But hasn't Snoke presumably been around longer than Palpatine? Snoke is obviously very old...surely he knew Palpatine before he became Darth Sidious...
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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But hasn't Snoke presumably been around longer than Palpatine? Snoke is obviously very old...surely he knew Palpatine before he became Darth Sidious...
It took Luck and Leia a little while.
Yeah, I really hope so. Kylo Ren is way more interesting at the moment. Come to think of it, I think he's the best new character.
I loved it. Didn't notice many real plot holes. Most can be explained by the audience not knowing everything which is totally ok.
The movie felt a bit too packed though. Felt more like two movies cut into one. Never really got a chance to breathe.
I really really liked Kylo.
Oh and Billie Lourd actually had a line! <3
[edit] I don't know why but I absolutely loved the line about Kylo being seduced by the light side....
The movie felt a bit too packed though. Felt more like two movies cut into one. Never really got a chance to breathe.
I really really liked Kylo.
Oh and Billie Lourd actually had a line! <3
[edit] I don't know why but I absolutely loved the line about Kylo being seduced by the light side....
i accidentally saw this today, thinking i had tickets at 8pm on friday instead of thursday (because doesn't that make much more sense?). aside from the earsplitting screech behind us from a pair of 8 year olds at the cue of the star wars theme, the audience was awesome (my brother-in-law told the kids to keep it down and they were really good for the rest of the movie).
my favorite line was 'that's not how the force works!'
the han stuff was coming a mile away (i've seen enough gurren lagann to know where that was headed), but the whole moment worked really well. good tension that built to the first lightsaber fight having some power behind it. the only thing i would have liked was if finn didn't use the lightsaber against kylo, like he gets his ass kicked before anyone brings lightsabers into the equation and then rey decides to take it up. because you had two identical moments of 'oh shit lightsaber fight!' right after another, and rey had a much closer connection to han it seemed.
my favorite line was 'that's not how the force works!'
the han stuff was coming a mile away (i've seen enough gurren lagann to know where that was headed), but the whole moment worked really well. good tension that built to the first lightsaber fight having some power behind it. the only thing i would have liked was if finn didn't use the lightsaber against kylo, like he gets his ass kicked before anyone brings lightsabers into the equation and then rey decides to take it up. because you had two identical moments of 'oh shit lightsaber fight!' right after another, and rey had a much closer connection to han it seemed.
Yeh, shared feelings. We actually thought that the director thought "damn we're at 2 hours we gotta rap this up!" The death star thing didn't need to happen at all. Why couldn't Kylo also beat Rey? You can have the whole story play out the same but Rey needs to train with Luke to beat Kylo and she just barely escapes etc. Much better than Kylo getting his ass absolutely handed to him. I mean, whos the main villian now who can beat Luke Skywalker? Definitely isnt bloody Kylo now is it. We was all hoping he'd be better than Vadar but even the movie openly admits hes scared he isnt as good as him. Phasma was hilarious, we know her as Brienne of fucking tarth from GoT and she hardly appeared. She also released the shields rather too easily and I was anticipating some sort of trap but nope, she released them.
I think 8/10 is the score. Its way above average, but man it has some issues, and almost all of them are in the last 20 minutes.
Ren's focusing so much on her having the force that he doesn't stop to think about anything else. Likely that he's confused, and thinks the force is solely what connects them.
Thinking about it...that helicopter shot was so Un-Star Wars.
It was so damn shaky! Like...why was it there?
#BringBackGeorge!
StormyTheRabbit
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I think the film did a lot more than ANY other Star Wars film to justify The First Order as real people.
Hux's speech genuinely made me believe that they think what they are doing is right and that they simply aren't BAD GUYS.
The whole new Storm Trooper angle actually allows you to borderline sympathize with these bad guys who have always been just cannon fodder. And I appreciated the clones reference.
Hux's speech genuinely made me believe that they think what they are doing is right and that they simply aren't BAD GUYS.
The whole new Storm Trooper angle actually allows you to borderline sympathize with these bad guys who have always been just cannon fodder. And I appreciated the clones reference.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Yes, bring back Lucas for that one scene.
True. Making out didnt trigger anything either, except in lukes pants
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Idle thought: I almost kind of wonder if Rey (if not a Skywalker) is one of Plagueis' continued attempts post-Anakin to develop/breed/create a chosen one with super-high force capabilities.
Honestly feel like there's too much 'family' connection for Rey to be totally unrelated, though it may be somewhat based on the overwhelming similarities to ANH.
That line was great, but it does bring up the point of outside of the stopping of the blaster bolt in the beginning, we don't actually 'see' the force in action outside of a jedi-mind-trick.
Daisy kind of sold the posturing for the mind battle, but there was no real sense/sign of it elsewhere.
Uh....did we listen to the same speech? With the heil-motif salute, the giant red tapestry, etc?
Honestly feel like there's too much 'family' connection for Rey to be totally unrelated, though it may be somewhat based on the overwhelming similarities to ANH.
That line was great, but it does bring up the point of outside of the stopping of the blaster bolt in the beginning, we don't actually 'see' the force in action outside of a jedi-mind-trick.
Daisy kind of sold the posturing for the mind battle, but there was no real sense/sign of it elsewhere.
Uh....did we listen to the same speech? With the heil-motif salute, the giant red tapestry, etc?
Formed from midichlorians.
*dodges tomatoes*
The Force was mostly represented through audio. Every time Ren used Force powers, you got that low rumbling noise, just like when Vader used to choke people out.
My theater reacted loudly, as if shocked. (One woman very aggressively grumbled about, "Lazy writing," just a few rows behind me.)
I was genuinely surprised that you could have a room filled with Star Wars people who don't recognize the basic structure of the hero's journey.
They kind of are two amateurs.
Certainly wasn't expecting Qui-Gon + Ben vs Maul out of the gate .. They need time to grow.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
A few people cried in front of me. So did I.
I also love how fearsome the First Order is. Like, you really don't want to fuck with these guys from this movie. The first Star Wars did a good job of getting you to hate the Empire, but man, these guys ain't gonna be taken down by teddy bears.
It's gut-wrenching to think we'll never get another Luke-Han scene. But given Poe-Finn got that whole Han-Luke relationship in reverse...
A Link to the Past
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Spoilers: Rey is Luke's daughter, and Kylo Ren's half-sister
This is why she was sent away
This is why she was sent away
Yup! Also, the "Tie-Fighters in the Sunset" Shot...why? This ain't Michael Bay.
You think the Nazis walked around going "Hey, we're the bad guys! Let's fuck shit up?"
You still don't get it. All the stuff you mentioned is simple good guys vs bad guys. No grey. No ambiguity.
Solution? Finn is a regular dude who signed up for the Order and once he saw what they were really all about fled. The rest of the Troopers are evil space nazis.
Easy. Done. Doesn't change anything about Finn's character and doesn't make me pause when a starkiller is blow up and wonder how many brainwashed child soldiers were in that explosion.
Darth Karja
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Space Skank #3. Luke spent his time after his father's death going around the galaxy using the force to seduce woman.
I really do think that if They is his daughter, its just a random woman he met.
StormyTheRabbit
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U cray. Loved that shot.
I actually don't remember but I guarantee it was something sbout I 'it's a trap'.
That said, anyone notice 3P0s arm is gold again at the very end?
A Link to the Past
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Maybe they'll write Mara Jade into the new timeline
Or maybe it's Mon Mothma, the only other Star Wars lady (until now)
Or maybe it's Mon Mothma, the only other Star Wars lady (until now)
Some force sensitive user he met and she died during childbirth would be my guess.
Could you hit me with the family tree that makes her his half-sister? That doesn't appear to make any sense unless you mean to imply twincest.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
I mean, the speech's content isn't exactly 'let's all get along'....
That may be true, my theater's audio was pretty shit, lol.
Aww, I liked that shot. And Rey inside the wrecked Star Destroyer / sitting outside that AT-AT, Han confronting Ben on the bridge. I think this film had some nice imagery.
But helicopter shot was bad bad bad
Let's get to it:
The good:
Fin: Having one of the main protagonists be a Stormtrooper turning good who was also a janitor on Starkiller Base? It works. Way better than expected. He is written well and has great chemistry with Rey.
Rey: Love her. She's vulnerable but tough. Naive but smart. She's Solos successor and Lukes in one person. She cares and you instantly care about her. It will be interesting to see, if they really go through with her being Luke's daughter. There is much possibility there with Vaders grandchildren going at each others throat, but it may also fail very easily.
Kilo Ren: He's Hans son, Vaders grandchild and conflicted. It's alluded that he seeks this much power to do something grand, even if we don't know yet what and why. He is overestimating himself and at the same time frightened that he doesn't live up to his own expectations. He's a Vader fanboy in the best sense. His design alludes to Vader, but doesn't copy it. The helmet seems to be his burden and literally of much weight.
He was set up great and I hope he stays for a while.
In short: I really liked most characters. They were well written and set on an interesting path I want to see played out.
Harrison Ford: First time in over 10 years he showed some range and gave a damn. I loved seeing him getting back into the role and he nailed it.
The practical effects: Every time they could have used CGI and used a practical effect instead I wanted to applaud JJ and friends. In the first half of the movie it works really well and immerses you way more than an CGI could have managed.
BB 8: The best update R2D2 could have gotten. He's the same character, but done in a very good way. I'd love to see the making off of this guy. I'm sure some things were insanely hard to figure out in a practical way, but I'm glad this little guy kept rocking back and forth.
The first half of the movie: For me this was perfect Star Wars. Yes, there was this insane coincidence of Han finding the Falcon, but everything else was perfectly set up. The bad guys, especially Ren had a phenomenal introduction. Poe's short journey was fun. The main characters are set up really well and even the excuse for using the Millennium Falcon again made perfect sense.
The Lightsaber fight: It was a really good fight and maybe the best in the movies so far. The raw power approach and the wounded dangerous animal behaviour of Ren really came through. He was powerful and dangerous but not at the height of his abilities. Fin and Ren made the best of the situation they could and even if Rey had the situation a little bit too much under control in the end, I really enjoyed the way this fight played out.
The Bad:
Starkiller Base: Everything about this thing dragged the movie down. It doesn't make much sense from a practical point of view, it's literally the same idea already failed twice for the Empire, it still takes up too much time for introduction and is hokey at best nevertheless. It's destruction doesn't make much sense the way they explained it. And the destruction of the 5 planets was way worse than the destruction of Vulcan in ST:09 - we were just not invested in any of them. We've seen nothing of them. We don't care for them. A simple chase story from a Star Destroyer would have made much more sense.
R2D2/Card stuff: Minor point, but didn't make much sense the way they presented it. The way I understood it, R2 was using his energy for finding or reconstructing the card? And nobody understood what he was doing to the point that C3PO had to explain the plot point to another droid? Not very elegantly solved.
The Chrome Trooper/Plasma: Nicely set up, but badly used. She just took the shields down because some Ex-Trooper points a weapon at her? She cooperates way too easily for such a high rank.
Pandering to nostalgia: I expected high levels of nostalgia, but the way the story was set up, it was a bit too much. They played it a little bit too safe. It was at times just Episode IV retold with sprinkles of V throughout.
So aside form Starkiller Base it's only minor stuff I don't want to nitpick about too much - some things didn't make too much sense, but they fit the atmosphere.
The Ugly:
Snoke: Why CGI? Why use him at all at this point? Because you have to have a imperator like figure? It would have been really interesting with Ren as the highest up, being the tormented characters he is, but oh well.
In the end I liked it. It's not the best Star Wars, that title still belongs to V, but this could become my second favorite one. Depends on the rewatches. And I can't wait for more. That's always a good sign.
The good:
Fin: Having one of the main protagonists be a Stormtrooper turning good who was also a janitor on Starkiller Base? It works. Way better than expected. He is written well and has great chemistry with Rey.
Rey: Love her. She's vulnerable but tough. Naive but smart. She's Solos successor and Lukes in one person. She cares and you instantly care about her. It will be interesting to see, if they really go through with her being Luke's daughter. There is much possibility there with Vaders grandchildren going at each others throat, but it may also fail very easily.
Kilo Ren: He's Hans son, Vaders grandchild and conflicted. It's alluded that he seeks this much power to do something grand, even if we don't know yet what and why. He is overestimating himself and at the same time frightened that he doesn't live up to his own expectations. He's a Vader fanboy in the best sense. His design alludes to Vader, but doesn't copy it. The helmet seems to be his burden and literally of much weight.
He was set up great and I hope he stays for a while.
In short: I really liked most characters. They were well written and set on an interesting path I want to see played out.
Harrison Ford: First time in over 10 years he showed some range and gave a damn. I loved seeing him getting back into the role and he nailed it.
The practical effects: Every time they could have used CGI and used a practical effect instead I wanted to applaud JJ and friends. In the first half of the movie it works really well and immerses you way more than an CGI could have managed.
BB 8: The best update R2D2 could have gotten. He's the same character, but done in a very good way. I'd love to see the making off of this guy. I'm sure some things were insanely hard to figure out in a practical way, but I'm glad this little guy kept rocking back and forth.
The first half of the movie: For me this was perfect Star Wars. Yes, there was this insane coincidence of Han finding the Falcon, but everything else was perfectly set up. The bad guys, especially Ren had a phenomenal introduction. Poe's short journey was fun. The main characters are set up really well and even the excuse for using the Millennium Falcon again made perfect sense.
The Lightsaber fight: It was a really good fight and maybe the best in the movies so far. The raw power approach and the wounded dangerous animal behaviour of Ren really came through. He was powerful and dangerous but not at the height of his abilities. Fin and Ren made the best of the situation they could and even if Rey had the situation a little bit too much under control in the end, I really enjoyed the way this fight played out.
The Bad:
Starkiller Base: Everything about this thing dragged the movie down. It doesn't make much sense from a practical point of view, it's literally the same idea already failed twice for the Empire, it still takes up too much time for introduction and is hokey at best nevertheless. It's destruction doesn't make much sense the way they explained it. And the destruction of the 5 planets was way worse than the destruction of Vulcan in ST:09 - we were just not invested in any of them. We've seen nothing of them. We don't care for them. A simple chase story from a Star Destroyer would have made much more sense.
R2D2/Card stuff: Minor point, but didn't make much sense the way they presented it. The way I understood it, R2 was using his energy for finding or reconstructing the card? And nobody understood what he was doing to the point that C3PO had to explain the plot point to another droid? Not very elegantly solved.
The Chrome Trooper/Plasma: Nicely set up, but badly used. She just took the shields down because some Ex-Trooper points a weapon at her? She cooperates way too easily for such a high rank.
Pandering to nostalgia: I expected high levels of nostalgia, but the way the story was set up, it was a bit too much. They played it a little bit too safe. It was at times just Episode IV retold with sprinkles of V throughout.
So aside form Starkiller Base it's only minor stuff I don't want to nitpick about too much - some things didn't make too much sense, but they fit the atmosphere.
The Ugly:
Snoke: Why CGI? Why use him at all at this point? Because you have to have a imperator like figure? It would have been really interesting with Ren as the highest up, being the tormented characters he is, but oh well.
In the end I liked it. It's not the best Star Wars, that title still belongs to V, but this could become my second favorite one. Depends on the rewatches. And I can't wait for more. That's always a good sign.
A Link to the Past
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Somehow I've always known
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crackhead_bob
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Coming out of the prequels, I really don't have alot to complain about, seeing as how Phantom Menace made a litany of failed attempts at calling back to New Hope and Return of the Jedi. I really loved these performances, and was not bothered with the CGI characters. CGI is now the standard. I can live with that as long as the rest of the film holds up. Jaws worked largely in part because of the performances of the actors in that film. And while Force Awakens didn't reinvent the wheel, it was a call to basics, and a much needed repair to a damaged license. I'm really looking forward to episode viii.
The one rumor that I hope is just that is of the Hayden Christensen returning. That would be counterproductive on so many levels that it would undo the good will that Force Awakens is doing for the franchise. I seriously hope that no one at Disney or Lucasfilm has put any thought into this.
Also, as a somewhat non sequitor, has anyone seen People Vs. George Lucas? I heard that the director had plans to release People Vs George Lucas Episode II at around the time that Force Awakens was being released. I wonder if the film was delayed or dropped altogether. It would have been an interesting followup, charting the fallout stemming from the Disney purchase.
Pattycakes
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What? Helicopter can? I'm confused.
That would absolutely ruin Finn's character, and make him a gigantic idiot.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
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Luke probably blocked out her memories and experience while suppressing her Force powers in order to make her undetectable to the new enemies. Luke did not have full Jedi training before his mentors died and probably knew he would get stomped by Snoke, leaving Rey to die easily.
D.Lo
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Hopefully he does 9 as well in the end instead of Jurassic Moron.
Pattycakes
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Oh. Now I get it. Thanks.
Han dying did. Multiple times.
Gunslinger
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Just got back. Final rating 5/10. The music was forgettable, pacing was horrible, super sayian Rey, no explanation on how Rey can do Jedi mind trick or how she knows about mind trick, super rushed trench run, snoke feels forced nowhere near as intimating as emperor. I don't know how is this getting so good reviews its on par with phantom menace, or attack of the clones. Revenge is much better than this. Doesn't even come close to the originals. At least the writing was all right thanks to Lawrence kasadan.
This movie just makes me upset that Harrison Ford phoned in so many of his most recent roles because we can clearly see from this movie that when he gives a shit, he's still one of the most charismatic and likable actors you'll ever see on film.
It's going to be a tragedy whenever Ford succumbs to death for real
It's going to be a tragedy whenever Ford succumbs to death for real
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