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[Evening Musuko]

So is Finn force sensitive or not

A lot of people mention the lightsaber, but maybe the reason he could be is his mind? Finn mentioned he was kidnapped as a kid, as I assume a lot of the First Order Stormtroopers are. But it does seem pretty odd that all of a sudden, despite being with the First Order all his life, he was just like "Fuck This, I'm out." I'm pretty sure that they kidnap kids because you can easily mold them into loyal soldiers. Perhaps it didn't work too well on Finn.

But then again, Finn remembers being kidnapped, so maybe he was probably old enough to remember things and just went along with everything until he found an out with Poe.

Or it could be a teen/20 something rebellion thing. They're human for the most part, not clones I assume.

I'm not a huge Star Wars fan though, so I'm just throwing things out there.

 

[rekameohs]

Han and Leia's kid being named "Ben" was main callback that really got to me. So good.

And wait, was there not a Wilhelm scream? It just occurred to me. It'd be odd if that were the one thing they held back on lol.

As far as rankings go,
IV > V > VI or VII, I need a second viewing > III > I > II

Wilhelm totally happened when Poe and Finn escaped the Star Destroyer in the TIE fighter. I latch on to that shit.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

the "you need a pilot"/tie fighter escape sequence with Finn/Poe was one of the highlights for me for sure

also the long one take from Finn's perspective as Poe flies around and stylishly does all the cool X-Wing shit was really dope

 

[Ithil]

Han and Leia's kid being named "Ben" was main callback that really got to me. So good.

And wait, was there not a Wilhelm scream? It just occurred to me. It'd be odd if that were the one thing they held back on lol.

As far as rankings go,
IV > V > VI or VII, I need a second viewing > III > I > II

There was a brief and quiet one during the escape at the start.

 

[B_Spooky13]

Holy shit this movie was pretty amazing. I was actually pretty surprised. I mean I felt that it was going to be good but damn they nailed it like 95%. I mean little things here and there but over all WOW.

My brother in law and I teared up when Han died. My wife was straight up balling her eyes out. And oh my god all the gasps. I believe I heard a couple of people sobbing.. might have just been me sobbing. The last 30 min got me tearing up.

It finally felt like there was umpf behind weapons. It didn't feel like people were getting hit with nothing. It really felt like they were getting hit with lasers. And the Lightsaber duel really felt genuine. Ep 1-3 just felt more like flash and dance but this one had more... Force? (Ha puns)

The big reveal of Kylo Ren's face kinda felt anti-climatic. He took off the helmet and my wife was like "He's Adorable".. people laughed. I mean I get he's early in the films.. He's not so evil.. not so good. He was on the ledge of turning. And I get now that he's fully turned he's going to get more messed up. I don't know he wasn't really what I was expecting when he took off the helmet.

But I do have to give it to them for making it clear why there was human Stormtroopers and not the clones. And the fucking wit in this movie was great. All the actors hit the comedy on the nail.. Even the Stormtrooper that Rey mind controlled was hilarious.

Also I do want to say that I love that they didn't make this all about Luke. While yes they work looking for him, it felt the old cast was in a sense passing a torch to the newcomers. It felt good. It felt right.

Overall the experience was fantastic. With everyone hooting and yelling when the opening story started to scroll. Han and Leia showing up.. When we finally got to see Luke. Amazing time

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I still think its really cool that look gets back the saber he had when Vader cuts his hand off.

 

[Rean]

Can someone explain to me how Fin and Rey were able to fight Kylo Ren and actually put up a fight when he apperently had training?

 

[mreddie]

So are Andy Serkis and Greg Grunberg ultimate nerd gods as of now since Andy has done Marvel/Star Wars and Grunberg did Star Trak and Star Wars?

 

[Tubie]

Nope.

Rogue One is about

Spoiler

the Rebel crew who stole the Deathstar plans that Leia has in ANH.

Ah, I knew nothing of Rogue One.

Hype back down to normal levels then.

 

[Gleethor]

Am I misremembering or did they totally not use the X-wing water shot from the first teaser?

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

Can someone explain to me how Fin and Rey were able to fight Kylo Ren and actually put up a fight when he apperently had training?

Finn was trained as a killing machine from birth and Rey is force sensitive, possibly even a Skywalker if speculation rings true in episode VIII. Also, Kylo is still in training and was probably mentally off guard thanks to his own conflicts over killing his father.

 

[Ithil]

Can someone explain to me how Fin and Rey were able to fight Kylo Ren and actually put up a fight when he apperently had training?

Finn is trained in combat, Rey is Force sensitive and skilled with her staff, and Ren was badly injured by Chewie shooting him. He also wasn't trying to kill Rey during their part of the fight.

 

[Sephzilla]

Can someone explain to me how Fin and Rey were able to fight Kylo Ren and actually put up a fight when he apperently had training?

Ren was wounded and emotionally unstable at the time, so he was probably not on his A-game. Finn got wrecked. Rey is OP.

 

[Hawkian]

While I agree with you

"as long as there's still light..."

is PT level dialogue.

Hmm I'm not sure I even remember that line? Who says it?

 

[Briarios]

Can someone explain to me how Fin and Rey were able to fight Kylo Ren and actually put up a fight when he apperently had training?

He was hurt. He'd just been shot by Chewbacca's bowcaster which had been repeatedly shown in the film to be the most powerful blaster out there.

 

[Dimmle]

I'm excited for the new set pieces in episodes VIII and IX. This movie did an excellent job of checking all the boxes of expectations hoisted upon a Star Wars reboot but what it really did was clear the slate for more creative freedom in the sequels.

 

[billbloodshed]

Can someone explain to me how Fin and Rey were able to fight Kylo Ren and actually put up a fight when he apperently had training?

Kylo was seriously wounded from the bowcaster shot he took from chewie

 

[manfestival]

seems like the resistance is so incredibly weak. Though I believe they mentioned the possibility of it being larger and the rest of the resistance was not close enough to respond in time?

I mainly say this as I would love to see a giant fleet battle but maybe that time has truly passed.

 

[Armadilo]

So good and it seems clone troopers are coming back

 

[mreddie]

So good and it seems clone troopers are coming back

The prequels did matter in a way.

 

[xJavonta]

It was worth it to see full on Wookie rage

so true, chewy going crazy for those 20 seconds was one of my favorite shot scenes in the movie

 

[Jsquared77]

It's help me, despite my best efforts and using the restroom before the movie started I had[/] to take a bathroom break during the movie. Meaning I missed most of the interrogation scene with Kylo Ren. I came back in to find Rey calling out Ren on being afraid that he'll never be as powerful of Vader.

What transpired before? Does it at all explain her meteoric rise in Force proficiency?

He was basically trying to use his force mind reading powers on her and she reflected it back and read his mind. Think Yoda and Dooku's force lightning exchange in AOTC. But instead of lightning, a series of wincing facial expressions. At least that was my take on it.

 

[NihonTiger90]

And wait, was there not a Wilhelm scream? It just occurred to me. It'd be odd if that were the one thing they held back on lol.

Finn and Poe's escape scene. There's one there.

 

[nib95]

As far as I am aware Kasdan is the mastermind. JJ helped with the first movie and setting up the world and where the story would go. But beyond what is written, it is entirely up to the next directors to do what they want to do. I hope Disney's iron grip is hard on this one so they stay as close as possible to what Kasdan and Abrams brought.

Some, but I'm afraid Rian will take it in to an overly zany and convoluted direction. I wasn't the biggest fan of Looper.

 

[Josh5890]

Kylo Ren is a really effective villain. He's basically Anakin from the prequels done right, which is amazing because we aren't actually told a whole lot about him. We can easily infer what kind of person he is and what his strengths and weaknesses of character are just from watching him operate. His scene with Han on the bridge had more emotion and characterization than Anakin did in all three of the prequel movies.

I was not a big fan of his early in the film. If he turned good at that scene with Han I would've been pissed with him. However, that one scene made me like the character so much more. It brought everything full circle for him in my opinion, at least for that film.

 

[munchie64]

So much hyperbole going on in the OT thread.
I get it that some people love SW but some are making it out like it's the best movie ever created.
No perspective. I liken it to parents who are watching their children perform and rave about how good they are when really they are just run of the mill

Not really seeing much hyperbole tbh. At least no more than any good movie gets.

 

[Tubie]

The whole theater let out one huge gasp when that lightsaber went through Solo.

I have to admit I teared up when he touched Ben's face after that.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Ren was wounded and emotionally unstable at the time, so he was probably not on his A-game. Finn got wrecked. Rey is OP.

Rey is the John Cena of Star Wars confirmed, no odds she can't overcome. Fighting off crooks, flying foreign ships, knowing the Falcon better than Han, using the Force better than Kylo in like 10 seconds, overpowering my dude in a lightsaber duel.

And this is PRE-Luke Skywalker training. In Ep.8 Rey is gonna just stare at dudes and they explode.

 

[mreddie]

Some, but I'm afraid Rian will take it in to an overly zany and convoluted direction. I wasn't the biggest fan of Looper.

Li? Jet Li?

 

[friskykillface]

Can someone explain to me how Fin and Rey were able to fight Kylo Ren and actually put up a fight when he apperently had training?

Kylo got injured by Chewie the gods gun, so it made him weak and equal to Finn x Rey

thank you Chewie

 

[foxtrot3d]

Some, but I'm afraid Rian will take it in to an overly zany and convoluted direction. I wasn't the biggest fan of Looper.

Well, I for one am glad the series will be taken out of JJ's hands and I hope the next script has less of his influence on it.

 

[Armadilo]

Damn clone trooper generals ohhhh gawd

 

[Ithil]

I was not a big fan of his early in the film. If he turned good at that scene with Han I would've been pissed with him. However, that one scene made me like the character so much more. It brought everything full circle for him in my opinion, at least for that film.

Especially as his dialogue to Han seems to be about him turning back to the light, only at the end do you realise what he was really talking about.

 

[BronsonLee]

Not really seeing much hyperbole tbh. At least no more than any good movie gets.

You got dem blinders on

That shit is all over the place

 

[Afrocious]

I still think its really cool that look gets back the saber he had when Vader cuts his hand off.

So the green saber was a new one in Ep 6? I thought the reason it was green due to the color showing up easier on film or something.

 

[ZZMitch]

Can someone explain to me how Fin and Rey were able to fight Kylo Ren and actually put up a fight when he apperently had training?

Kylo did get shot with a bowcaster like 3 minutes before sooo...

 

[Dimmle]

Y'all need to watch Brick or one of his Breaking Bad episodes so you can stop equating Rian Johnson with the movie Looper.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

So the green saber was a new one in Ep 6? I thought the reason it was green due to the color showing up easier on film or something.

He had to construct a new light saber for ROTJ. It was a deleted scene from ROTJ and Vader mentions it before they go up to see the emperor.

Unless Im way off, thats the saber the fell down the shaft in cloud city after his hand gets cut off.

 

[BronsonLee]

And this is PRE-Luke Skywalker training. In Ep.8 Rey is gonna just stare at dudes and they explode.

With her powers at full strength, she stands alone

She is

THE FRIENDZONE GIRL

 

[Vanillalite]

I really did love it, and all of the new characters were wonderfully acted.

That being said when I walked out of the theater I couldn't help but think despite the story beat parallels to ANH that it felt like it's own beginning vs explicitly set in the Star Wars universe despite having some Star Wars characters.

 

[jmelons]

seems like the resistance is so incredibly weak.

Well, what are they supposed to resist, really? The galactic empire fell apart. The First Order is trying to restart that, but they, too, are a small faction. In the OT, there were basically 2 giant forces, empire and rebels. Now, with the fall of the empire, it's many small factions.

 

[Zeyphersan]

So the green saber was a new one in Ep 6? I thought the reason it was green due to the color showing up easier on film or something.

He had lost his blue one at the end of Ep 5 when it fell down the shaft in Cloud City. Somehow Mo got it back. Then he makes a new one for Ep 6 which Vader comments on

 

[Dreams-Visions]

What a movie.

Wanted more of Phasma. I'll take more of her in the next film.

It was everything I could have hoped and a little more.

 

[Afrocious]

He had to construct a new light saber for ROTJ. It was a deleted scene from ROTJ and Vader mentions it before they go up to see the emperor.

Oh wow. Had no idea.

 

[JobenNC]

Nope.

Rogue One is about

Spoiler

the Rebel crew who stole the Deathstar plans that Leia has in ANH.

If that team consists of "many Bothans" we already know how it ends.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Especially as his dialogue to Han seems to be about him turning back to the light, only at the end do you realise what he was really talking about.

I liked that whole scene, although I did think it dragged on WAY too long, but I thought it was fairly obvious from the start what he was talking about. I'm pretty sure he either talked to the new Emperor or the mask of Vader about having the strength to do what must be done after he new Han was back into things again.

 

[petethepanda]

Y'all need to watch Brick or one of his Breaking Bad episodes so you can stop equating Rian Johnson with the movie Looper.

...or Brothers Bloom

(It's a very flawed movie but man do I love the hell out of it.)

 

[Mega]

That's the thing I don't understand the need to add complexity to the Stormtroopers, with the prequels they became Clonetroopers and now they are brain-washed babies, why? Why can't they just be goddamn Space Nazis? Again, like you said those Officers sure look like Nazis who truly believe and can we really believe everyone was recruiting through brain washing? I just don't get it. However, I do believe the film glorifies the violence directed against them. The theatre I was in was laughing, along with me, at some of their deaths especially when Chewbacca was blowing them away.

It's hard to compare them to corrupt cops when unlike real life cops who are adults who have to make choices, these Stormtroopers we are led to believe are raised from birth to be soldiers. They are brainwashed to believe in the First Order and if they show any sign of resistance are taken to be reeducated. Tell me, do you think Finn would have turned had he been sent to reeducation? So now I have to think about all those troopers who might have turned but were reeducated and became killer robots again.

I don't know and I don't care about Finn and reeducation because it didn't happen. I moved on with the rest of the story. Apparently you did not and this stormtrooper killing thing affected you in a bizarrely deep manner.

Anyway I feel we're not on the same page. What gave you the idea that all stormtroopers were once kidnapped babies? I think they're a conscripted army and come from all over the place like Empire during the OT era. This was established very early on in Eps IV when Luke willingly wanted to go off to train as a pilot for the Empire, same as Biggs and his other Tatooine friends.

Like a poster said earlier, you seem REALLY wound up and in need of having every single thing explained to your satisfaction. I didn't catch your earlier posts, but I'm guessing you "hated everything." Chill out.

 

[d1rtn4p]

Just saw it. Some random thoughts.

Thought it was very anticlimactic. Kylo came across as pretty whiny also. I was hoping for more of a relentless machine villain , but even his rage fits were corny and laughable.

The first half of the movie was great, but then somewhere around when you find out Kylo is their son, it started to get JJ sloppy.

Snoke looked like some kinda monster from lord of the rings lol.

 

[rekameohs]

Y'all need to watch Brick or one of his Breaking Bad episodes so you can stop equating Rian Johnson with the movie Looper.

It's reasonable since Rian wrote and directed Looper, but only directed Breaking Bad.

But all three of his Breaking Bad episodes have fucking excellent direction; he is a master with a good script.