Mangoverboard
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Spin off set up.
Theory: humans make awful Jedi because an angsty teenage period makes them very susceptible to the dark side.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Spin off set up.
Theory: humans make awful Jedi because an angsty teenage period makes them very susceptible to the dark side.
It would actually be pretty cool if Kylo joins the good guys for Episode VIII as sort of an anti-hero type. The scooby gang kills Snoke, but Kylo ends up taking the dark master mantle at the end, setting up Episode IX.
NOLA_Gaffer
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Waffling on whether I want to see this tonight or not. All that's left is 3D showings though, unless I want to drive a bit further out of my way. Decisions, decisions.
NekoFever
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There's no bottom to the planet Bespin but there must be one to Cloud City. Presumably the actual gas mine hardware is down there.
In what scenario does a clone war not involve an army of clones?
I enjoyed the film quite a bit but i have 2 big issues with it:
A) Starkiller Base is just ridiculous as a concept even for SW universe... You build a weapon that sucks the star's energy dry? So, once you fire it then what? You destroyed your system (no sun= everything dies) and you are going to build a new base in another system? On top of that you repeat the same mistake (weak point) for the god dammed THIRD TIME??? Really?! Not only that they didnt even guard the damn thing adequately... Solo was placing bombs casually all alone.
B) The movie feels like a giant trailer for episode 8... I entered the theater with a bunch of questions that the trailer raised, only to realise that most of them were left unanswered when I left... That is lame. Yes it is a trilogy and yes they should leave some things for the next sequels. But ffs they left some things completely unexplored. Why was Phasma in the movie really? Just for the cool costume? Talk about 0 character development. And thats minor stuff, the movie leaves almost every question we had unanswered... Even Rey ... Jesus, remember the first line of the trailer?
-"who are you?"
The film ends and we are all like: "yeah... really, who the ef are you?"
Luke's daughter? Ren's sister? God?
Feel kinda robbed a bit on that part.
A) Starkiller Base is just ridiculous as a concept even for SW universe... You build a weapon that sucks the star's energy dry? So, once you fire it then what? You destroyed your system (no sun= everything dies) and you are going to build a new base in another system? On top of that you repeat the same mistake (weak point) for the god dammed THIRD TIME??? Really?! Not only that they didnt even guard the damn thing adequately... Solo was placing bombs casually all alone.
B) The movie feels like a giant trailer for episode 8... I entered the theater with a bunch of questions that the trailer raised, only to realise that most of them were left unanswered when I left... That is lame. Yes it is a trilogy and yes they should leave some things for the next sequels. But ffs they left some things completely unexplored. Why was Phasma in the movie really? Just for the cool costume? Talk about 0 character development. And thats minor stuff, the movie leaves almost every question we had unanswered... Even Rey ... Jesus, remember the first line of the trailer?
-"who are you?"
The film ends and we are all like: "yeah... really, who the ef are you?"
Luke's daughter? Ren's sister? God?
Feel kinda robbed a bit on that part.
WadiumArcadium
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Just listening to the old Full of Sith rumour control now I've seen the film. There was a scene where Kylo gets in the Falcon originally?
Mangoverboard
Banned
We all assuming Kylo killed Rey's mother / lukes's wife too? Old EU style.
It dropped somewhere. Someone picked up. She bought it from that person. Done.
Really, not everything needs a thorough explanation. "Old spacebar owner collects historic shit for shits and giggles" is good enough for me.
Star Wars is a fairy tale in space. It is okay if sometimes shit happens out of convenience, it doesn't really matter that much. They can always write a book, comic or put stuff like that as a plot point in one of the spin-off movies if they want to.
It's a trilogy. They can explain it later when Luke's past is more relevant to the plot.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Yes it was on the shot list. May or may not have been filmed. At some point they changed where the Saber came from as well.
Sevket-Erhat
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Please tell me what awakened R2D2? Luke's lightsaber?
WadiumArcadium
Member
Ah right. Hope it's a deleted scene.
Hot Coldman
Banned
He finally updated to Windows 10.
Going to spoiler this just in case someone actually stumbles into this thread thinking it's not the spoiler one:
Wonderful, wonderful film, and so far away from the prequels in tone and quality as to be comical. Massive kudos to everyone involved, somehow they pulled it off!
Christ, the scene with Han and Kylo Ren on the bridge...I can't remember ever experiencing that much tension over the possibility of a character dying! Which is refreshing as usually it's pretty obvious one way or another, but I was genuienely doubtful they'd actually do that. Very brave stuff and a nice example of them willing to take risks.
Wonderful, wonderful film, and so far away from the prequels in tone and quality as to be comical. Massive kudos to everyone involved, somehow they pulled it off!
That would make a lot of sense
George Oscar Bluth II
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I remember when it was Luke's saber on Jakku, not that little map device.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
He was done calculating the star map.
Hot Coldman
Banned
That. Was. Amazing.
My mother, who isn't even a Star Wars fan want's to see it again.
HanKnew it would happen, just had a feeling. When he touched Kylo's face :'(
A lot of people should have seen the Han stuff coming, given it's been public knowledge for years that Harrison wanted Han to die in ROTJ. That scene still hit like a truck, though.
It doesn't even have to fall into those tubes, man.
https://youtu.be/kvrAAD8tRw8?t=7m21s
Some Ugnaughts take a break from whatever it is they do, step out for a little blaze in the shaft so that narc Lobot doesn't see and find a lightsaber. No biggie, they probably find shit down there all the time!
PairOfFilthySocks
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So, in other words; an ass-pull.
You cannot get away with having a plot pivotal object turn up out of nowhere at the place the heroes happen to be stopping by. It's lousy writing, simple as that.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Yeah, I guessed it just because I assumed Harrison wouldn't sign on for more than one movie
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
The audience (including me) did the loudest fucking gasp in unison when Han got stabbed.
There's no bottom to Cloud City? Are we all just forgetting the tunnels where Luke ended? I mean sure he got thrown out but that didn't necessarily need to happen to the light saber.
Honestly I think the idea some guy just found it then it got traded around is fine.
Honestly I think the idea some guy just found it then it got traded around is fine.
Boba Fett was never actually cool. He stood around a lot and then stood around some more. But he had cool armor while standing around. That is it. Literally.
The presence of Rey.
Hot Coldman
Banned
yeah, I mean shit why the fuck would they just encounter the MILLENIUM FALCON of all things on the planet Rey lives on???? omg abrams what a hack
Messypandas
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Was that Coruscant that got destroyed?
WadiumArcadium
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Some of these TFN reviews are cracking me up. Once just said that Finn is worse than Jar Jar, Maul's a better character than Kylo and the lightsaber fight is the worst in the series. I can't...
AtomnayaKlubnika
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But Kylo already has a sister right? The one played by Billie Lourd, what is her name again?
Sure you can. See: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)
Yeah but the rewritten dialog with Leia, Han, and Ben, and the fact that he IS the last Solo now, makes me think they will just try to make him descent into hell but open his eyes.
His father literally told him that Snoke was using him for his power, Ben just needs to realize it.
Also while he might have had a tendency to be "bad", I doubt that a 14 years old was ready to kill his own family all on his own.
Not even Vader was that cold, he had reasons. Kylo has absolutely no reason, and his behaviour is really depicting him as a man-child . So I'm sure they are just going to go the "Snoke turned you into this" route.
The only reason Anakin wanted to be powerful was to save his loved ones. While Kylo is just a little piece of shit as he is now.
Let's say JJ's writing made it this way, the intern screenings forced him to rewrite it, so i'm sure the sequel writers will handle Kylo in a better way.
It'd be sad to just have him be full evil, because he is so pathetic(in the literal sense) as a villain.
I can absolutely see Snoke not being the only threat. True siths maybe ? Something that would be really scary, and not just one guy that isn't even strong and is just a moody teenager, as big bad.
That's THE WHOLE MOVIE.
Why was Han anywhere near Rey and Finn ?
Why did Finn arrive at the exact time Rey was there ?
I mean yeah call it lazy writing, which it is, but at this rate the whole movie is unwatchable. It's OK, it's the "force".
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
I thought the same thing, but I don't think it is.
No, although I thought it was at first. Later in they mentioned the name of the system that got destroyed, and it wasn't Coruscant.
I think my only main "gripe" (it's not a big one but it still stands out for me) is the starkiller base. You'd think after having two death stars blown up by a rag tag team of underfunded pilots, they would probably rethink their strategy, or at least protect it better. But nope, let's make it bigger, more powerful and equally as defenseless (if not more, in comparison) to the last one. Where did they even get the funds, the material and the time ?
I loved the first order throughout the entire 2/3rd of the movie but the ending kiiiinda makes them a bit of a joke when it comes to planning. It feels after this, everything they'd do could be countered super easily
I loved the first order throughout the entire 2/3rd of the movie but the ending kiiiinda makes them a bit of a joke when it comes to planning. It feels after this, everything they'd do could be countered super easily
WadiumArcadium
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In Aftermath Mon Mothma established the new republic at Chandrila. It could be there I guess.
This thread has been kind of amusing to read:
"Whaaa! Why is this movie aping Star Wars/A New Hope so closely! Also, Whaaa! Why isn't Rey's force potential and character arc a complete copy/paste of Lukes!"
So which is it? Is the trilogy about 3 new characters who have arcs differing from the prequel and OT characters, or is a derivative nostalgia bait fest that's just copying the OT? I'm confused.
Rey is able to do what she does at the end of the film because she's not Luke Skywalker. She's Rey. Her path, potential, and arc, are not the same as Luke's. That's going to be part of her journey, and what makes her a character worth following for the next two movies. We don't know where her potential is going to take her.
Ditto for Finn. We don't know if he's just a gifted Stormtrooper, or a Force User. Him and Rey are separated by the end of the film. Where is his journey of self discovery going to take him? Him awakening to his inner hero isn't the end of his arc, it's just the beginning. What is Finn going to do with this new sense of purpose? He's discovered something within himself at great cost (he gets severely wounded finding his inner strength, and almost dies). That's what makes him a character worth following for the next two movies.
The movie may be stand alone in that it has a beginning, middle, and end to the particular plot/conflict that is set up in the broad strokes, but it also leaves plenty of material for the other two filmmakers to come in and expand on that, in the same way Empire and Jedi expanded on what the self contained Star Wars established. I personally don't need everything spelled out for me. I can infer a lot from what's presented on screen.
I don't need to know everything about the First Order, the Knights of Ren, Rey, Finn, Poe, the New Republic, the Resistance, in the first movie. For better or worse, Star Wars is a franchise, and money-making juggernaut. As I stated earlier in this thread, Disney and Lucasfilm are going to milk as much money out of this billion dollar investment as they can. That 30 year gap between Jedi and TFA WILL be explored. We will have books, comics, toys, video games, other movies, no doubt a TV series that's going to flesh out the world building established in TFA.
The main Star Wars films have always been simple, following a core group of characters. From what I've gleaned, the Empire was defeated/dealt a severe blow at the end of Jedi, but it wasn't wiped out. The Rebels were able to form the New Republic, and we had relatively peaceful times for 30 years. In the background, however, the remnants of the Empire were licking their wounds and marshaling their forces. Leia implores the New Republic to combat this growing threat. They don't want to for reasons yet fully disclosed, so she forms the Resistance. She is "resisting" the reluctance of the New Republic. She's "resisting" the growing threat of the First Order. That's plenty of enough bone to grow some story/character drama meat on for me, personally.
"Whaaa! Why is this movie aping Star Wars/A New Hope so closely! Also, Whaaa! Why isn't Rey's force potential and character arc a complete copy/paste of Lukes!"
So which is it? Is the trilogy about 3 new characters who have arcs differing from the prequel and OT characters, or is a derivative nostalgia bait fest that's just copying the OT? I'm confused.
Rey is able to do what she does at the end of the film because she's not Luke Skywalker. She's Rey. Her path, potential, and arc, are not the same as Luke's. That's going to be part of her journey, and what makes her a character worth following for the next two movies. We don't know where her potential is going to take her.
Ditto for Finn. We don't know if he's just a gifted Stormtrooper, or a Force User. Him and Rey are separated by the end of the film. Where is his journey of self discovery going to take him? Him awakening to his inner hero isn't the end of his arc, it's just the beginning. What is Finn going to do with this new sense of purpose? He's discovered something within himself at great cost (he gets severely wounded finding his inner strength, and almost dies). That's what makes him a character worth following for the next two movies.
The movie may be stand alone in that it has a beginning, middle, and end to the particular plot/conflict that is set up in the broad strokes, but it also leaves plenty of material for the other two filmmakers to come in and expand on that, in the same way Empire and Jedi expanded on what the self contained Star Wars established. I personally don't need everything spelled out for me. I can infer a lot from what's presented on screen.
I don't need to know everything about the First Order, the Knights of Ren, Rey, Finn, Poe, the New Republic, the Resistance, in the first movie. For better or worse, Star Wars is a franchise, and money-making juggernaut. As I stated earlier in this thread, Disney and Lucasfilm are going to milk as much money out of this billion dollar investment as they can. That 30 year gap between Jedi and TFA WILL be explored. We will have books, comics, toys, video games, other movies, no doubt a TV series that's going to flesh out the world building established in TFA.
The main Star Wars films have always been simple, following a core group of characters. From what I've gleaned, the Empire was defeated/dealt a severe blow at the end of Jedi, but it wasn't wiped out. The Rebels were able to form the New Republic, and we had relatively peaceful times for 30 years. In the background, however, the remnants of the Empire were licking their wounds and marshaling their forces. Leia implores the New Republic to combat this growing threat. They don't want to for reasons yet fully disclosed, so she forms the Resistance. She is "resisting" the reluctance of the New Republic. She's "resisting" the growing threat of the First Order. That's plenty of enough bone to grow some story/character drama meat on for me, personally.
Brah, the plot of ANH involves the escape pod from the ship happening to crash close to some Jawas who happened to sell the two droids to the family of Luke Skywalker, who also lives near to Obi-Wan Kenobi. On the entire planet, the chances of such a thing are slightly unlikely.
Coincidences and conveniences have driven Star Wars since the opening scene.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I kind of hope it was Coruscant. Dexter Jettster lived there, right?
This film is what i dreamed about for years, it has everything of the classic trilogy plus great new characters, performances, a great villain, all the star wars action and the humor, it's really all there. Kill 1-3 with fire now, Eps VII is the modern Star Wars film we deserve.
I will miss Han =(
I will miss Han =(
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Are Disneyland kiosks G-Level canon or C-Level canon?
Messypandas
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I didn't like Ren as a character all that much. His tantrums made him look like an incompetent manchild. And he gets bested by a newb 2 minutes after they picked up a lightsaber. Are they laying the groundwork for an epic rematch in 8? Because after Reys had training he's going to look even more pathetic. Was really hoping to like him more.
Inferno313
Banned
Yeah. Like that time R2D2 was sent by Leia and just happened to land right next to her brother, who coincidentally lived right next to the guy R2D2 was sent to.
Or like that time a single probe droid was sent to Hoth, and managed to land feet from Luke.
Or like that time Luke only knew what system Yoda was in, but landed feet from him on the first planet he tried.
Star Wars is the king of random contrived coincidences, but here's the thing, they don't actually matter to the quality of the film. Characters, emotions, the experience, that's what matters, not how "realistic" everything is.
I was thinking exactly that and internally going "yesss". I was also thinking maybe Jar Jar was buried on Coruscant
Hot Coldman
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