jerks for clothes, Connor target, the entire chase movie structure, T-1000 Arnold and all his iconography, "I'll be back" "Come with me if you want to live", a final car chase into a big factory for the mano-y-mano climatic confrontation), but I think we all agree that movie is fuckin' awesome. It has strong characters, thrillingly conceived/choreographed/shot/edited setpieces, a great score, a lot of its humor really works, proper character and conflict set-ups that pay off beautifully, fantastic visuals that still hold up. It moves with a confidence and momentum that could only happen when one of the best blockbuster directors in the world, given more money than anybody, to do what he's best at.
Similarly, T3 is terrible, and its not because it too has plot elements similar to the first one. Although that's like the #1 people say who don't think about why a movie isn't working, straight out of the spookyfish line of shitposting. "This thing reminds me of something from another movie!"
Movies are more than plots. You got a Kubrick avatar, I thought you of all people would know that.
Haloid1177
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Kylo is Han's son
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Adopted son though, could be. I had the same thought. I think he probably is but it'd make for a more interesting story honestly if Luke's children were the power.
Also, the idea that Snoke had more than one apprentice does not sound anything like what Plagueis would do so ya know keep hope alive but it's weird.
I'm wrong never mind me.
and maybe there is a plan to try and redeem him but that doesn't mean he has to accept it.
I would have to imagine though when he learns the truth about Vader his world may get fucked up. That could potentially make him more unstable.
Perfect Cha0s
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Oh, I have no question about that. I was talking more about the possibility of a new academy. I would think that if Kylo comes back, he'd take leadership of that instead of a relatively green Rey should Luke die in VIII or IX.
The visual dictionary makes it sound like he already knows about Vader and his "sentimentality" though. He probably already knows the truth.
I really don't get why people want to acknowledge the call sheet is entirely correct based on everything that has came out but then pick specific major plot points to deny. Either the person who transcribed the call sheet is some sort of magical wizard with a seeing stone, or Kylo is han and Leia's son.
Haloid1177
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Or this film doesn't deal with him being adopted until the next film so it doesn't leak this time around.
I also don't like how the prophecy is to destroy the darkness to bring balance. As someone who has only seen the movies didn't the "light" side help push Anakin into the dark side?
The problem is the OT made it seem, well, like the cliche good vs evil, light vs dark. So yeah, makes sense to destroy the dark side. But then the prequels showed that the jedi's were a bunch of arrogant people who used abc logic (boy can't believe I am smarter than Yoda, I must be brilliant!!) because of the force. So, unless people say that the dark side literally corrupted them not just with the force, but their personalities (maybe they did?), I hope the balance means balance between the two.
The problem is the OT made it seem, well, like the cliche good vs evil, light vs dark. So yeah, makes sense to destroy the dark side. But then the prequels showed that the jedi's were a bunch of arrogant people who used abc logic (boy can't believe I am smarter than Yoda, I must be brilliant!!) because of the force. So, unless people say that the dark side literally corrupted them not just with the force, but their personalities (maybe they did?), I hope the balance means balance between the two.
Secret Fawful
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Kylo is Han's son
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Malachor!? OH YEAHHH! And no, it's not the sacking of Luke's temple, because it says right there it dates back thousands of years. It's directly referring to KOTOR times, even if it's some sort of new canon version. Fuck yes.
tiredheadcrab
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My bet is that it is probably some new cannon version perhaps. Although Kylo does have a very Darth Revan look and feel to him. I am wondering if we will find out who The Knight of Ren are and how they fit into the Jedi/Sith struggle.
Also Starkiller base is from part unknown so it looks like the imperials did retreat there and found Snoke or The Knights of Ren. I wonder what happened.
Adam Driver's pretty close looking to a young Harrison Ford. They're deliberately setting up his biological ties.
Plus, the dictionary entry above flat-out says that the blood of the most powerful Jedi/Sith (aka Skywalker) course through his veins. That's not possible if he's adopted..
Kitschkraft
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I would imagine that even if he redeems himself in some way, he's going to die before this is all said and done. Will it be a self-sacrifice? Maybe.
And there isn't really a reason to assume that Rey will be "green" after Luke training. Hell, she already appears to be able to turn the tables on his force-mind shit, as well as defend herself against him in a lightsaber fight.
Of course, we have no clue where they will be by episode 9, but I just really don't see this story ending with Adam Driver playing some rehabilitated, benevolent Jedi instructor.
Haloid1177
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If he's Luke's son he'd still have that blood in him. So...
Look he's probably Han and Leia's son but gotta start predicting those twists for VIII since you know there will be one.
The Elite
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They haven't had it locked down for months.
Alright, but then he wouldn't be adopted, which is what you were arguing before.
MSW has been slowly leaking stuff from the call sheet for months upon months now.
Haloid1177
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Alright what I'm saying is he's Luke's son who he gives to Leia/Han to keep safe, hence adopted.
But the exact same thing that leaked all of this now confirmed stuff, says that he is Han and Leia's son. And in this visual dictionary it says Han use to be married to Leia until some tragic event took place.
This stuff is the twist in the film. Just not for people following leaks.
Bobby Roberts
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Why do you want this so bad?
Also, keep in mind: Story Group is cool with taking names/locations/ideas out of the old EU, and reintroducing them in the new canon. But they're essentially reboots of those concepts. They're not bringing histories in, or whole books/games in with them. Malachor existing for the visual novel doesn't mean everything that happened in those games is suddenly validated.
(not that it really matters, as the game is still the game and its positives remain unchanged regardless its canonicity)
The Sum of Zero
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Oh yes, that's what I wanted to see.
Also, Colbert fucking called it (just about). Pretty sure anyone trying to chop the quillons off will get stopped by the blade after all.
Freewheelin'
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Fucking hell. This is a sensational post.
Ah I see.
But that theory doesn't make a lot of sense. Luke gives his son Kylo to Leia/Han to keep safe, and then they in turn give him back to Father/"Uncle" Luke to be trained at Luke's academy?
That sounds way too complicated with no discernible story benefit.
Because I think there is no chance in malachor they end the story of Han and Leia that way. That is way too tragic for two of the most beloved characters of the Star Wars franchise.
Bobby Roberts
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Life can get all up in your ass, baby you better work it out.
thecouncil
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Episode VIII
Luke: "They never told you who your father was."
Kylo: "Han was my father. I killed him."
Luke: "No, I am your father."
Kylo: "No. No! That's not true! That's impossible!"
Yeah, I can see it.
Haloid1177
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I just realized I fucked up, I never realized Driver was almost 10 years older than Ridley.
I'm confused about the sack of the temple though, is the trailer spot with the Knights of Ren showing the group led by Kylo looking guy just someone just wearing the armor since real Kylo would not have been a member?
It's Kylo. He's the one who leads the attack on the temple.
Sure. But this is a Star Wars saga also targeted to kids. They aren't ending the story that way. There will be a happy ending for the main characters. To some degree.
Haloid1177
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So the story board is incorrect about that sequence then?
Glass Shark
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Please stop acting like Colbert had some unique insight that wasn't obvious to someone with half a brain
Secret Fawful
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"Baby"? Are you John Williams?
The storyboard is filled with a bunch of fanfiction that the guy made up to fill in gaps. Just read the call sheet on millenniumfalcon.com
Nah. That was a pretty fun bit.
Bobby Roberts
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Plug One, actually.
Who you think the main characters for this trilogy are, though?
It ain't Luke & Leia anymore.
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