Dougieflesh
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I wanted Finn to be the main jedi so much pre movie that I was convinced he was going to be. Rey being the most force sensitive was a pleasant surprise for me.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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I wanted Finn to be the main jedi so much pre movie that I was convinced he was going to be. Rey being the most force sensitive was a pleasant surprise for me.
Barkley's Justice
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That, uh, sounds pretty spot-on! Nice job.
Regardless it doesnt really matter how he got there, but they leave some hints. Also people need to stop repeating this "decade" thing. Pretty sure the movie just says its been stolen for a"few years".
Anyways here is a plausible scenrio.
Han gets held up somewhere a few years ago, or the falcon got stolen from him in a tight situation. He no longer has a ship and cant chase after it. Perhaps he was taken prisnor or questioned about his smuggling, or not paying, while the ship was taken from him. The theifs Hyperdrive it to another system land it on a planet or in some base and power it down. Han somehow eacapes or is let go sometime later. He is unable to track it because it is shutdown or the tracking is masked by a base or the planet atmoshpere. I dont know. Evetually Han stops actively looking for it. fast forward, Rey and Fin turn it on, and fly into space. Now Han suddenly gets an active track on it. He hyperdrives to the location immediatly. And the rest is history.
Not too hard to fill that in.
Also I think in SW universe time is just normal in hyperspace, iirc.
I mean, I loved him too but Lucas didn't want another Anakin to be the main successor so they swapped his role with Jacen,
That deleted scene is not canon. Luke has a very clear conversation with his adoptive parents about going to the Imperial Academy to become a pilot like a bunch of his friends did. Regardless of his intentions there and after he leaves, this backs up what I said earlier: not everyone in the Empire nor the First Order was forced into it as a baby. People JOIN in their late teens/early 20s as they wish. The First Order being entirely full of babies forced into fighting and so waah we need to feel bad at Stormtrooper deaths...this is stated NOWHERE. You are making this assumption on your own and it's really just weird of you to go on about it. As I said before, it seems like an army from people from all walks of life. Some forced, some gladly joining as zealots or converts, some possibly a new variety of clones, some kidnapped into labor as various ages, etc.
Why is that bad? Or, am I misreading your posts?
Enter the Dragon Punch
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I imagine after how the Empire fell, they'd teach Stormtroopers a little bit of knowledge in how to use vibro weapons in case they met with a Jedi.
Not to mention Kylo wasn't trying to kill her. He was trying to convince her to join him.
Wait, were you talking about Kylo in that first post? Because it seems there's a Ben Skywalker in the expanded universe, and Kylo's name is Ben Solo.
Confused, I am.
Some people are just stronger with the force naturally, and keep in mind Kylo had a serious wound from taking a direct hit from Chewies Bowcaster just minutes before. That thing is like a long range shotgun in terms of power.
It was just funny as someone who has read a majority of the books.
Kylo Ren wasn't a master, was injured by both Chewie and Finn, was probably at his most crazy and was purposefully not trying to kill Rey.
Rey already had melee experience and tapped in emotional force power-up
In the end neither really "won" anyway.
I don't know why I'm bothering responding since if you need movie magic like this to be grounded you've lost the point and I pity you.
But first on mind control - She started learning it based on what Kylo Ren was doing to her. Luke wasn't able to do it to Jabba the Hutt because Hutt's aren't weak minded, infant incredibly intelligent, and resistant to that ability. Stormtroopers are already brain conditioned humans so their resistance is much lower.
Second, Luke with no experience with a lightsaber was able to deflect laser blasts with it by "feeling" what was happening around him. Rey's force intuition came in there so she could see ahead (unknowingly) and knew to put the Lightsaber at this spot to deflect that attack etc. Lightsaber battles are all about that intuition and Rey was shown to be extremely powerful in her attainment to the force, and like Luke, didn't realize it until pointed out (or in her case self realization against Kylo Ren).
Plus Kylo Ren being injured / being surprised by how strong she was with the force / wanting her to join him / being messed about killing his father.
The guy was banging his wound to experience pain. He was pretty fucked up then.
Yes, I think it's funny they named him Ben because the EU had a Ben already.
Loved. loved. loved the movie.
Really funny, the performances were amazing, the pacing was so damn good.
But there's a few things that really bug me...
The call backs to the originals, oh my god, it felt like watching New Hope again.
How is Rey able to hold her old against Kylo?
Why is Fin so happy go lucky, didn't this dude just escape a place he was held since he was kidnapped as a kid? You would think he'd have a chip on his shoulder.
Phasma DID turn out to be the Boba Fett of Force Awakens lol... just a chrome trooper.
The moment with Han and Kylo was so telegraphed, it lacked any punch.
Really funny, the performances were amazing, the pacing was so damn good.
But there's a few things that really bug me...
The call backs to the originals, oh my god, it felt like watching New Hope again.
How is Rey able to hold her old against Kylo?
Why is Fin so happy go lucky, didn't this dude just escape a place he was held since he was kidnapped as a kid? You would think he'd have a chip on his shoulder.
Phasma DID turn out to be the Boba Fett of Force Awakens lol... just a chrome trooper.
The moment with Han and Kylo was so telegraphed, it lacked any punch.
I don't think Kylo is that powerful - but it's obvious he has some skill, and has spent a considerable amount of time studying and learning to use The Force.
And yet Rey picks up a saber for the first time and kicks his ass? It was terrible.
Ugh.okay I loved this.so many little bit picks with the overarching story and pkit holes that could mostly be filled in later.stuff that I can forgive because this was such a fun move and its not like stuff can't be answered or filled in elsewhere whether in episode 8 or one of the thousands of inevitable eu stories.
But main thing...like does anyone really understand how the starkiller (rolled my eyes so hard at that name at that point.like I love references,but OK come on.) Works? Also we have no real reference for what it's aiming at or the significance of it.
Like OK it eats stars for power.but we saw it do that,and it didn't go dark or destroy the star system doing so...huh? But I can be down with the movie magic of everyone seeing the beams that destroyed like 10 different planets from their planets ground.makes for a cool shot even if it makes no sense.
Also it was introduced at the same time as the new republic so...like oh hey here's this thing and oh its destroyed.there's such a missed opportunity for the foreboding presence and power of the first order by not introducing it early and introducing the new republic to show what's at stake.
I do get why they probably didn't,and that's to stay away from 100% mimicing the OT and not getting into the republic stuff to stay away from the pitfalls of the prequel. But like,you guys are the one who chose the starkiller plot,do it justice.
But OK, this was a fucking great movie,I'm going to nitpick it to death because I love it ultimately it's a story about the characters and them going on a wonderful (delightful,to use jjs word) journey.and they fucking aced that and have me chomping at the bit for more.bring on all the illogical plot elements you want,just keep giving me this grand adventure.
Also,fucking kylo ren man.probably the character I'm most invested in.I want to see him redeemed or killed so bad. Anyone else tear up at him being named Ben too?
But main thing...like does anyone really understand how the starkiller (rolled my eyes so hard at that name at that point.like I love references,but OK come on.) Works? Also we have no real reference for what it's aiming at or the significance of it.
Like OK it eats stars for power.but we saw it do that,and it didn't go dark or destroy the star system doing so...huh? But I can be down with the movie magic of everyone seeing the beams that destroyed like 10 different planets from their planets ground.makes for a cool shot even if it makes no sense.
Also it was introduced at the same time as the new republic so...like oh hey here's this thing and oh its destroyed.there's such a missed opportunity for the foreboding presence and power of the first order by not introducing it early and introducing the new republic to show what's at stake.
I do get why they probably didn't,and that's to stay away from 100% mimicing the OT and not getting into the republic stuff to stay away from the pitfalls of the prequel. But like,you guys are the one who chose the starkiller plot,do it justice.
But OK, this was a fucking great movie,I'm going to nitpick it to death because I love it ultimately it's a story about the characters and them going on a wonderful (delightful,to use jjs word) journey.and they fucking aced that and have me chomping at the bit for more.bring on all the illogical plot elements you want,just keep giving me this grand adventure.
Also,fucking kylo ren man.probably the character I'm most invested in.I want to see him redeemed or killed so bad. Anyone else tear up at him being named Ben too?
Kylo was another Anakin pansy ass bitch throwing tantrums. More annoying than menacing and his voice sounded weird in my theater. Bane all over again.
The gigantic Andy Serkis Gollum-looking supreme leader guy also reallllyy didn't work for me at all. Very bad design and character was just not intriguing
The gigantic Andy Serkis Gollum-looking supreme leader guy also reallllyy didn't work for me at all. Very bad design and character was just not intriguing
Vestal
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Thinking about it, it seems Rei was remembering how to use the force instead of learning it. It appeared that when she found the Lightsaber it woke up something inside her that had remained dormant or suppressed for years. Quiet possibly it was Luke who trained her as a "youngling" and used the Force to suppress her young mind of the force.
Could make the arugment that the scene she saw of Luke touching R2D2 was actually a memory of her training. Gives more credence to the fact that R2D2 woke up a soon as she arrived, he was waiting for her.
Barkley's Justice
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Just got home from the theater. Didn't like it
It felt more like a Marvel movie than a Star Wars movie to me which isn't bad. Just not what I want. Very entertaining and lots of fan service, but it felt like it was trying too hard instead of letting it happen naturally.
OT felt like a perfect balance of drama and fun. The prequels made the mistake of leaning too much towards the drama side and TFA leans too much towards the fun to me.
It certainly wasn't subtle. But it also felt like "how movies are made" now. At least on a blockbuster level.
I agree with you, by the way. But I still enjoyed it. I think the next one by Rian will be slower paced. I have a feeling FA just needed to get a lot setup for the rest to follow.
BronsonLee
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Isn't the whole point of Kylo that he's supposed to be a little bitch Vader wannabe
MHWilliams
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Jacen was my favorite and his fall absolutely soured me on the Expanded Universe.
Spectral Glider
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Kylo's training isn't even complete. Plus, he was injured. And, it was demonstrated early in the film that Rey can fight with hand to hand weapons. And Luke used the ability on Bib Fortuna going into Jabba's palace, it just doesn't work on Jabba.
Serge85
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Really disappointed...
3 movies + 30 years to win the battle against the empire and build a new republic, only to get the new republic destroyed by Death Star 3.0 in episode 7.
Kylo ren what a spoiled sith wannabe lord.
Han's death felt so rushed...he had to die because he had to die because reasons.
My god, the Recycling of A new hope....
Too bad for me I guess...everyone else is aparrently loving the movie very much ( that OT is kinda scary with all the praise)
3 movies + 30 years to win the battle against the empire and build a new republic, only to get the new republic destroyed by Death Star 3.0 in episode 7.
Kylo ren what a spoiled sith wannabe lord.
Han's death felt so rushed...he had to die because he had to die because reasons.
My god, the Recycling of A new hope....
Too bad for me I guess...everyone else is aparrently loving the movie very much ( that OT is kinda scary with all the praise)
Is everyone forgetting that scene where Rey fucked up those two bandits trying to steal BB-8? She's pretty competent in a fight.
And again, Kylo got fucked up with Chewie's crossbow. So he wasn't fighting at 100% power and he wasn't trying to kill her, he was trying to recruit her.
phazedplasma
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ello asty got blowed up
0/10
worst movie ever
0/10
worst movie ever
I wish there was an Imax in this city 😔 , 3d was actually amazing but this theatre, for the the price I should of just watched it in 2d maybe the audio would of been louder
MetroidPrimeRib
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I guess it felt like a less ambitious A New Hope to me? Not spinning its wheels, but def attempting to evoke that movie.
Yeah I think so.
For any Star Wars mega nerds, when Finn first used the lightsaber on that Stormtrooper with the weird shock baton on his arms, how did they clash? Can't lightsabers cut through anything.
Yeah I think so.
For any Star Wars mega nerds, when Finn first used the lightsaber on that Stormtrooper with the weird shock baton on his arms, how did they clash? Can't lightsabers cut through anything.
Wonder what Luke was up to in his time from ROTJ to now - clearly he tried rebuilding the order but that didn't work. I'm interested to see if his role in VIII will be more passive, like Yoda, or someone active that leads the fights like Obi-wan in the original. He seems to be carrying a very deep burden still.
Just gonna post some stream of consciousness thoughts if anyone cares to read!
Overall thought is that I really enjoyed it and will probably see it again at the theatre - but there are a few issues.
I absolutely loved the new characters of Rey, Finn and Poe, and they will guarantee me going to see the new movies day one. In some ways I think they didn't need to throw back to the oldies as much because the new leads were so unexpectedly strong, but I can understand why they did (keeping that link with the OT etc). On the other hand some of the actors really hammed it up - I know he was probably just doing what he was told, but damn Domhnall Gleeson needed to tone it down.
Didn't mind Kylo Ren as a villain, him being Han and Leia's son was a nice unexpected twist for me. Snoke first impression is complete doo-doo though. Hated the very poor quality CG used. Gonna be gross if the whole character is CG in later movies, but it probably will be
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I really liked the pacing and the action scenes, but at times everything just felt a bit "small" - really hard to explain. Just felt small and no environments really stood out, it was all quite "earthy". Again, hard to put my finger on it, but it just didn't quite have that epicness to it. This could develop in the later movies though.
Also felt a lot was missing in terms of the whole universe plot with the Republic and the Order, but I can understand they didn't want to do an info dump. Expecting a LOT of new EU material in that gap.
Didn't mind some of the callbacks, but it definitely got a bit too much when they straight up just used some of the OT stuff again. The Star Killer was pretty stupid, way overpowered and they casually just nuke an entire solar system and no one really bats an eyelid, even the good guys.
I knew killing off one of the characters was gonna happen (as it had in ANH and TPM), but it just missed for me. Just lacked some impact because I don't think we'd seen enough between those two characters. A bit shitty for the character to just plunge into the abyss I thought. But you can tell Ford wanted it, especially with interviews in the leadup with him saying he wished they killed him off in the OT haha.
Overall the strength of the movie was definitely in the new main characters, the humour and the punchiness of the action. It definitely breathed life back into the series and is leagues better than the prequels...but maybe not quite up to any of the originals.
Oh, more Poe please!
Overall thought is that I really enjoyed it and will probably see it again at the theatre - but there are a few issues.
I absolutely loved the new characters of Rey, Finn and Poe, and they will guarantee me going to see the new movies day one. In some ways I think they didn't need to throw back to the oldies as much because the new leads were so unexpectedly strong, but I can understand why they did (keeping that link with the OT etc). On the other hand some of the actors really hammed it up - I know he was probably just doing what he was told, but damn Domhnall Gleeson needed to tone it down.
Didn't mind Kylo Ren as a villain, him being Han and Leia's son was a nice unexpected twist for me. Snoke first impression is complete doo-doo though. Hated the very poor quality CG used. Gonna be gross if the whole character is CG in later movies, but it probably will be
.I really liked the pacing and the action scenes, but at times everything just felt a bit "small" - really hard to explain. Just felt small and no environments really stood out, it was all quite "earthy". Again, hard to put my finger on it, but it just didn't quite have that epicness to it. This could develop in the later movies though.
Also felt a lot was missing in terms of the whole universe plot with the Republic and the Order, but I can understand they didn't want to do an info dump. Expecting a LOT of new EU material in that gap.
Didn't mind some of the callbacks, but it definitely got a bit too much when they straight up just used some of the OT stuff again. The Star Killer was pretty stupid, way overpowered and they casually just nuke an entire solar system and no one really bats an eyelid, even the good guys.
I knew killing off one of the characters was gonna happen (as it had in ANH and TPM), but it just missed for me. Just lacked some impact because I don't think we'd seen enough between those two characters. A bit shitty for the character to just plunge into the abyss I thought. But you can tell Ford wanted it, especially with interviews in the leadup with him saying he wished they killed him off in the OT haha.
Overall the strength of the movie was definitely in the new main characters, the humour and the punchiness of the action. It definitely breathed life back into the series and is leagues better than the prequels...but maybe not quite up to any of the originals.
Oh, more Poe please!
Well Vader was a tragic character who turned into the darkside, and a lackey to the real villain... so Kylo is exactly what Vader was lol.
Hmm, I guess maybe I can buy that, but Kylo is no bandit... kinda took him down with ease after she looked in his eyes.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
lol @ people making excuses for the film regarding Rey's sudden force mastery abilities. Sometimes you just need to accept that the writing is sloppy.
Saying 'but she's incredibly strong with the force' doesn't explain the things the posters you're responding to are complaining about. It's a lazy misstep in an otherwise pretty good film.
Saying 'but she's incredibly strong with the force' doesn't explain the things the posters you're responding to are complaining about. It's a lazy misstep in an otherwise pretty good film.
That and the fact that she lived like ~15+ as a scavenger, it's established early in the film that she knows how to defend herself with stick-type weapons.
Having trained with a staff and sword myself it's not a far leap for someone who has been using a staff to defend themself for many many many years to get a really good grasp on sword work very very quickly.
As for the whole "well Luke took 3 movies to get mind trick status" is a horseshit complaint because he never had an opportunity to use it in the second film and much time passed between ep 5 and 6 (where he mastered the technique). You nailed it perfectly, her resisting Kylo's torture version of the mind trick showed her that she could fight it, overcome it, and even read his mind. Some force users take to learning certain powers more quickly than other people, that's always been a truth within the lore of the Star Wars universe - all it shows is that she is as quick or maybe a little quicker to pick up on using it than Luke was. And what's so blasphemous about that? Anakin was a freakin baby ass kid when he developed extremely heightened reflexes for that pod racing garbage. Children in the jedi order learned a bunch of techniques.
Just came back from the movie, absolutely enjoyed the shit out of it. Zero complaints, I like where this is heading.
Right, but that was also in the third movie after Luke has spent a significant portion of time training with Yoda.
Rey didn't even know what she was doing and it just worked.
They didn't destroy the Republic, just a major star system in it.
I couldn't roll my eyes hard enough at her sudden power up.
Ragnorok64
Member
I kind of wish they had just named him Jacen. Leia and Han barely had any overlap with Obi-Wan so it seems odd for them to name their son after him.
Just a couple of issues I can think of after just seeing it.
1) We still have no idea what the size of the First order vs the Rebublic is and why there's even a need for a Resistance and not just everything under the Republic.
2) Han's death is one of the most telegraphed deaths I think I've seen since this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG82W_UHYGE
3) Rey is one of the Chosen One-iest Chosen Ones ever. She's she's great at like everything she tries.
Just a couple of issues I can think of after just seeing it.
1) We still have no idea what the size of the First order vs the Rebublic is and why there's even a need for a Resistance and not just everything under the Republic.
2) Han's death is one of the most telegraphed deaths I think I've seen since this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG82W_UHYGE
3) Rey is one of the Chosen One-iest Chosen Ones ever. She's she's great at like everything she tries.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Yeah I'm not really sure how to feel about Snoke. First off, his name is Snoke. The fuck? That's almost as bad as Sheev.
boiled goose
good with gravy
It was always a slight influence. Never full on mind control. It was elevated to silly in this movie.
A minor nitpick, but a fair criticism.
I don't know how I feel about this one. I went with my mother and sister who aren't really familiar with the Star Wars franchise at all. I had to give them a very short two minute summary of classic trilogy. They didn't like this one and pointed out a few inconsistencies here and there. It's kind of refreshing. The film was entertaining and had a lot of fan service. It's the same pew pew and 'splosions that Star Trek (and into Darkness) had but works better because it's Star Wars. Anyways. Here it is, all of it. Just my off the cuff impressions:
-Fin and Rey were determined to gas the people boarding the Falcon. The scene prior, they were freaked out about dying of poison gas but when they were concocting a plan to kill the boarding party, they immediately ran over and grabbed the breathing masks from Empire Strikes Back. They seemed to not know who Han or Chewie were either. Rey was like, "Oooh, you're that Han Solo" a bit after the fact. Ren and Finn clearly thought they were being captured by The First Order when the Falcon was disabled.
-So, Han and Chewie had a crew and captured a Star Destroyer? What was the point of those aliens in their brig? Shit, they could have gone full nostalgia and carried Wampas or Rancor. These were like Prometheus level tentacle porn stars.
-Phasma was a tool. There was a lot of hype about a female Stormtrooper. She ends up lowering the shield and ultimately ends up in a trash compactor. Some laughs from people that got the reference. Really thought she'd take more of a stand or lure them into a trap.
-The whole briefing about the Starkiller. They skimmed over the elephant in the room where they were like, "No, no ... this is much worst than a Death Star" and showed a size comparison. The thing was pretty much destroyed the same way as the Death Star.
-How did no one see this massive thing? They surveyed and checked it out fine ... but after they knew about it. Eh.
-Like some others pointed out, I don't understand the relationship between the Republic and the Resistance. There was a very brief allusion to a power vacuum after Return of the Jedi no real backstory there.
-Uh, wouldn't Kylo Ren want C3PO eventually? I mean, Anakin made him. He supposedly plucked Vader's helmet off of Endor and probably a better movie where Stormtroopers get revenge off of their fallen comrades with flamethrowers. Yub yub.
-Yeah, don't know how I feel about Kylo Ren. He kind of went from badass to almost but not really Hayden Christensen levels when he pulled his helmet off. It almost felt like a Robot Chicken skit. I guess the filmmakers wanted to do something a bit different from the original trilogy and not draw out the mystique over two or three movies.
-Han and Leia basically sent their son to boarding school and he turned out to be a dick and Luke is a shit teacher. This movie continues the trend of terrible parenting and abandonment.
-Seeing that Cloud City hallway when Rey touched the Lightsaber was really cool.
-The end had some chills but I thought the silence was awkward. They didn't want to end it just like Empire with the Falcon flying off. Luke was kind of weird. Less badass old Luke and more Hobo Luke. Kind of joked about this in the ride home after the movie:
He's pretty much in retirement and doesn't want to be found. Imagined his line was going to be, "You bought the Falcon and the droids? Why, why would you do that? I made the map puzzle so you wouldn't find me and we'd Where's Waldo this shit for another movie".
-Han Solo was just about as much as a dick to Leia as Indy was to Marion Ravenwood.
-Leia. I don't want to rail on it or pick on Carrie Fisher. She did as well as she could but her performance was really subdued and had no energy.
-Is the Republic just three planets? Got a destruction of Vulcan vibe (from 2009 Star Trek) when everyone spectated it from the planet.
-Space Nazi thing went a bit too far when they rallied before destroying Vulcan.
-Harrison Ford made this film work. He seemed a little less bored than he did in Return of the Jedi. If Han Solo wasn't in the film, we'd have a set of characters with mixed motivations and blatantly wooden acting.
-With so many spies and mercenaries, how did no one suspect of Fin being a double agent or leading ending up them into a trap? Yes, let's listen to this guy who was basically a Stormtrooper an hour ago and grew up with a Borg number designation. He pretty much duped everyone in the room by saying he knew the weakness and he really didn't.
-How did Poe Dameron survive? It's like he got a got a free pass and warp clouded over the First Order attacking Jakku again. Is no one looking for him? I don't understand.
-I didn't like the soundtrack. There was a tempo but never quite hit the cue I was expecting during any particular action sequence. It's great that there's music to make it distinctive from the prequel or original trilogies but I thought there was something about it that was subdued and a bit stale.
-Not sure how the Falcon, Han, Chewie, or the little alien got out of that one planet. Rey went down the stairs and it didn't seem to go down that far. Her and BB8 went down to Luke's lightsaber. Place was leveled and that basement was the only thing that survived. How that little alien got Luke's lightsaber from Bespin is something they're apparently and blatantly saving for the sequel.
-Planet conveniently cracks so Ren and Rey can fight in the sequel.
-Snoke felt Gollum-y. Facial capture performance ... dunno, same vibe. Probably because it's Andy Sirkis and thank IMDB for me knowing that bit ahead of time.
-Never found Rey and Fin's relationship was established enough early on to where she'd even consider running off with him. I was expecting a line like, "Dude, we just met and you're actually a Stormtrooper ... not even a Stormtrooper but the Charlie Kelly of Stormtroopers. Storm Janitor?" ... I think they were trying to do that one bit where Luke asks Vader to come with him in RotJ but it didn't quite pan out. Got the same feeling they were pulling from this same thought with Han and Ren towards the end.
-Kind of call bullshit on Rey's Force powers. It took Luke like three movies to do a Jedi mind trick and it didn't even work on Jabba (but did work on Bib Fortuna). Luke at least learned that bit from Obi-Wan in A New Hope. Rey just kind of said what she wanted three times and it happened. Also, one guard. The other two were on a smoke break ... and she knew where the hell she was going. Even Obi-Wan used R2-D2's map schematic to some extent when wondering around the Death Star.
-Starkiller was basically Death Star 1 + Hoth + Generator from Death Star 2. I mean, kudus to them because it surprisingly worked well. For as massive as this thing was, X-Wings seemed to have no problem circumnavigating it.
-Swear that someone yelled "Jaffa Kree" somewhere in this film. Yeah, it's a Stargate reference.
-Flamethrower Stormtroopers were like there for one scene. Like Phasma, they were more or less trailer fodder.
-Hux wasn't as menacing as Tarkin or as contained as Piett. If advertising didn't make me know about half of the new characters names already, I would have called him General Ginger. Sorry gingers.
-Eh, Finn survived but seriously, he took a lightsaber to the back. It's cool they let him live. Also, is that giant tank from Empire not a thing anymore?
-Finn's change of heart is weird. He suddenly goes PTSD and basically turns on his core beliefs. I guess the blood of a fallen Stormtrooper will change things.
-Lastly, the new CGI little exposition alien who sees eyes and that old guy on Jakku. Old people that just weren't around for any other films that I guess will be explained in one of many other films.
-Fin and Rey were determined to gas the people boarding the Falcon. The scene prior, they were freaked out about dying of poison gas but when they were concocting a plan to kill the boarding party, they immediately ran over and grabbed the breathing masks from Empire Strikes Back. They seemed to not know who Han or Chewie were either. Rey was like, "Oooh, you're that Han Solo" a bit after the fact. Ren and Finn clearly thought they were being captured by The First Order when the Falcon was disabled.
-So, Han and Chewie had a crew and captured a Star Destroyer? What was the point of those aliens in their brig? Shit, they could have gone full nostalgia and carried Wampas or Rancor. These were like Prometheus level tentacle porn stars.
-Phasma was a tool. There was a lot of hype about a female Stormtrooper. She ends up lowering the shield and ultimately ends up in a trash compactor. Some laughs from people that got the reference. Really thought she'd take more of a stand or lure them into a trap.
-The whole briefing about the Starkiller. They skimmed over the elephant in the room where they were like, "No, no ... this is much worst than a Death Star" and showed a size comparison. The thing was pretty much destroyed the same way as the Death Star.
-How did no one see this massive thing? They surveyed and checked it out fine ... but after they knew about it. Eh.
-Like some others pointed out, I don't understand the relationship between the Republic and the Resistance. There was a very brief allusion to a power vacuum after Return of the Jedi no real backstory there.
-Uh, wouldn't Kylo Ren want C3PO eventually? I mean, Anakin made him. He supposedly plucked Vader's helmet off of Endor and probably a better movie where Stormtroopers get revenge off of their fallen comrades with flamethrowers. Yub yub.
-Yeah, don't know how I feel about Kylo Ren. He kind of went from badass to almost but not really Hayden Christensen levels when he pulled his helmet off. It almost felt like a Robot Chicken skit. I guess the filmmakers wanted to do something a bit different from the original trilogy and not draw out the mystique over two or three movies.
-Han and Leia basically sent their son to boarding school and he turned out to be a dick and Luke is a shit teacher. This movie continues the trend of terrible parenting and abandonment.
-Seeing that Cloud City hallway when Rey touched the Lightsaber was really cool.
-The end had some chills but I thought the silence was awkward. They didn't want to end it just like Empire with the Falcon flying off. Luke was kind of weird. Less badass old Luke and more Hobo Luke. Kind of joked about this in the ride home after the movie:
He's pretty much in retirement and doesn't want to be found. Imagined his line was going to be, "You bought the Falcon and the droids? Why, why would you do that? I made the map puzzle so you wouldn't find me and we'd Where's Waldo this shit for another movie".
-Han Solo was just about as much as a dick to Leia as Indy was to Marion Ravenwood.
-Leia. I don't want to rail on it or pick on Carrie Fisher. She did as well as she could but her performance was really subdued and had no energy.
-Is the Republic just three planets? Got a destruction of Vulcan vibe (from 2009 Star Trek) when everyone spectated it from the planet.
-Space Nazi thing went a bit too far when they rallied before destroying Vulcan.
-Harrison Ford made this film work. He seemed a little less bored than he did in Return of the Jedi. If Han Solo wasn't in the film, we'd have a set of characters with mixed motivations and blatantly wooden acting.
-With so many spies and mercenaries, how did no one suspect of Fin being a double agent or leading ending up them into a trap? Yes, let's listen to this guy who was basically a Stormtrooper an hour ago and grew up with a Borg number designation. He pretty much duped everyone in the room by saying he knew the weakness and he really didn't.
-How did Poe Dameron survive? It's like he got a got a free pass and warp clouded over the First Order attacking Jakku again. Is no one looking for him? I don't understand.
-I didn't like the soundtrack. There was a tempo but never quite hit the cue I was expecting during any particular action sequence. It's great that there's music to make it distinctive from the prequel or original trilogies but I thought there was something about it that was subdued and a bit stale.
-Not sure how the Falcon, Han, Chewie, or the little alien got out of that one planet. Rey went down the stairs and it didn't seem to go down that far. Her and BB8 went down to Luke's lightsaber. Place was leveled and that basement was the only thing that survived. How that little alien got Luke's lightsaber from Bespin is something they're apparently and blatantly saving for the sequel.
-Planet conveniently cracks so Ren and Rey can fight in the sequel.
-Snoke felt Gollum-y. Facial capture performance ... dunno, same vibe. Probably because it's Andy Sirkis and thank IMDB for me knowing that bit ahead of time.
-Never found Rey and Fin's relationship was established enough early on to where she'd even consider running off with him. I was expecting a line like, "Dude, we just met and you're actually a Stormtrooper ... not even a Stormtrooper but the Charlie Kelly of Stormtroopers. Storm Janitor?" ... I think they were trying to do that one bit where Luke asks Vader to come with him in RotJ but it didn't quite pan out. Got the same feeling they were pulling from this same thought with Han and Ren towards the end.
-Kind of call bullshit on Rey's Force powers. It took Luke like three movies to do a Jedi mind trick and it didn't even work on Jabba (but did work on Bib Fortuna). Luke at least learned that bit from Obi-Wan in A New Hope. Rey just kind of said what she wanted three times and it happened. Also, one guard. The other two were on a smoke break ... and she knew where the hell she was going. Even Obi-Wan used R2-D2's map schematic to some extent when wondering around the Death Star.
-Starkiller was basically Death Star 1 + Hoth + Generator from Death Star 2. I mean, kudus to them because it surprisingly worked well. For as massive as this thing was, X-Wings seemed to have no problem circumnavigating it.
-Swear that someone yelled "Jaffa Kree" somewhere in this film. Yeah, it's a Stargate reference.
-Flamethrower Stormtroopers were like there for one scene. Like Phasma, they were more or less trailer fodder.
-Hux wasn't as menacing as Tarkin or as contained as Piett. If advertising didn't make me know about half of the new characters names already, I would have called him General Ginger. Sorry gingers.
-Eh, Finn survived but seriously, he took a lightsaber to the back. It's cool they let him live. Also, is that giant tank from Empire not a thing anymore?
-Finn's change of heart is weird. He suddenly goes PTSD and basically turns on his core beliefs. I guess the blood of a fallen Stormtrooper will change things.
-Lastly, the new CGI little exposition alien who sees eyes and that old guy on Jakku. Old people that just weren't around for any other films that I guess will be explained in one of many other films.
CrunchyFrog
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Quite likely. Remember when Ren is interrogating her, he says he knows how she thinks of the ocean and an island (or something like that) and lo and behold she finds Luke in precisely that circumstance at the end. She may have been guided by Luke subconsciously the same way Luke was guided by Obi Wan. I too would prefer that she be a gifted force user completely outside the skywalker line.
Vestal
Junior Member
Like I said in my post, IMO she is remembering how to use it, instead of learning as she goes.
Given how well the movie played out, I have faith in the writing, that all of this was done intentionally as part of a large plot point.
Oh boy! What do you not understand about what I am posting? They make it explicitly clear in the film that they kidnap and brain wash troopers from an early age, how much of the force or brain washed babies we have no idea but we now know at least some of the fighting force comes from them. Additionally, we know from the prequels that some of the fighting force is or was made up of Clone Troopers. Now, in the OT all we seemed to be shown were that they were Space Nazi's who we can assume volunteered or were conscripted. The extra knowledge that Stormtroopers could potentially be brain washed babies along side the "reeducation" bit introduced in this film and the entire arc of Finn's character humanizes Stormtroopers and shows they aren't all evil.
Thus, as I said before, it's hard to revel in their deaths when some of those Troopers are potentially brain washed, kidnapped children, who were never given a name and taught nothing but how to kill.
It is Daniel Craig, according to Entertainment Weekly.
This is a nice theory. I'd better stop reading or I'll get spoiled a year and a half in advance.
Thanks. If this is true, then Snoke must be really powerful because I doubt that sloppy punk Kylo killing a bunch of kids in training is what made Luke go into hiding and force Rey into a state of permanent hiding.
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