Shanks D Zoro
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yep, safe, but also daring enough to kill off Han and leave Luke just for the end.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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yep, safe, but also daring enough to kill off Han and leave Luke just for the end.
The fights in this were great. They weren't overindulgent, they were to the point and brutal. The Raid guys are obviously very talented but lightsaber fights have never been about how cool they look.
Dash_Riprock
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Alright just got back, my thoughts:
+It looks like a Star Wars film, finally! No video game CG, no bored actors staring at green screens. With a couple exceptions, everything looks REAL.
+Characters I actually care for! Good dialogue!
+Funny moments that actually FUNNY to people older than 5
+No Racist stereotypes
+Holy shit can Rey and Finn Act
+For the first time in almost twenty years Ford doesn't look like he's phoning it in. I knew it was coming, I saw it a mile away, but his death still made me sniffle
+Lightsaber fights, JESUS H CHRIST YES. You feel the power, the energy, the EMOTION! None of that jumping around ballerina bullshit while the actors look bored because they've rehearsed this for hours on end already. You see the tension, the fear in their faces. You feel their fatigue. About fucking time!
Finn vs randoom Stormtrooper that actually puts up a fight...YES!
+Kylo Ren and Poe...Awesome
+Ren's lightsaber...I want it
Okay, now the bad:
-Biggest thing, as others have said, they played it way too safe. I saw every plot point coming (knew Ren would be either Luke's or Leia's) I understand why, but still, nothing really surprised me.
-Snoke (dumbest name since Sheev) better be more than Palpatine 2.0. And his CG looked terrible.
-Luke just a cameo, For Fuck's Sake
-Captain Phasma...what a waste. Though I'm starting to think she might be a jab at Boba Fett: A character with cool armor that everyone loves but does Fuck All in the actual film and gets taken out in a humiliating way.
-Some of the callbacks/homages were good, some were too on the nose. Nowhere near as bad as Jurassic World though (I say that as someone who loves that film)
Max von Shadow was WASTED.
Overall my new rankings for the SW films:
V>IV>VI=VII>>>>>>>>>>>I>>>>III>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>getting a Candiru up my urethra>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>II
+It looks like a Star Wars film, finally! No video game CG, no bored actors staring at green screens. With a couple exceptions, everything looks REAL.
+Characters I actually care for! Good dialogue!
+Funny moments that actually FUNNY to people older than 5
+No Racist stereotypes
+Holy shit can Rey and Finn Act
+For the first time in almost twenty years Ford doesn't look like he's phoning it in. I knew it was coming, I saw it a mile away, but his death still made me sniffle
+Lightsaber fights, JESUS H CHRIST YES. You feel the power, the energy, the EMOTION! None of that jumping around ballerina bullshit while the actors look bored because they've rehearsed this for hours on end already. You see the tension, the fear in their faces. You feel their fatigue. About fucking time!
Finn vs randoom Stormtrooper that actually puts up a fight...YES!
+Kylo Ren and Poe...Awesome
+Ren's lightsaber...I want it
Okay, now the bad:
-Biggest thing, as others have said, they played it way too safe. I saw every plot point coming (knew Ren would be either Luke's or Leia's) I understand why, but still, nothing really surprised me.
-Snoke (dumbest name since Sheev) better be more than Palpatine 2.0. And his CG looked terrible.
-Luke just a cameo, For Fuck's Sake
-Captain Phasma...what a waste. Though I'm starting to think she might be a jab at Boba Fett: A character with cool armor that everyone loves but does Fuck All in the actual film and gets taken out in a humiliating way.
-Some of the callbacks/homages were good, some were too on the nose. Nowhere near as bad as Jurassic World though (I say that as someone who loves that film)
Max von Shadow was WASTED.
Overall my new rankings for the SW films:
V>IV>VI=VII>>>>>>>>>>>I>>>>III>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>getting a Candiru up my urethra>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>II
These are pretty divisive things and I'm wondering how they'll work with the OT and PT fans. Everyone I've talked to liked the environments because they felt real unlike the PT green screen turd planets. Same with the lightsabers. It wasn't on RotJ levels but the lightsaber action we got there was better than all the silly glowstick ballet of the PT combined because there was some emotion in it. Fuck the prequel duels and everything in prequels that had to do with the Jedi and the lightsabers.
PapaJustify
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Finn is great
eot
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I kinda agree with these points. The stuff on Jakku was good but the second and 3rd acts were weaker. The lightsaber duel was kind of forgettable. The duels in the original trilogy managed to be more than just sword poking, they're key scenes in portrayal of the characters, but this duel didn't feel like it was much about the characters at all. Rey didn't seem vulnerable, she didn't really seem scared, or angry or anything. I liked her a lot but I think that was her worst scene actually. The Phantom Menace duel had more emotion :lol
*Yes they are a hell of a lot better then this crap, not to mention if you compare it to Vader vs luke in any film
* Again, all side characters. Main cast is 100% humans except chewie...
Yeah, the mane was awesome. I was also expecting a short hair.
Well....where to start.
Cheeseball dialogue, especially from Finn
Lacklustre Soundtrack
Paced WAY too fast
But I loved it.
Every single second it was on screen I remembered WHY I loved the SW universe. I totally buy Daisy Ridley as a "dangerously close to the dark side at points" badass. I totally buy Kylo Ren as a spoiled kid who doesn't want to behave. And I totally buy BB-8 as just literally adorable....I want one.
I cried big sloppy tears at Han dying, but I do have to say the returning cast were the least good part of the film.....I wanted more of the new guys, especially Poe who barely got any screen-time!
The one flaw that won't go away, though, is the dreadful CGI leader....what on earth was going on there. What is this, pre-Phantom Menace? Watto looked more realised and part of the world. I know it was just a hologram but it looked really poorly done.
Cheeseball dialogue, especially from Finn
Lacklustre Soundtrack
Paced WAY too fast
But I loved it.
Every single second it was on screen I remembered WHY I loved the SW universe. I totally buy Daisy Ridley as a "dangerously close to the dark side at points" badass. I totally buy Kylo Ren as a spoiled kid who doesn't want to behave. And I totally buy BB-8 as just literally adorable....I want one.
I cried big sloppy tears at Han dying, but I do have to say the returning cast were the least good part of the film.....I wanted more of the new guys, especially Poe who barely got any screen-time!
The one flaw that won't go away, though, is the dreadful CGI leader....what on earth was going on there. What is this, pre-Phantom Menace? Watto looked more realised and part of the world. I know it was just a hologram but it looked really poorly done.
Shuggananas
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yeah, apart from I and III being constantly swapped by myself (one felt more 'star wars', three was mostly a better movie) i can see this as being a good ranking.
And yes, the movie was "safe" if you look at the major plot points. But that's not what makes a movie. Star Wars itself was an incredibly generic hero's journey. I don't mind that they recreated a similar arc for Rey.
as a whole, i don't think it should be called 'safe'.
the fact that, at first, she runs from him, fending off his aggressive strikes just barely, and eventually starts trusting her own abilities and goes into the offensive herself, was handled rather well, imho.
eot
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Hmm, well I'm going again on Saturday will re-evaluate.
Yay! I agree with this ranking. Although the awesome finale (space battle + duel) of Jedi might tip the balance slightly in favour of it. Compared to A New Hope though I thought this one was slightly worse, it just doesn't come together as well at the end, nor is the middle as strong.
Blue Ninja
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Theater erupted in laughter at that moment. Really good.
So many funny moments in this movie that weren't poop jokes, it was refreshing.
Yeah.
... can anyone please tell me why the fuck people are complaining about NOTHING?
This movie being a "rehash" of a New Hope is bad? What? People complain about how Kylo (Ben) got owned by Rey ... even though he had a hole in his side and was slowly bleeding to death?
This movie explains a great deal yet leaves some stuff unanswered. They complain that this movie didn't answer their questions ... did they forget we are getting 8 and 9?
This movie being a "rehash" of a New Hope is bad? What? People complain about how Kylo (Ben) got owned by Rey ... even though he had a hole in his side and was slowly bleeding to death?
This movie explains a great deal yet leaves some stuff unanswered. They complain that this movie didn't answer their questions ... did they forget we are getting 8 and 9?
Shuggananas
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Yes, watched it with subtitles, it's Ben.
It's the day after, and what I'm most impressed by now is how good the acting was overall. There are no real standout bad or cringeworthy scenes, aside from maybe the Han/Leia scene where they talk about Ren. Finn and Rey did a standout job, and I can only see that improving in the coming movies. Ep VIII has some true potential now.
I'd say for all the references to ANH (also structurally), I feel the strong characters and acting make it stand on its own. They never went overboard with the fan service either. To those saying the movie's too safe... I guess you're right, I can see that. But I'd rather have this than a failed experiment.
The only real letdown for me was the soundtrack. The only memorable bits were all reprises from OT themes.
Most of all though, this movie showed that SW is fun again: there's a lot of goofy stuff, and BB8 is a star. That scene where he does a thumbs up with his lighter... I lost it, and the theatre as well. 'Droid please' was a great line, had to be ad-libbed.
I expected a bigger reaction in the theatre when 'In a galaxy...' showed up, but there was a big applause when the credits started rolling, which was awesome.
I'd say for all the references to ANH (also structurally), I feel the strong characters and acting make it stand on its own. They never went overboard with the fan service either. To those saying the movie's too safe... I guess you're right, I can see that. But I'd rather have this than a failed experiment.
The only real letdown for me was the soundtrack. The only memorable bits were all reprises from OT themes.
Most of all though, this movie showed that SW is fun again: there's a lot of goofy stuff, and BB8 is a star. That scene where he does a thumbs up with his lighter... I lost it, and the theatre as well. 'Droid please' was a great line, had to be ad-libbed.
I expected a bigger reaction in the theatre when 'In a galaxy...' showed up, but there was a big applause when the credits started rolling, which was awesome.
The CG on that Snoke dude reminded me of the bad orc CG in The Hobbit. Looked very awkward and stood out as not real.
Yes, she was really mad at someone for killing a person she had known for 5 minutes...
I feel like characers was just "stumbling" upon each other and "Ok We are best friends now!!"
Shuggananas
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Dude's a legend everybody knows about
She had known him for longer than that too
But hey you're the guy saying "why is he in the movie, who gives a shit about him??" about Finn without any more arguments so I'll just assume you're a hater
RotJ has the advantage of being a rather "clean" movie, insofar that there's not as much lore, origin story, exposition they have to cram into a single movie.
The final act of TFA had to(?, well, did) encompass: A father son confrontation (Empire), losing the mentor (Mid ANH), Blowing up a shield generator thing (RotJ), Attacking the superweapon (ANH / RotJ), Rescuing a friend (or meeting her once she's rescued herself) (mid ANH, or beginning RotJ)
they crammed a lot of stuff into TFA's final act because they (felt they) needed to.
I somehow agree. Not giving the audience a proper pay-off (fight with the villain, landing a crushing military blow) would have hurt the overall movie even more.
Again the distortion field
You do remember that Luke knew Ben Kenobi for pretty much only a few hours, yet he was still super mopy and had to be covered in a blanket by Leia at the space-chess table inside the falcon.
* 1 1/2 speeder ride to Kenobi's hut and then to Mos Eisley
* 1 hyperspace flight from Tatooine to Alderaan to the Death star.
Rey spent more time with Han Solo than Luke did with Ben Kenobi, thankyouverymuch.
Blue Ninja
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I dunno, I really liked some of the new additions. That motif that plays when we first meet Rey is beautiful.
It worked for Luke and Ben...
NekoFever
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Thanks. That's what I thought but I already see debates erupting on various forums.
I'm hoping it's a slow burn. I'm definitely going to listen to it again.
reptilescorpio
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I just want to say how fucking blown away I was. Perfect movie for what it is and what they needed.
Generic Power Ranger
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Luke knew Ben. It just seems like Owen told Ben to stay out of sight at one point because he didn't want Ben filling Luke's head with ideas.RotJ has the advantage of being a rather "clean" movie, insofar that there's not as much lore, origin story, exposition they have to cram into a single movie.
The final act of TFA had to(?, well, did) encompass: A father son confrontation (Empire), losing the mentor (Mid ANH), Blowing up a shield generator thing (RotJ), Attacking the superweapon (ANH / RotJ), Rescuing a friend (or meeting her once she's rescued herself) (mid ANH, or beginning RotJ)
they crammed a lot of stuff into TFA's final act because they (felt they) needed to.
I somehow agree. Not giving the audience a proper pay-off (fight with the villain, landing a crushing military blow) would have hurt the overall movie even more.
Again the distortion field
You do remember that Luke knew Ben Kenobi for pretty much only a few hours, yet he was still super mopy and had to be covered in a blanket by leya at the space-chess table inside the falcon.
* 1 1/2 speeder ride to Kenobi's hut and then to Mos Eisley
* 1 hyperspace flight from Tatooine to Alderaan to the Death star.
Rey spent more time with Han Solo than Luke did with Ben Kenobi, thankyouverymuch.
Yes she knows about him...not the same as knowing someone...
Yes i don't like Finn, at all. He serves no purpose whatsoever in the movie. Again this is Star Wars, a universe with endless possibility and that's the character they come up with?
Luke knew Ben all his life...
well, "knew"
he was aware of his existence. He didn't even know Kenobi fought in the clone wars, was a friend of his father's.
The conversation they have inside Kenobi's hut clearly seems like the first in-depth conversation / bonding moment the both of them have, and Kenobi's all about telling Luke about his father, the force and handing him a light saber.
I don't think they had any real relationship before that.
Rey knew stories about Han Solo, he's legendary. He's kind of a hero to her from the get-go. Remember the look in her eyes, when she's offered a job ... by Han Solo?!
Shuggananas
Banned
Finn saves Poe, helps Rey escape Jakku, gives valuable info to the resistance in order to destroy the starkiller, helps Rey vs Ren and I'm probably forgetting some stuff
But you're probably mad because they picked a black lead so I won't bother too much with you anymore
"that old fart who lives in the canyon that I never met"
He knows jackshit about Ben and doesn't know he's Obi Wan
But you're probably mad because they picked a black lead so I won't bother too much with you anymore
oh yeah
"that old fart who lives in the canyon that I never met"
He knows jackshit about Ben and doesn't know he's Obi Wan
Not unusual for this series. Luke buying his father's droids is also a big coincidence.
I thought it was funny how the movie goes out of it's way to explain that Kylo only lost due to his wound, and yet a lot of people remain unconvinced. Just interesting to see.
They even made Han use Chewie's bowcaster twice just to make a point of how powerfull it was.
I dunno, I thought fighting Rey with basically a shotgun wound was pretty badass. I mean, Luke manages to put up a fight against Vader with very little training in Empire, and Vader was a full fledge sith. Kylo Ren was just a clearly troubled apprentice. I also think Rey had some training as a child but we'll see.
They even made Han use Chewie's bowcaster twice just to make a point of how powerfull it was.
I dunno, I thought fighting Rey with basically a shotgun wound was pretty badass. I mean, Luke manages to put up a fight against Vader with very little training in Empire, and Vader was a full fledge sith. Kylo Ren was just a clearly troubled apprentice. I also think Rey had some training as a child but we'll see.
Finn is a deserter painted as a hero. I think that, by itself, makes him a very valuable character. He's not a coward, he makes the decision that he will not be the tool to a tyranny.
Shuggananas
Banned
Blame the prequels for that lol, or is it told in ANH that R2 and C3 were anakin's ? Not sure
But yeah it was "lucky" (blabla destiny blabla) that the other droid exploded after being bought and Owen took R2 (but C3PO was a fucking tool for leaving R2 alone anyway)
All those years of voicing Joker would do that to you. And the pain of getting in shape for a 2 minute scene
Finn and Rey come from places were they're basically lonely, so yeah when they meet people who give them any attention at all and treat them as actual persons, they naturally form bonds with them.
Kylo sensed Rey thought of Han as a father figure, replacing the family she was waiting for on Jakku, so it's not weird that Rey gets mad.
But I do agree the pacing in the movie was hella fast, I allow it though.
Generic Power Ranger
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I never saw it like that. He knows what he looks like, and on tatooine I think that means they have to have seen eachother around.
They also talk in a way that suggests they know eachother. Obi Wan having not mentioned anything about the old times before, is probably due to the whole "Owen doesn't want you doing this stuff." The only reason he tell him about this stuff, Is that Obi Wan is "Too old" to do it himself. Might also help that Luke is just about adult. There's a good chance Obi Wan wouldn't have told him anything for a good while longer, if events hadn't transpired like they did.
This is how it always read to me. Lets hope we get that Obi Wan movie /Trilogy at some point, so we can see what he was actually up to.
EDIT. That said, I didn't feel like it was unnatural for Rey to behave the way she did when Han died. He was clearly a mentor to her. What was weirder to me, was how little screen time was alotted to chewie getting over loosing his friend for 40 years. In the end he doesn't seem that bothered. Should have allotted a scene in the end of him moping about.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
So how long till Snoke is revealed to be Palpy?
eot
Banned
All those years of voicing Joker would do that to you. And the pain of getting in shape for a 2 minute scene
Maybe it was 2 minutes because he wasn't quite in shape yet?
I think he looks better in recent photos than he did in the movie, that robe was hiding a belly.
Darth Sonik
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Being Irish gave that ending extra feels, but the shot selection & editing for the very final moments with Rey & Luke was a little sloppy especially for a Star Wars film.
I know exposition is generally a dirty word nowadays, but the film needed a little more time spent on the galaxy building. Just a few lines here or there could have helped lay out each faction as well as set up the villains motivations.There was virtually no reaction to what Starkiller base had just done, or enough worry about what it may represent for the galaxy.
Rey & Finn were great and Poe has great potential for future episodes. Kylo seems a bit too old to be so angsty. The sound track was far more "background music" rather than the "beating heart" of the movie.
I liked the movie, but I didn't love it. It was however a good foundation to build on.
I know exposition is generally a dirty word nowadays, but the film needed a little more time spent on the galaxy building. Just a few lines here or there could have helped lay out each faction as well as set up the villains motivations.There was virtually no reaction to what Starkiller base had just done, or enough worry about what it may represent for the galaxy.
Rey & Finn were great and Poe has great potential for future episodes. Kylo seems a bit too old to be so angsty. The sound track was far more "background music" rather than the "beating heart" of the movie.
I liked the movie, but I didn't love it. It was however a good foundation to build on.
The ending was really great, avoided epic blockbuster cliches and found a weirdly grounded and low-key style that let the big moment it was breathe and the audience reflect on the future. The way it was shot was, like other things in the movie, I think a deliberate attempt at removing it from the formulaic.
I liked this.
I liked this.
Shuggananas
Banned
Guys. GUYS:
I figured it out. I know who Rey is.
She is a Marek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starkiller
I figured it out. I know who Rey is.
She is a Marek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starkiller
i, personally, wouldn't mind if Chewie's role was dialed back dramatically as well now.
His bromance with Han was great, but with him, R2 _and_ BB8 we now have 3 cute helpful creatures that exchange quips with our protagonists in a language we don't understand.
fake edit: hah, i just remembered that scene with C3PO where Han and General Leia met for the first time in ages and Threepio does his whole cockblocky shpiel
Blue Ninja
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His CGI was kinda bad, I'm half-expecting his look to be a ruse now and when we do finally meet him in Episode VIII or IX he'll be something else entirely.
They aren't canon anymore, though.
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