Moff
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I still don't understand what made you so upset in the first place
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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I still don't understand what made you so upset in the first place
SporeCrawler
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so does anybody think that Finn will also become a full jedi ?
half a moon
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Lol. If you type in kylo ren into google it auto populates kills han solo.
i second this. (knowing people who liked it who most likely haven't seen the original trilogy more than once)
It's a very simple hero's journey story.
I don't think I really get this complaint. Yes, she was very powerful, but that was already shown beforehand.
She also didn't know what she was doing, was frightened and only reacting in the fight - Kylo mentioning the force had her calming down, focusing and letting the force guide her while Kylo is more of a guy bringing the force under his control instead of the other way around...
It's not done flawless, but this wasn't a Dragonball Powerup - at least to me.
robertsan21
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it will be a longer wait due to Rouge One release in December 16th 2016. Im fine with that as we do get another starwars film in December.
Warwick doesn't have the arm or leg length to be that one, I could be wrong but I don't think it's him.
Here, I used a random generator to create 10 8-letter sequences just now:
cnnikwat vhbvuyls tphuxswh qltalskz xbicoufk emasftkg hbzebusx caekrevk rkfhhzyh mebmwflm
I like Caekrevk. That would have been a better name.
tattooed_dwarf
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Oh, I didn't think about that... Now I'm down..
SporeCrawler
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I think Kylo will be redeemed. corruption and redemption is kind of the overarching theme of starwars really.
I think he believed that he might convince kylo. It looked like he would succeed to.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
You think we could get a double switch? Rey switches to the dark side, Ren to the light? I mean, if Rey was left on that shitty planet by Luke, surely that's something Snoke could work with.
At least it's not like the previous trilogies, which were three years apart.
Jack Remington
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Kylo had been shot like two minutes prior. You try sword fighting with half your quadricep fried. Dude probably would have won easily otherwise. He was very clearly staggering through both fights, counting on force of will to get him through. Basically every move he made was off balance.
Shuggananas
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People would have shat on the movie so hard if they didn't even show Luke
No, that hand shot with R2 doesn't count
Marty Chinn
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That'd be a nice twist.
There needed to be some sort of payoff after Han's death. The movie was much too bleak as it is.
CD'S BAR
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And hearing 70 year old harrison ford and carrie fisher speak it to each other casually in straight-faced conversation doesn't do it any favors. I could see if they were going to make him look like a snake, but...
Dreams-Visions
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I don't think so. I think the point at the end was to make him irredeemable. He was shaking as he made his choice, but he made it and committed to the other side. He sealed his vows in the blood of his father, the hero. After killing all of Luke's students and countless others in the run up to the events in the film. His journey is more complete than Vader's ever was.
And I might add he appears stronger than Vader ever was. Even Vader failed the test of killing his own. Twice he tried could have killed Luke and refused. Kylo needed only one opportunity to do what Vader never could. And he will in turn rise higher than Vader ever could have. Ryn and Luke will have their work cut out for them.
eot
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I don't think it felt that bleak
No. I would have been upset if we didn't see him.
Having to establish she meets Luke right at the start of the next movie would've been a little weird, imo.
Doing it at the end of this movie allows them to probably advance time a little better, and gave a really good payoff to the end of the movie.
Norwegian_Imposter
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But Vader killed all the jedi initaites
Blue Ninja
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Yeah, not sure if Kylo is ever going to be able to redeem himself after this. He might want to kill Snoke, sure, but it won't be to save anyone he cares about since he's crossed that line already.
If Rey isn't related to the Skywalkers, this movie trilogy might actually be about how their dynasty ends.
If Rey isn't related to the Skywalkers, this movie trilogy might actually be about how their dynasty ends.
Spiritreaver
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That Finn and Poe bromance though. Loved every second they were together.
So I saw it yesterday and I loved it. It was awesome. I don´t think I will ever be able to watch the new trilogy ever again after this movie. So my thoughts:
The old cast were really awesome. I liked how well they worked in this movie and it felt so natural having them there in this new movie.
The new cast. I liked them. I think Poe was my favorite, even though he had little screen time. It really shows how good of an actor Oscar Isaac is. He brings so much charisma when ever he has a scene. He had such a good chemistry with Finn.
Finn´s best strength was how well he was able to interact with everybody. It´s like he felt kinda boring alone, but together with everyone else was very good. As for Rey, she also seems like a interesting character who seem to have a lot of interesting backstory to explore.
The bad guys were pretty good. I liked Kylo I think he could become a even better villain than Vader. General Hux was alright as well. Not sold on Snoke.
Overall like many said it had a lot of similarities to A New Hope, which I agree with and liked. It´s like a new circle is about to begin with a similar beginning (Finn being the new Han and Rey the new Luke) but hopefully a bit different middle and end.
What I expect for ep VIII is that we will be following two stories (similar to ep 5) with Finn with his bro Poe fighting with the Resistance and Rey and Luke doing jedi things.
IMO, the weakest part of the movie. Kind of forgettable.
The old cast were really awesome. I liked how well they worked in this movie and it felt so natural having them there in this new movie.
The new cast. I liked them. I think Poe was my favorite, even though he had little screen time. It really shows how good of an actor Oscar Isaac is. He brings so much charisma when ever he has a scene. He had such a good chemistry with Finn.
Finn´s best strength was how well he was able to interact with everybody. It´s like he felt kinda boring alone, but together with everyone else was very good. As for Rey, she also seems like a interesting character who seem to have a lot of interesting backstory to explore.
The bad guys were pretty good. I liked Kylo I think he could become a even better villain than Vader. General Hux was alright as well. Not sold on Snoke.
Overall like many said it had a lot of similarities to A New Hope, which I agree with and liked. It´s like a new circle is about to begin with a similar beginning (Finn being the new Han and Rey the new Luke) but hopefully a bit different middle and end.
What I expect for ep VIII is that we will be following two stories (similar to ep 5) with Finn with his bro Poe fighting with the Resistance and Rey and Luke doing jedi things.
IMO, the weakest part of the movie. Kind of forgettable.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I think having some dialogue between Ren and Luke would have been better. I was completely expecting the "You have that power too" speech, and was a bit deflated that we didn't get it.
man not going to lie I was hoping that Luke was actually going to appear a little sooner like saving Rey from Kylo instead of Rey just beating Kylo's ass. Then not even having Luke do a full saber fight but do save her and appear on the planet.
I was disappointed in the Luke reveal. Glorious scenery.
and was that called Planet Jakku? or was that Tatooine that Rey was left upon.
I was disappointed in the Luke reveal. Glorious scenery.
and was that called Planet Jakku? or was that Tatooine that Rey was left upon.
Dreams-Visions
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and yet Vader couldn't kill his own. he certainly had more light in him in E6 than Kylo has in E7. I'm pretty sure whatever small light Kylo had in him is gone forever now. I could be wrong and his mother could be the unexpected influence that breaks through somehow, but I don't see it happening.
Discotheque
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I think it's the least interesting of his scores in the entire saga. Only the Rey track really stood out to me
Could have been an editing issue though who knows, I haven't heard the soundtrack on its own
Marty Chinn
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I need to listen to it in isolation, but my initial feeling is that it's his weakest effort and that includes the prequels. Nothing stood out about it. No theme was prominent.
SporeCrawler
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I think the biggest question is what happened between luke and ben. It looks like Luke was more of a father figure to Ben than Han (Leia said that she basically gave her son to Luke). It looks like Luke made a grave mistake and Ben betrayed him.
If rey is a skywalker or a former padawan in the new jedi academy it might be that she also remembers some of the details what happened there.
Maybe rey was appointed by Luke to be her successor and Ben was not happy about it (looking at how keen he is on his bloodline?)? Maybe Ben then opposed and betrayed Luke and Luke, who lost against the mutiny, only could leave Rey hidden in a deserted planet?
they made anakin irredeemable too when he killed the little jedi kids and force chocked a pregnant amidala (which ultimately caused her death). but then at the end he did kill darth sidious and was redeemed.
also the reason why darth vader wanted to spare luke was that he was eager to make him a sith.
Spiritreaver
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This is how I felt too. I only noticed Rey's theme really. The force theme was also in every other scene. I can't believe it made it into another ending scene, lol.
I'm not really complaining though. Really enjoyed the music in the final moments.
Jack Remington
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He's more cutthroat than Vader. Power-wise it's no comparison. Even Episode 2 Anakin would have destroyed Finn and Rey.
Saw it yesterday and I really, really liked it. Loved every new character, Kylo Ren was a cool villain (hopefully they won't go the obvious redemption path with him), the comedy was on point and, more importantly, the movie had a great sense of adventure that I associate with Star Wars.
I feel like the biggest fault the movie makes (apart from some weird pacing) is that it sticks to close to the OT. Way too many references and the plot uses pretty much the ANH template. I wish they had done their own thing more instead of having that many references and plot points lifted from the OT.
I still liked it despite of it but I hope the next movies aren't afraid of departing from the OT and just do their thing. I want more new stuff instead of "hey, remember ANH?".
I feel like the biggest fault the movie makes (apart from some weird pacing) is that it sticks to close to the OT. Way too many references and the plot uses pretty much the ANH template. I wish they had done their own thing more instead of having that many references and plot points lifted from the OT.
I still liked it despite of it but I hope the next movies aren't afraid of departing from the OT and just do their thing. I want more new stuff instead of "hey, remember ANH?".
This seems to be the general reaction I'm seeing across the internet. I think the score definitely has some issues and just doesn't deliver on a lot of what we have come to expect from a Star Wars score.
The lack of any distinctive action music is my biggest issue. Second would be the lack of any great themes. Rey's theme is used very well throughout the score, but the core melody isn't all that great. I don't know where it falls compared to all other Star Wars scores yet, but it definitely lacks the character of the previous soundtracks. Still I would put it above the soundtrack for AOTC, excluding the fantastic love theme.
I've read this a couple of times.
We don't know that. She is most likely alive and kicking.
I must say that all of the new characters
Finn, Poe, Rae were absolutely amazingly written and really likeable .
The whole time I was watching them I was like yeah, I could go for a beer and hang out with them.
Also WHY WASN'T THE cantina music put on at somepoint when in the Bar?
Finn, Poe, Rae were absolutely amazingly written and really likeable .
The whole time I was watching them I was like yeah, I could go for a beer and hang out with them.
Also WHY WASN'T THE cantina music put on at somepoint when in the Bar?
Chuckie
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Not only is his name a fail, so is that dumb ass title.
So crap title, crap name, crap cgi design.
OricWindstar
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I thought I was going to like it less the more I thought about it, but it seems the opposite it true. The more I reflect, the more I'm loving it.
Askherserenity
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Really enjoyed the movie and I loved Rey as a character. The interactions between Rey and Ren were 👍👍.
Watched the movie in 70mm IMAX. Best movie theatre experience I've ever had. Those flight scenes made it feel like I was on rollercoaster.
Watched the movie in 70mm IMAX. Best movie theatre experience I've ever had. Those flight scenes made it feel like I was on rollercoaster.
I didn't actually notice the score much when I watched the movie yesterday, it left no impression. I suppose that means it was ok, didn't offend but didn't contain anything new or memorable. Which is unsurprising, given that this is the 7th Star Wars movie of Williams.
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