[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Some things I didn't understand or that I didn't like:

Is the base able to fire across the universe or does it have to be in the same star system
(I assume its the later but this wasn't clear to me to be honest)?

Did they destroy Coruscant?

When they suck out a sun, why doesn't everybody freeze to death on the starkiller base? And why do they have to bother destroying a planet when they're able to destroy the systems sun?
A 'Star'system without a star is so screwed up on so many levels, like what is holding the star system together now? I assume that every planet would just drift into space and that the population would just freeze to death.

Why does Rey know about the jedi mind trick?

How does Rey know how to fly a ship? I understand that she is good at it because of superior reflexes and being force sensitive, but the force doesn't teach how to operate machines.

Why was Rey able to beat Ren? The Force now teaches you how to use a Lightsaber? That's weird. The Force was never about LS fighting (and I know that he was injured).

Fin using a Lightsaber. I always assumed that a non force sensitive person would cut himself to pieces. Also he was also able to get some hits on Ren but he was without a chance against a Stormtrooper?

The Han and Fin 'lets run around the starkiller base' segment was cut very strangely, they seemed to teleport around the base.

Hyperspace flight seems a lot faster now. When flying from Tatooine to Andor in EP4 they had plenty of time to sit around and do stuff. Now Rey just flies into uncharted territory in a couple of seconds.

The new music was forgettable.

Very sadly, Phasma was unnecessary to the story and did nothing (they could capture any high ranking officer to lower the shield).

I tried to like EP1 and every time I found something good or a cool scene all the bad stuff just overshadowed it. EP7 is literally the opposite for me. There are some things I didn't like but overall there was so much fun and great stuff in it, the characters were good and likeable, Han was outstanding and the moment he touched Bens face broke my heart. Maybe the most heartbreaking moment in Star Wars.

8/10 I did like it a lot.

EP5>EP4=EP7>EP6>EP3>EP2=EP1
 
I don't know why Luke would leave Rey behind assuming she's the same age as Kylo. He would turn to the dark side later on in her life. I could see him leaving a kid behind after.
 
longdi said:
Was the one flying the tie fighter during the Rey falcon chase also phasma? I swear I saw the storm trooper armor as chrome colored.
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No, they wear black stormtrooper pilot gear. The two giving chase got shot down and looked to have died in horrible crashes.

Did anyone notice that robot in the new cantina that looked like the Fritz Lang/Metropolis female robot?
 
brandonh83 said:
It was being alluded to before, like when Leia asks him to bring him back and he had this look on his face that clearly spelled tragedy ahead. So I think they were clearly trying to work people up to it rather than making it shocking. I actually kind of appreciated that the big moments were handled like they were, like how him being Han's son was just casually brought up in a conversation instead of playing it out like a massive twist which they easily could've did. Same for his death I feel, they relied on the story more than shock value.
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Didn't think of it at all in that manner, that's actually a really great point to bring up, thanks!
 
Thoraxes said:
Because they destroyed the thing that helped keep the siphoned star in reserve to use as a weapon. Without that energy being able to be contained, it ultimately swallowed up all that was left. The star just returned to its natural, volatile state.
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uh huh

I guess that makes sense! lol
 
TheKaeptain said:
I'm going to bet Ben was the star student at the academy then Rey started getting more powerful and he just couldn't take being shown up by his younger cousin that is also a girl. It would make the whole being like Vader obsession even deeper and crazier because he thinks he deserves it because he's a man.
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Or maybe because of the Force, gender could have literally nothing to do with it. Jesus Christ.

#TeamNotLuke'sDaughter
 
Schadenfreude said:
I meant that the writers didnt have to create an elaborate character with a name and different costume and a big actress just for that purpose. Literally could have been "Slightly More Adorned Trooper #1". Which is, I guess, what Phasma was.
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When entering the auditorium, the usher presented me with 4 options for 3d glasses. Stormtrooper, Kylo Ren, BB8, and Phasma.

Maybe she was just for marketing/toys. If so, she will surely be in the next one. Got to sell that merch.

I chose Ren, BTW.
 
ISee said:
Some things I didn't understand or that I didn't like:

Is the base able to fire across the universe or does it have to be in the same star system
(I assume its the later but this wasn't clear to me to be honest)?

Did they destroy Coruscant?

When they suck out a sun, why doesn't everybody freeze to death on the starkiller base? And why do they have to bother destroying a planet when they're able to destroy the systems sun?
A 'Star'system without a star is so screwed up on so many levels, like what is holding the star system together now? I assume that every planet would just drift into space and that the population would just freeze to death.

Why does Rey know about the jedi mind trick?

How does Rey know how to fly a ship? I understand that she is good at it because of superior reflexes and being force sensitive, but the force doesn't teach how to operate machines.

Why was Rey able to beat Ren? The Force now teaches you how to use a Lightsaber? That's weird. The Force was never about LS fighting (and I know that he was injured).

Fin using a Lightsaber. I always assumed that a non force sensitive person would cut himself to pieces. Also he was also able to get some hits on Ren but he was without a chance against a Stormtrooper?

The Han and Fin 'lets run around the starkiller base' segment was cut very strangely, they seemed to teleport around the base.

Hyperspace flight seems a lot faster now. When flying from Tatooine to Andor in EP4 they had plenty of time to sit around and do stuff. Now Rey just flies into uncharted territory in a couple of seconds.

The new music was forgettable.

Very sadly, Phasma was unnecessary to the story and did nothing (they could capture any high ranking officer to lower the shield).

I tried to like EP1 and every time I found something good or a cool scene all the bad stuff just overshadowed it. EP7 is literally the opposite for me. There are some things I didn't like but overall there was so much fun and great stuff in it, the characters were good and likeable, Han was outstanding and the moment he touched Bens face broke my heart. Maybe the most heartbreaking moment in Star Wars.

8/10 I did like it a lot.

EP5>EP4=EP7>EP6>EP3>EP2=EP1
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Chewie wounded Ren before the fight
 
Just got back from my showing, and I really enjoyed this film. Been a pretty casual Star Wars fan for a long time, honestly got into the series more through games like Pod Racer and Kotor, than the movies themselves.

This movie was fun as hell. The only real complaints I have are that Finn was not force sensitive--lovely red herring lol--, and that there were several plot points like Han Solo's death that felt extremely predictable. Still, I really enjoyed these new characters. John Boyega as Finn was incredibly entertaining. Daisey Ridley was great. The new droid was cool. And Keylo Ren . . . I actually really like what was done with this guy. Keylo Ren up until he takes his face-mask off is an extremely intimidating character, who possesses an aura of menace and badassery. After that, it's hard to not look at Kylo Ren as something of a petulant child or bitch. But I actually like that this was a man who is actively resisting the light, resisting his true nature. And he's struggling hard. Keylo Ren becomes more vulnerable upon taking off the mask. More human and a lot less badass, but I found him far more compelling. I actually really want to see the progression of this character. After he completes his training, will be more like the juggernaut of the darkside he perceived Vader to be? Or is he just too inclined to the light? Very interested to see what happens going forward, movie really just felt like good setup.
 
ISee said:
Did they destroy Coruscant?

When they suck out a sun, why doesn't everybody freeze to death on the starkiller base? And why do they have to bother destroying a planet when they're able to destroy the systems sun?
A 'Star'system without a star is so screwed up on so many levels, like what is holding the star system together now? I assume that every planet would just drift into space and that the population would just freeze to death.

Why does Rey know about the jedi mind trick?

How does Rey know how to fly a ship? I understand that she is good at it because of superior reflexes and being force sensitive, but the force doesn't teach how to operate machines.

Why was Rey able to beat Ren? The Force now teaches you how to use a Lightsaber? That's weird. The Force was never about LS fighting (and I know that he was injured).

Fin using a Lightsaber. I always assumed that a non force sensitive person would cut himself to pieces. Also he was also able to get some hits on Ren but he was without a chance against a Stormtrooper?

EP5>EP4=EP7>EP6>EP3>EP2=EP1
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1: No, they mention the planet's name (I forget what it was)

The rest: space magic
 
brandonh83 said:
It was being alluded to before, like when Leia asks him to bring him back and he had this look on his face that clearly spelled tragedy ahead. So I think they were clearly trying to work people up to it rather than making it shocking. I actually kind of appreciated that the big moments were handled like they were, like how him being Han's son was just casually brought up in a conversation instead of playing it out like a massive twist which they easily could've did. Same for his death I feel, they relied on the story more than shock value.
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absolutely. his death was earned. And still in that scene there was a glimmer of hope that Kylo would see the light side. His phrasing was spectacular too as the pain he was feeling was the good part of himself and that conflict was so painful that he found the horror of killing it and his father easier to embrace than the pain of caring.
 
No one is talking about the Stormtrooper's ELECTRIFIED HINGED BATON? That shit was the coolest weapon in the film that wasn't a lightsaber.
 
half a moon said:
I don't know why Luke would leave Rey behind assuming she's the same age as Kylo. He would turn to the dark side later on in her life. I could see him leaving a kid behind after.
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He was going to look for something and it would be too dangerous to drag a child with him? Her connection to the force was cut off because of the trauma she experienced when Kylo killed everyone? Tons of reason to leave her.
 
v0yce said:
You're really all over the place. I'm not hung up on it. It was a such a minor mention it makes me wonder why they would even put it in there.

And obviously if I thought it was out of place here I wouldn't want the next film to dwell on it. In you're attempts to insult or whatever, your just starting to ramble.
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My attempts to insult? You're the one who has twice now attempted to belittle me for a passing guess/idea I had regarding Rey, in a thread full of speculation for the future films, all just to put me down for suggesting that you and foxtrot were overreacting regarding stormtrooper origins -- a minor point practically no one else here is discussing or seems concerned with. I don't like "going" after anyone, but you seemed to have no problem starting this first and I indulged you with my last post attack your plot ideas.
 
Skux said:
No one is talking about the Stormtrooper's ELECTRIFIED HINGED BATON? That shit was the coolest weapon in the film that wasn't a lightsaber.
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Thought the dude was going to pull out a vibroblade, then I saw the weapon . . .

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Then I was like, yoooooo. This guy is doing work with this thing!
 
TheKaeptain said:
He was going to look for something and it would be too dangerous to drag a child with him? Her connection to the force was cut off because of the trauma she experienced when Kylo killed everyone? Tons of reason to leave her.
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Why not leave her with Han and Leia?

I guess I can't assume she was too young to be left before Kylo turned. Makes sense to leave her after.
 
Just got back. I work early so I can't really get into it. Basically it had a laundry list of positive qualities, but it was sorta crap?
 
a916 said:
Yeah... but even more useless and with an even more smaller role.

There's so many characters to focus on, adding a 4th to the evil side would be a waste of camera.
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It'll be interesting to see how she develops as it goes. Hopefully they have more planned for her.

Schadenfreude said:
You shut your dirty mouth.
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I love Boba Fett as much as the next guy, but c'mon. He was shit until his legend crawled out of the Sarlacc Pit.
 
Any speculation as to how maz got hold of luke light saber? Why was she so secretive?

I think this movie could be 3 hours long and put more lore into it. A lot of questions purposedly left unanswered.

Felt a little too action heavy and Disney wanting to cash grab on the spin offs and extended universe ala MCU..
 
Xamdou said:
Seems to me Rey is Luke's daughter, I mean she can do it all. She is an awesome mechanic, pilot and an even more gifted in the ways of the force than Ani and Luke at least initially.

In terms of force powers she used during film:

1. Reject some of Kylo's mind reading and was able to read his fear of not being as powerful as vader.

2. Use jedi mind trick on that one Stormtrooper after three tries.

3. She was obviously less skilled in lightsaber combat compared to Kylo but after using a very fast "Battle Meditation" it seemed to me like she downloaded all Kylo's previous moves and straight up destroyed him.

4. She can use the force to see the future after grabbing Luke's lightsaber.
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There's a line of dialogue in there to explicitly say she's not. (stop looking towards your former family and look towards your future one or something.) Spiritual heir, but not literal.
 
It'd be pretty damn sweet if Rey was like the outcast from Knights 2. She basically steals the force from others and that could explain why Kylo was suddenly so powerless against her when she started to level up. She was basically siphoning his force.

Could also explain why she was abandoned on Jakku? Maybe Luke did it so she'd just die there and not damage the force any more than she already had?

Probably not and reading it back, that sound pretty lame. Still, would love to see a character pop up in the movies at some point.
 
Brerlappin said:
Yeah, i thought that immediately too!
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I noticed it too.

Miles Quaritch said:
It'd be pretty damn sweet if Rey was like the outcast from Knights 2. She basically steals the force from others and that could explain why Kylo was suddenly so powerless against her when she started to level up. She was basically siphoning his force.

Could also explain why she was abandoned on Jakku? Maybe Luke did it so she'd just die there and not damage the force any more than she already had?

Probably not and reading it back, that sound pretty lame. Still, would love to see a character pop up in the movies at some point.
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I have a feeling Snoke is going to try and steal Kylo's power.
 
The morning after the night before. The more I think about it the more disappointed I think I am. I enjoyed it last night. and it's brilliantly executed*, but it's just a bit lacking something new.

It's a good film, it's a good Star Wars film, but I think I wanted something a bit more than a new hope redux; it's a such a rich galaxy filled with endless potential so why tell almost the exact same story again? A Father/son having it out on a walkway, a droid with information vital to the survival of the rebellion found by stargazing youth (with hitherto untapped mystical powers) on a sandy planet, rookie gunner taking out two TIE-fighters from the Falcon after navigating through tight spaces, another massive planet destroying super weapon exploding in the nick of time thanks to an achilles heel exploited by X-Wings again after someone destroying a shield generator (essentially). The death of the main characters mentor at the hand of the villain.

Everything else about it bar the story is great, but the reliance on such similar beats and situations is just so fucking lazy. And we're almost certainly going to have Luke as Rey's Yoda in the next film.


*bar one thing. Probably the most surprising thing to me. It might have been the sound in the Imax, but I thought It was the worst of the 7 thus far in terms of soundtrack. Just something about the Star Wars feel wasn't right. It was the soundtrack. The film was too noisy and the music made little to no impact. Even in the prequels they nailed the soundtrack. There were moments where it was perfect like when Rey got the lightsaber.
 
longdi said:
Any speculation as to how maz got hold of luke light saber? Why was she so secretive?
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We have a couple of movies worth of time to find out. She said it's a story for another time. Needless to say, there appears to be a reason. Let's look forward to answers to questions.

Kagari said:
Phasma hyped up for nothing.
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Indeed. I just assumed it wasn't her time to shine yet. And that her time will come. She's certainly not dead.
 
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