[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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You're saying Han Solo doesn't know how to install a tracker on his own ship that he's owned for almost half a century?
This is seriously reaching now
Oh yeah, most definitely. I think because of that, though, the movie had a bit of Spider-Man 3 syndrome: trying to incorporate too many characters the fans know, but only having enough time to properly use one or two of them. It's one of the reasons I'm fine with Luke being in the movie for all of twenty seconds; there just wasn't enough space for him in the film. Hopefully they've got plans to show how Leia has developed.
It's a bit similar to my main gripe. Not that "everything just happens" but that rather everything is happening AGAIN and no one seems to notice. Now I don't mind at all retreading some ANH stuff, for me it worked in majority. But two of the most glaring things for me is 1) Empire guys building yet another deathstar that, while being more powerful has the same defensive weakness as the last one and 2) That the group fighting against them is the "resistance". Kinda goes against the resolution. The death star trench run and subsequent explosion is one of the most popular scenes in star wars right behind "I am your father" for me. I was really expecting like a little bait and switch in like "Ooooh they think they're gonna destroy it but it will have some kind of emergency procedure or something" but nope. It's pretty blatant even for the non initiated i'd say. So i'm really curious how the First Order is kinda gonna up their games now that they've lost another massive weaponized space station
Is he in fact not a giant? I thought he was. My wife thinks it's like a Wizard of Oz thing.
God bless Regal theaters!
Messypandas
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Also why is Luke looking for the first jedi temple, why did Luke leave an obscure map to himself that was dangerous in any hands it fell into instead of just resurfacing to the rebellion. Why was he just staring at the ocean and how long had he been doing that for when Rey found him.
Well that makes sense in a way
Obviously he's not going to be the size of a building though
lastplayed
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Well some people are born with force sensitivity, and if you can tap into that using hate, anger, jealousy etc, then you are using the dark side of the force.
The Sith were just an ancient order that only had 2 members by the time of TPM.
could be his own personal tracker. And we only know that he had lost it for a few years, no mention of decades. Also perhaps tracking technology has advanced in the last 30 years?
Shalashaska
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Man, I had a feeling about what was going to happen halfway through the movie. 
Darryl M R
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I really enjoyed the movie. Had to go to a national museum in DC for the real IMAX experience but there were no popcorn or Icees. I liked Finn and BB the most. I'm looking forward to the next movie, any release date hinted at: 2017, 2018?
Napoleonthechimp
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Oh, I'm sorry... "years". It was stolen (wouldn't it have to be active - and trackable - to be stolen) and he couldn't find it across the vast gulf of space for years.
But the issue with Han Solo just turning up is one of many things I've mentioned related to coincidences.
Also, Han being estranged from Leia seemed unnecessary because it ultimately went no where. It almost felt as if they went that direction because they wanted Han to be as the fans knew him... which was disappointing to me because it didn't seem realistic that a 70+ year old man would restart a life as a reckless smuggler after everything he's been through.
Also Kylo Ren's power levels and abilities seem inconsistent. I was pretty impressed when he had the power to stop that energy bolt, and do all of that other telekinetic stuff (that I don't even recall Darth Vader doing), but less so when he was dueling with Rey. "But he was injured!" Hm...
And these aren't things I'm bringing up just to be a dick btw, these are all things that crossed my mind when I saw the movie. Many of which led me to feeling cold toward the movie after it finished.
LegalEagleMike
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Chewbacca was pissed
Is there a chance Rey is Han's daughter ? They did hint at it (and she definitely was in an early script).
But it'd be stupid now, because Leia would have felt it. And she would have remembered her dad I'm sure.
And she's too young to be related to Kenobi. There isn't much chance of her being anything but Luke's daughter, given how they rewrote a few scenes.
But it'd be stupid now, because Leia would have felt it. And she would have remembered her dad I'm sure.
And she's too young to be related to Kenobi. There isn't much chance of her being anything but Luke's daughter, given how they rewrote a few scenes.
That's what I thought
As of now she's so much worse lol total non character who looks like a walking bin actually gets thrown into a bin after helping two men and a wookie fuck up your super expensive resort planet.
OmegaSmash
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Would be nice, but I really doubt it. Not unless she comes back and has a real role in the next movie.
It was glorious
Like when bond's DB5 got blown up in Skyfall - shits gonna get real now son
He definitely was. It was hilarious.
lastplayed
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Maybe he's a lot better at force gripping than he is at fencing. He might think he's shit hot because he has a lightsaber, but he was shown otherwise.
I'm sure Snoke will correct that.
Messypandas
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Her and Ren were competing for the biggest L. Snoke should feel BLESSED he has Hux.
Add to this, why does Luke look a bit broken, especially when Rey displays his saber?
I don't see why he couldn't be. It would be interesting to have a Force user who doesn't fight with a lightsaber. But yeah, I guess we'll see. The size of his hologram is probably just to brainwash those under his command.
The Sith also had a pretty clear lineage of masters teaching pupils, right? At the very least, the Sith lineage that lead to Palpatine, Darth Maul, Dooku, and Vader. Could you be a master of the Dark Side, as Supreme Leader Snoke seems to be, without a master's guidance?
Napoleonthechimp
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And yes, Snoke better be a giant IRL.
BronsonLee
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It is not, I resent that!
Slander is spoken.
In print, it's libel!
No wonder Spectre was terrible!
ScientificNinja
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I have to admit I left the cinema a little angry.
1. They fucking killed Han Solo. I saw it coming from a mile away; his farewell scene with Leia, him saying that Chewie liked Rey, walking alone out to a completely exposed platform I still cried like a fucking baby.
2. That Starkiller thing seemed a bit poorly thought out. Does it even move?
3. The big gap between the tie-fighter crash and Poe Dameron showing up again in the X-wing was an incredibly annoying 'hanging question'. It suggested to me the story is about Finn, when in fact the real protagonist of the story is Rey.
1. They fucking killed Han Solo. I saw it coming from a mile away; his farewell scene with Leia, him saying that Chewie liked Rey, walking alone out to a completely exposed platform I still cried like a fucking baby.
2. That Starkiller thing seemed a bit poorly thought out. Does it even move?
3. The big gap between the tie-fighter crash and Poe Dameron showing up again in the X-wing was an incredibly annoying 'hanging question'. It suggested to me the story is about Finn, when in fact the real protagonist of the story is Rey.
I didn't really flesh it out, but...
Of the top of my head: could be a flashback to his search for the temple. Could be real-time and then Rey would find him in that same island during the beginning of Episode VIII, as he exited the temple.
As for who he could be fighting... Some random creatures who made the temple their home. Or something protecting the Holocron. Or we could find out during Ep. VIII he wasn't fighting (I merely mentioned he drew his lightsaber and ran/paced towards the camera, gotta leave that screenwriter wiggle-room
) and the rustling/whispers are revealed to be Rey.Basically, I think the current ending dragged a bit and lacked impact. Maybe because it was obvious what was coming. But even knowing that I was expecting something more to happen. The looooooong shot of Rey handing him the lightsaber and Luke just looking at her didn't really work for me.
He doesn't become Rocksteady yet.
Would have been cooler. Either way the random melee weapon stormtrooper scene was really weird and out of place. I guess they had to do something to establish that Finn wasn't good at saber stuff.
Pfft Hux is a dumbass as well whose only good moment was screaming like a crazy fanatic. Ren was easily the stand out between all three but yeah they all got fucked up.
OmegaSmash
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At least Ren fought. Phasma didn't even have an action scene.
Elitist1945
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I was actually surprised they killed Han. I shed a single
manly tear for Solo.
many
JHoNNy1OoO
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Was talking with a friend and we both hated the Solo death. It just felt like the easy way out. I think it would have been much more interesting if Kylo had "turned" and then for Ep8 you don't know if he is an infiltrator or genuine about the reversal. Maybe he's doing it to get at the Rebels from the inside and kill Leia? Maybe he's trying to get close to Luke and Rey to kill them both? Basically a Homeland scenario. It would have heightened all the scenes with Kylo in it from that point forward. You still got the villain in the Supreme Leader and they could have introduced someone else in the next movie.
Loved the movie for what it was. MOTHERFUCKING STAR WARS! Just didn't like the storytelling.
Loved the movie for what it was. MOTHERFUCKING STAR WARS! Just didn't like the storytelling.
AzureRonin
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Coincidences happen in real life. The estrangement serves to create an emotional tension surrounding Ren because it exemplifies the failure his parents feel and the failure he feels. His inconsistent power makes sense to me because he isn't fully trained and it's based on some serious complexes which serve to strengthen or weaken him in unpredictable ways. it's pretty simple.
shoplifter
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MY GOD I AM SO FUCKING HAPPY RIGHT NOW.
Was it perfect? No, but it did so many things right and left things open for episodes 8 and 9.
Was it perfect? No, but it did so many things right and left things open for episodes 8 and 9.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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If this movie had written and directed by George Lucas people would be killing this movie.
Badlucktroll
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Are Kylo and Rey siblings? It seems hinted at but never confirmed
BizzyBum
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Just got back from IMAX.
I loved it. Unfortunately, I was spoiled that Han Solo died (my own fault for browsing 4chan) so that scene lost all tension for me which kinda sucks but even if I wasn't spoiled it had this very ominous feel to it and you kinda saw he was going to die. I still can't believe they actually killed him off, and in a way where Leia couldn't even give him a proper burial. They way he lovingly touched his son's face as if to say he still loved him. Brutal stuff.
I loved everything about it, though. It looked great, it sounded great, it was funny, it had great action scenes, a perfect mix of classic nostalgia and new school. It's obviously not perfect, and I felt the story played it a bit too safe (you would think after the rebels destroyed two Death Star's that the third Death Star wouldn't have the same exact weakness) but everything that was there was crafted with such great detail and respect JJ had for the Star Wars lore.
And the saber duels. Awesome. Yeah, it's kinda silly that Finn was able to last that long against Ren but when Rey used the Force to beat Ren and get Luke's lightsaber and flung it past Ren I was like fuckkkkkk. The thing I loved about the duels were they actually looked like sword fights and had a lot of weight behind them, instead of a choreographed set piece of twirling and back flips.
Disappointed Luke was only there for the last 15 seconds but we will obviously see him way more in VIII and IX. Going to see this again on Sunday.
I loved it. Unfortunately, I was spoiled that Han Solo died (my own fault for browsing 4chan) so that scene lost all tension for me which kinda sucks but even if I wasn't spoiled it had this very ominous feel to it and you kinda saw he was going to die. I still can't believe they actually killed him off, and in a way where Leia couldn't even give him a proper burial. They way he lovingly touched his son's face as if to say he still loved him. Brutal stuff.
I loved everything about it, though. It looked great, it sounded great, it was funny, it had great action scenes, a perfect mix of classic nostalgia and new school. It's obviously not perfect, and I felt the story played it a bit too safe (you would think after the rebels destroyed two Death Star's that the third Death Star wouldn't have the same exact weakness) but everything that was there was crafted with such great detail and respect JJ had for the Star Wars lore.
And the saber duels. Awesome. Yeah, it's kinda silly that Finn was able to last that long against Ren but when Rey used the Force to beat Ren and get Luke's lightsaber and flung it past Ren I was like fuckkkkkk. The thing I loved about the duels were they actually looked like sword fights and had a lot of weight behind them, instead of a choreographed set piece of twirling and back flips.
Disappointed Luke was only there for the last 15 seconds but we will obviously see him way more in VIII and IX. Going to see this again on Sunday.
If you asked someone in 1977 to make a sequel to Star Wars, this would be pretty close to it. Glad Harrison Ford got his wish, but Coruscant being destroyed was the real show stealer.
Captain Phasma was such a joke, hyped up by merchandise and now children all around the world now realize they were given a wimp.
Also, someone make John Williams immortal, stat. He reinvented the Star Wars sound all over again, and it's so majestic and beautiful. All of his new leitmotifs are so soothing and uplifting, it's such a heroic and high brow soundtrack that the few callbacks to the OT music stand out really hard; as if it suddenly changed genres.
Captain Phasma was such a joke, hyped up by merchandise and now children all around the world now realize they were given a wimp.
Also, someone make John Williams immortal, stat. He reinvented the Star Wars sound all over again, and it's so majestic and beautiful. All of his new leitmotifs are so soothing and uplifting, it's such a heroic and high brow soundtrack that the few callbacks to the OT music stand out really hard; as if it suddenly changed genres.
lastplayed
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Yeah Snoke could have had a teacher. Yoda and Luke were just focused on bringing down the Sith and the Empire, there could have been loads of dark force users hidden around the galaxy.
Napoleonthechimp
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It depletes stars, but moving seems problematic given it has an atmosphere. They also mentioned the bolt / bullet things are hyper ... they move at FTL speeds. But expecting the to fire across a galaxy seems somewhat unbelievable even for this movie.
I interpreted Ren was him being a hot headed and still battling his inner light/dark side at thay point. He did just killed his father too, so the guilt still haunts him.
No, people would be stunned that he somehow managed to acquire some impressive directing and writing skills and actually make a competent film that pisses over his previous three.
I just remembered, people are questioning why Finn was able to use the lightsaber and even land a hit on Kylo before getting wrecked, but Finn is presumably trained in that electric baton like the stormtrooper that picks a fight with him, so he does have experience with hand to hand weapon fighting. Likewise Rey not only has the Force, but is obviously skilled with that staff.
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