Sure did to me. Same actor and all.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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I expected Finn to cut his own hand to be entirely honest :/ . I wanted them to show that a lightsaber isn't a toy and can be dangerous.
When he fell with the light still it should have been it.
I'm not sure what was worse though, this, or the fact that the troopers had anti lightsaber weapons ready despite the fact that there are NOT A SINGLE JEDI LEFT IN THE GALAXY.
When he fell with the light still it should have been it.
I'm not sure what was worse though, this, or the fact that the troopers had anti lightsaber weapons ready despite the fact that there are NOT A SINGLE JEDI LEFT IN THE GALAXY.
Exactly. Finn sucks with it and nearly gets killed by a stormtrooper and later Ren. As a strong forcue user, Rey is much better at it but would have still gotten killed if Ren wanted to kill her. If not for his injury it's likely both Finn and Rey would have died in this movie.
Luke was still left? And it seemed like kind of a shock-baton that was just lightsaber-proof. Definitely something I would have developed if I was in charge of an evil empire.
I feel that Kylo Ren's trying too hard and too fast to get to Vader's level. He's desperate for recognition and respect when Snoke sees him as a child in training (based on the fact he wants to complete his training) and the other generals (like Nux) don't look at him in a positive light either - especially Nux, he's clearly not intimidated.
He's obviously a rookie still in many respects and is trying to sprint before he can even walk properly. Not too dissimilar to Anakin in many ways, getting ahead of himself and wanting to cut corners. He's clearly talented and dangerous but he's like a child with a gun.
His arrogance led him to get beat by Rey and the cheek of even asking her to join him when he's hardly accomplished just adds to his character he tries to play when he puts on the mask. He wants the status and power when he's not ready for it and is trying to race there.
Just some observations, mind. Could be trying to justify wrong characterizations but in my mind I think his character is great.
chesspieceface
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CassidyIzABeast
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Any guesses on how long has Kylo has been Kylo when TFA starts?
Shuggananas
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We're still not sure how particular ren's sword is
But yeah the wound in the back that Finn got was... strange. He got in a coma from it apparently but getting hit right there should have destroyed his spine.
Wheelchair Finn in Ep8 ?
Few years probably, but he's still young so not that long
I'd say 3-5 years tops
Pretty sure him being torn internally by light and dark sides, as well as BLEEDING OUT, is what made him lose, rather than his own arrogance.
Yeah ANH opening is still perfect haha
And that's true, hooded Snoke would remind us of the emperor.. right now it felt like he's just some random alien, which maybe he is, who knows
I asked in the other thread and only got one response:
Interested in more if anyone has it.
Right but I meant more in the sense that he still tried to even fight when he clearly wasn't in the right condition to do so with what happened prior.
I think you're right. Kylo is like a Vader cosplayer, he's not the real deal. He got bitchslapped by the mere scavenger he was unable to interrogate or contain. For all the training he's had from Snoke, he couldn't beat a rookie. Perhaps Snoke is a Wizard of Oz style fraud, that would be interesting.
It was OK, nothing amazing but it didn't take me out of the movie. Snoke being a hologram meant they could cut a few corners, like Gollum in LOTR I'm sure his next appearance will look better.
So you're not shocked by the fact that every storm trooper (let's not pretend the only one that had such baton stomped randomly into Finn) can carry a baton that basically renders a lightsaber useless, despite the fact that Luke has been missing for 15 years.
Ok then.
Maz was OK. Probably what you'd expect from the average blockbuster not headed by James Cameron. Snoke was kinda shitty.
This may have been why JJ wanted the film pushed back even more than it already was.
I agree with all this fully.
On the other hand that doesnt justify Rey being proficient enough to beat Kylo, that will never go through fine with me.
Sorcerer
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Truth right there. That's why most lightsaber duels seem to be a draw for the most part. Jedi playing with swords who can read an opponents next move.
You hardly see one user kicking the others ass in a fight until a mistake is made.
Shuggananas
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Didn't bother me too much honestly
chesspieceface
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Maz was terrible, unacceptable.
Snoke was allright, but having him in 3 scenes in the same setup was lame.
chesspieceface
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Haha yeah man, retarded details like that were everywhere in that film and each time took me out of the experience.
Maz and Snoke looked rather awful, but they were not in the movie much so I didn't mind.
Surprised they didn't get more convincing CGI for such short scenes though.
The bar scene also looked stupid. Don't call back to technical limitations of Episode IV .... It was fun to do the chess monster, but the bar felt too much.
Surprised they didn't get more convincing CGI for such short scenes though.
The bar scene also looked stupid. Don't call back to technical limitations of Episode IV .... It was fun to do the chess monster, but the bar felt too much.
Snoke just looked unfinished, like a vampire from a tv show, but since it was a hologram im giving them the benefit of the doubt that its a bait and switch.
Maz is just, it wont age particularly well.
It feels strange to me to have two big characters CGI and iffy when your pitch has been this is practical, is there really no way either could have been serviced with actors in the flesh? Just an odd design move.
This and this. This is how a lightsaber works and how it works so good with the force and the blaster deflection and such.
There is no issue here. I think we can all agree that Rey is skilled enough with melee combat to not to kill herself with the lightsaber but should not be good enough to present a threat to Kylo, hurt or not.
Randomizer
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I've slept on it and the more and more I think about it was merely adequate. There was just too many plot holes, nostalgia/ fan services and aping of New Hope. Perhaps they will fill the plot holes in the sequel but I am judging it on it's own merits and the flaws are gaping.
chesspieceface
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Yes, I don't mind CG characters at all, but *bad* CG, it's the worst. And I thought the voice was a bit uninspired as well.
Honestly id have preferred if he was not there given how they used him, I was very excited about it and it was very cheesey.
WadiumArcadium
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I was expecting something more alien-looking for Snoke I must admit, it'll be interesting to see what role he plays in the rest of the trilogy. I didn't have a problem with Maz at all though. Really liked her.
Melchettsmoustache
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I really enjoyed the film however it would be an 8/10 for me. I felt they did rely to much on ANW and yet another Death Star seemed lazy.
It surprising that a clearly ranking storm trooper like Phasma would turn off the planets entire shielding because someone pointed a gun at her.
It surprising that a clearly ranking storm trooper like Phasma would turn off the planets entire shielding because someone pointed a gun at her.
WadiumArcadium
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I loved Kylo as well. Thought Driver's performance was fantastic. The casting was all spot on.
I expected waaaaaaaaaay more of her considering she's on the poster for the movie and its just a tool. I didnt even know she had a name. Big waste.
In regards the music, I think what is interesting to me looking back the music they used for 90% of the trailers improved the footage, and it was all OT music, my favourite trailers have music from Empire.
If you could manufacture and mass issue a highly effective melee weapon that just so happens to be effective against lightsabers, why wouldn't you?
Except it isn't, because unlike a normal sword it has no weight to the blade (which is where most of the weight is on a normal sword) and all the weight is on the hilt. That means even someone who is proficient with a sword will still have lots of trouble using it. Using a lightsabre would be like using a hilt to fight with a very long imaginary portion that can instantly chop off materials, and this is where force comes in as that helps the users use the lightsabre proficiently without chopping themselves off (unless they do very basic moves). No weight to the blade means you have no momentum to use in swordfights, which is an important factor when using a sword.
I feel like the prequels did a good job in its fight scenes (despite all the nonsense acrobatics) to show how lightweight the lightsabre is and that the blade has no weight.
Praetorpwj
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Wasn't this part of Kylo Ren's pack? Ren is looking for Luke and presumably has a squad of specially equipped Troopers for when they eventually track him down.
Somebody has the book, and here is explanation for Rey defeating Ren:
Rey hesitated, confused by her actions. A long moment passed, in whic Rey sensed a change in the air,
a change in her.Then she opened her eyes and attacked, viciously in a way she didn't know she was capable of, striking again and again as Ren was slowly driven back.
.. One downward cut, she saw. One quick, final strike, and she could kill him. .."
Rey hesitated, confused by her actions. A long moment passed, in whic Rey sensed a change in the air,
a change in her.Then she opened her eyes and attacked, viciously in a way she didn't know she was capable of, striking again and again as Ren was slowly driven back.
.. One downward cut, she saw. One quick, final strike, and she could kill him. .."
Why would it render a lightsaber useless? I doubt a stormtrooper wins a 1-on-1 battle with Luke, Kylo Ren or Rey. It seems logical that they would develop these kind of weapons, giving stormtroopers some kind of defense in close-combat. Let's face it, troopers have been pretty pathetic in the past. Cannon fodder with terrible aim. And we had the droids in the prequels who were even worse. I was afraid Finn would be able to kick ass just because he had a lightsaber, thankfully Troopers seem to be better prepared this time. Given that Kylo Ren is highly motivated to track down Luke, it seems logical his squad of soldiers would have these melee weapons. If a group of troopers with these batons surround Luke, he may be in trouble.
I think that's very unlikely, as he told Vader's mask that he couldn't get rid of the light inside him, or something like that.
eot
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Maz I thought was really bad, looked like a cartoon.
The junk dealer was bad too, he looked like something out of Ep. 2!
Finally, the aliens on Han's freighter also looked out of place and didn't fit at all with the realistic looking sets.
It actually was legitimate.
They changed it.
Ren was a cold blooded killer originally, he just killed Solo telling him he's not his father.
They made it so that Ren is actually internally torn and consumed by darkness.
While it might sound and look a bit cheesy, I think it's for the best.
Because there was no chance in hell Ren was ever redeemed for killing Solo in such cold manner.
Solo isn't a Jedi, he is never coming back "like obi wan", this is the closure fans got, having him killed by his son in an even worse way was not acceptable. I thought they did a decent job portraying it in a way that makes it OK for Ren to be redeemed in the future.
The guy was shot in the stomach. Or well, to the side of his stomach.
Shot.
It wasn't a scratch, there was blood dripping on the floor.
Now I have personally never been shot straight through my body by a laser blaster, but I'm fairly certain it is hard to even stand and walk, let alone physically fight someone with my big ass laser sword. It really isn't as much of a stretch as some of you are making it out to be. Rey can fight decently, Ren is badly wounded, so that's why she's able to hold her own.
Just got back from seeing it. I thought it had a great opening (stopping the blaster bolt in mid-air was cool), a too-fast and ultimately meaningless middle, and a rushed but serviceable ending.
None of the characters save Han, Poe, and Rey really got to do anything, Leia was an exposition-delivery device, and I thought her and Han's conversations about Ben were laying it on a bit too thick, while also preventing the movie from exploring more interesting ideas.
What someone else here said about it feeling too small is right. I think they should have moved on from the BB-8 plotline to something more interesting early on in the film. Imagine if half of A New Hope was just the Empire looking for R2-D2 and C-3PO. Other plot points that took up too much time in my view were Finn's lie about being a Resistance member (when Rey finds out, her reaction is pretty much "Okay.") and the pirates/monsters bits on Han's freighter.
Shorten or cut these bits and you could let the locations and environments have more character and make it clearer why they are the way they are. I have no idea why Maz runs a cantina in a thousand-year-old temple, for one thing. No idea how the Resistance knows who Snoke is. And the movie's final battle between the Resistance and the First Order is resolved in a fifteen-minute skirmish.
None of the characters save Han, Poe, and Rey really got to do anything, Leia was an exposition-delivery device, and I thought her and Han's conversations about Ben were laying it on a bit too thick, while also preventing the movie from exploring more interesting ideas.
What someone else here said about it feeling too small is right. I think they should have moved on from the BB-8 plotline to something more interesting early on in the film. Imagine if half of A New Hope was just the Empire looking for R2-D2 and C-3PO. Other plot points that took up too much time in my view were Finn's lie about being a Resistance member (when Rey finds out, her reaction is pretty much "Okay.") and the pirates/monsters bits on Han's freighter.
Shorten or cut these bits and you could let the locations and environments have more character and make it clearer why they are the way they are. I have no idea why Maz runs a cantina in a thousand-year-old temple, for one thing. No idea how the Resistance knows who Snoke is. And the movie's final battle between the Resistance and the First Order is resolved in a fifteen-minute skirmish.
eot
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I kinda like it too, but if the other two movies aren't a lot better I'm going to be disappointed with the new trilogy as a whole. This better not be the peak.
AtomnayaKlubnika
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I am a little disappointed with Snoke, I love his menacing presence, but when you look at him more closely he is kind of average. But we'll see how he will be developed later.
Maz was fine, imo, she makes me think of yoda. But I can understand people not liking her little pumpkin head.
One line I liked but cant really explain, Kylo refers to himself being "seduced" by the light side
Its such a strange notion, why doesnt he want to be on the light side? I cant remember them explaining that.
Also glad he lived, look forward to seeing Driver in 8
Its such a strange notion, why doesnt he want to be on the light side? I cant remember them explaining that.
Also glad he lived, look forward to seeing Driver in 8
Because there are not a single Jedi left in the galaxy that is fighting off the Empire.
They have no reason to have anti lightsabers weapons.
Also your argument doesn't really make sense, because it's like saying "They would lose to Luke with a blaster and a katana", which is absolutely true.
They would lose to anybody that masters the Force, no matter what they use.
So that's exactly the point, since they have literally no chance of wining against a force user, why would you even develop an anti lightsaber technology ?!
1) There are no Jedi left
2) If there were you would be dead in two seconds
3) Why equip most of your men with it when they are going to fight an army solely fighting with blasters
We have already explained that the lightsaber has no weight to it. And again, Rey can fight decently with weapons she knows, it's been explained several times that a lightsaber is not something like a blaster where you can grab another model and being proficient with it.
Its just throws to the bin all the mysticism around the weapon and how it was shown in the OT.
I agree with all this but rather than cut (altough I agree with han's freighter being too long) I think the movie needs some extra time to get some breathing between action and lay down the scenario a bit better.
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