[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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If she is any relation to Obi-Wan then she would have to be his grandchild, the timeline wouldn't make sense otherwise. She'd be pushing 40 at the very least.
The most logical explanation is that she is Luke's kid or Kylo's sister.
PairOfFilthySocks
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Her resistance to the force and subsequent mastery of it in the space a couple of hours.
She's barely heard or paid much mind to the force and before we know it she's mind controlling people and a skilled lightsaber combatant.
Pure Mary Sue-tier shenanigans.
Mr. Luchador
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Ah, this would sort of be cool and it certainly fits with the parallels with A New Hope this movie had throughout.
lensoftruth
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She was already skilled at combat and weaponry.
As I said a few pages back, she might be Luke's foster child.
We don't know her history. Who is to say she wasn't training as a Jedi for the years before she was abandoned on Jakku?
I don't think Kylo or Rey looked very skilled with a saber. It was mostly blind rage like Luke vs Vader at the end of ROTJ.
I think that's just Abrams style. Star Trek 2009 was pretty much non stop too.
i still don't get why you people always need people to be related.
Why does the force need to be about genetics? Even in the prequels (ugh!), i don't believe thosechildren younglings had Jedi parents.
Can't Rey just be rey? does she have to be the cousin of the bad guy? does everything have to be a family drama?
I can live with her being a former trainee of Luke. But creating some sort of throwaway wife for Luke just so we can have Rey be his daughter - god forbid she's got an identity of her own and isn't yet ANOTHER member of the skywalker dynasty.
There's enough blood relatives in this new universe already - Leia, Luke, Kylo Ren.
Why does she have to be some sort of Harry Potter blood line legacy protagonist. Can't, just for once, Hermione be the hero? - sans family name?
Why does the force need to be about genetics? Even in the prequels (ugh!), i don't believe those
Can't Rey just be rey? does she have to be the cousin of the bad guy? does everything have to be a family drama?
I can live with her being a former trainee of Luke. But creating some sort of throwaway wife for Luke just so we can have Rey be his daughter - god forbid she's got an identity of her own and isn't yet ANOTHER member of the skywalker dynasty.
There's enough blood relatives in this new universe already - Leia, Luke, Kylo Ren.
Why does she have to be some sort of Harry Potter blood line legacy protagonist. Can't, just for once, Hermione be the hero? - sans family name?
Mr. Luchador
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omg more Happy Potter connections!
To be fair, we don't know skilled with a lightsaber Kylo Ren actually is. His training isn't complete and we don't even know the extent of lightsaber training he got.
Rey is from the streets man, she knows stuff.
Besides, maybe she is just that fucking good with the Force? Nothing wrong with her being more gifted than Anakin and Luke.
George Oscar Bluth II
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One thing I noted whilst watching was the CGI for Snoke and Maz wasn't very good.
It's not about what we need. It's about what they are clearly going to do, regardless of what we think. I really don't know how they can make the fact that she's a Skywalker more obvious.
It was really subtle, but it was in the tie fighter escape scene.
If you seriously think that... well I don't know what to say. This film set out to revive the franchise and introduce a ton of new people who have never seen Star Wars to the universe (which Bobby Roberts show worked). It's because of both of these purposes that it probably leaned too much on the other films in the first place - go with what's safe to ensure revival, go with what works to get newbies on board.
Seeing as Kylo uses his light saber to smash computers when he's angry and he arrogantly twirls it when he feels like he has the upper hand, i can see how he would leave openings for his enemies to land a hit.
His lightsaber perfectly resembles Kylo Ren - it's imperfect, highly unstable - with vents on the sides because it generates more energy than it can control sometimes.
Also, the only training he might have received had been from Luke, who wasn't a great fighter to begin with.
He swings his sword like a baseball bat.
And there's not many Jedi / Sith he'd be sparring against to hone his skills.
They had the reveal early because they had the murder in the final scene.
If they revealed the family connection right before the murder, it would be way too much emotional information to process in too little time. You'd be all like "WOW WAIT HE IS HAN'S AND LEIA'S KID?" right when that lightsaber hits Han and you wouldn't be able to properly focus on that one moment.
At least, that's what I assume would be their reasoning.
chesspieceface
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I think that glimpsing her parents dropping her on Jakku in the vision is a pretty good hint that her parentage will be important
chesspieceface
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I have a hard time believing people still thinks that what happens in this movie happens just because that's the best way to serve the story.
Abrams is the absolute master of this shit.
I'm not convinced. If she's Luke's daughter they have to introduce a mother, which could also be a bit awkward. They also have to come up with a convincing explanation for why he would just abandon her on her own, instead of setting her up with a foster family. That's a dick move on Luke's behalf if she's his daughter.
I think the 'hints' could very easily be red herrings.
She was already great at combat so it's not a stretch she could pick up a lightsaber and be decent with it against an injured and overconfident opponent that is trying to turn her to dark side instead of killing her. Luke didn't have much practice before he took on Darth the first time, and he looked okay for the most part despite Vader being 100x the opponent Kylo was to Rey.
And she's obviously strong with the force to resist Kylo and mind-control the trooper. Crazy thought but I think she is supposed to be pretty damn talented in the ways of the force. Luke was a whiny brat who complained about things being impossible. Rey believes, she'll probably be a much better student to Luke than Luke was to Yoda.
PairOfFilthySocks
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At fighting people trained by Luke? Nah.
That's my point, that's why the writing is lousy.
And yet he slaughtered everyone at Luke's temple.
Eh, I prefer 'chosen one' stuff to be kept to a minimum. Even in the case of Luke, he went through his fair share of shit before he got good. Just being that fucking good is just boring and unearned.
Bobby Roberts
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There aren't any Episode 8 spoilers so it doesnt matter
Totally, but it also might just mean that her parents were persecuted by the baddies or something like that. Just saying that she doesn't have to be the "child of a great Jedi" to justify her becoming a great Jedi.
what makes you think Luke, who didn't receive any first hand training would be a good teacher in swordfighting to someone else.
Luke's fighting style was more than imperfect. That man's no Syrio Forell.
True, but a lot of stuff in this film was there artificial.
It's also something I thought when I found out Rey has an english accent, while Boyega puts up an american accent for Finn. But you're right, her being Luke's daughter would make more sense. But this is just something I noticed on my second viewing. I almost expected her to say 'how uncivilized' when she shot the trooper in the forest.
BewareTheBatsie
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I didn't quite get that flashback myself. Was she being sold? Was the creature dragging her away a temporary guardian or someone looking to use her for personal use. I am curious to who her family is and would like it if she wasn't a Skywalker but I'm cool either way, although I am a fan of her having been apart of some Jedi program Luke had and survived when Ben turned dark.
I'd buy it if we were told that Luke meditated and touched the knowledge of previous Jedi masters in the force and learned from them, like how Aang gains power from previous avatars.
i loved the fact that she kept her blaster. It's the only gift her mentor (Han Solo gave her).
I was almost expecting Finn to keep the light saber and her to become some sort of Jedi gunslinger. I'm cool with her getting the saber, though.
I'd buy it if we were told that Luke meditated and touched the knowledge of previous Jedi masters in the force and learned from them, like how Aang gains power from previous avatars.
well, after the death of Vader and the Emperor, there were - supposedly(?) - no more Sith. Luke's no "this weapon is your life!" kind of Jedi. I don't believe refining his swordfighting skills would be among his top priorities if he were in contact with Jedi masters of the past. Neither do i believe that passing on swordfighting skills would be essential lessons of his training.
The only time that Obiwan told him to use his lightsaber was to sense, and predict blaster shots and to deflect them.
during the one and only proper Jedi training he received, Yoda never taught him to use a light saber - he even told him that he shouldn't take it with him, when entering the creepy cave.
I think we should not mix up our IRL boners for lightsabers with (when ignoring the prequels, to a certain degree) the rather low importance of the lightsaber as a weapon. They're knights, they have a sword. Not only as a civilized weapon, but also as kind of a "Jedi badge".
George Oscar Bluth II
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I'm gonna control myself when it comes to Episode VIII spoilers.
To be fair this is kind of why I hoped Finn would be a Jedi as well. He's the one predominantly using the lightsaber for a majority of the movie despite not being all too talented with it and he clearly has a lot to learn in terms of combat unlike Rey who's a natural. I'm hoping it somehow manifests in later movies. Not only that but it's cool to think of Finn as a Stormtrooper turned Jedi.
AtomnayaKlubnika
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I would have loved a more subtle approach, like we get some hints and indirect talk about him being Han's and Leia's son and then, when Han scream "Ben" in this bridge scene, we got these intense final confirmation.
BewareTheBatsie
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Rey was shown to be skilled with her staff, so I don't see why it's hard to believe she's good with using the lightsaber. The saber is basically a sword in retrospect. Finn used it decently when his only experience should be with blasters and he isn't even force sensitive and I don't see complaints about that.
NekoFever
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I'd have bet money on them being Han and Leia's twins before I saw the movie, but it left me with the definite impression that she's not a Solo.
Still possible, I'll give you that, but I really don't think she is.
PairOfFilthySocks
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The fight between her and Kylo quite blatantly shows her losing until the plot ass-pulls her - resonance? - with the force, at which point she wins. The Star Wars series has always gone out of its way to show that there's a great deal more to the lightsaber duels than physical ability. Rey becoming a proficient lightsaber fighter is outta left-field and doesn't make much sense.
And don't compare the wonky choreography from the original trilogy as if it's any sort of empirical evidence. They were quite obviously technically limited by what they could portray on screen.
eot
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In one of the teaser trailers, Luke (presumably) says something along the lines of:
"The Force is strong in my family, my father had it, I had it, my sister has it; you have that power too"
That line wasn't in the movie, but I'm wondering, is that him talking to a young version of Han/Leia's kid?
"The Force is strong in my family, my father had it, I had it, my sister has it; you have that power too"
That line wasn't in the movie, but I'm wondering, is that him talking to a young version of Han/Leia's kid?
AtomnayaKlubnika
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I wonder how set in stone these details are. Unlike the prequels, the writers are not locked in to anything.
When Leia saw Rey at the end, it did seem like there was more to her look. Han gave her some very pained looks at times too.
And the way they cut away when Maz asked Han who the girl is.
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But the details can still be changed is my impression after listening to interviews. Johnson has a lot of freedom in writing the story for the next one. Kasdan/Abrams basically build the state of the universe and laid out the broad strokes.
That's fair - I can't come up with a decent explanation of why Luke would be a master saber user and teach it to his apprentices - but we don't know exactly what happened to him in the past 30 years, or tie 10-15 years before he had apprentices, so who knows. We don't know why he had apprentices either.
Maybe he "sensed a disturbance in the force" and felt the need to prepare apprentices for a future threat? No idea.
eot
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I know (well I didn't know if it was the exact same recording) but it would be really cheeky to put it in the trailer just as a red herring.
chesspieceface
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I think her parents dropped her there for *something* and that this *something* will likely be a plot device in the next movies. Maybe not the identity of her parents (but still maybe), but the reason from dropping her off.
And I would bet that it's linked to Luke's Jedi Academy in some form.
chesspieceface
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BluenoseGames
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I like this theory.
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