A.D. Skinner
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There's a lot of things R2 could tell everyone, I guess they just have to ask him first.
Only C3Poo had hisemory wiped. R2 has it all from Naboo onward.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Only C3Poo had hisemory wiped. R2 has it all from Naboo onward.
TangoAlphaLima
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True, true. Maybe he's just trying to avoid spoilers?
My guess is that the Republic tries to remain on peaceful terms with the new order. And the Resistance are the once that see the threat and openly fight them.
The speech by Hux makes it look like the First Order didn't see the Republic as an enemy itself, but are destroying them because they are supporting the Resistance...
The speech by Hux makes it look like the First Order didn't see the Republic as an enemy itself, but are destroying them because they are supporting the Resistance...
Finn's character was kinda pointless. Movie should have focused on Rey and and Poe and dispensed with the intercutting in the beginning. His character really brought nothing to the table other than tagging along and spotty humor
Plus I just wanted to see more Oscar Isaac because he has real charisma and was the most likable actor/character in the movie by far
Plus I just wanted to see more Oscar Isaac because he has real charisma and was the most likable actor/character in the movie by far
I thought that particular line was fine, but there were definitely a few moments where it got really goofy and felt a bit overly modern.
Just a few though, and they were mostly spaced out pretty well. And mostly from Finn.
I think the scene where he is fighting the stormtrooper hand to hand is to set up the idea that the stormtroopers in this edition can fight decently hand to hand.
Salty Catfish
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I assumed that he had probably been given training with the same weapon as that one stormtrooper he fought so this wasn't his first time using a melee weapon. Also, he got his ass kicked both times he fought someone one-on-one so his skills have quite a way to go.
How about "We don't know yet"?
Inferno313
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The Republic was a non-militarisitic government until the Clone Wars, which was the start of the Empire. It's not some huge leap to figure they would've returned to this line of thinking after regaining control, and after a generation of peacetime.
I feel like people think CG automatically looks bad if they know it's CG at all, which seems unfair. You don't watch ESB and not know Yoda is a puppet, for instance, but you don't hear that complaint of "I know it's a puppet, that's bad".
There's a good and a bad way to present it, as long as the CG character feels like they are physically there, they're fine in my book. I didn't like the spinning Final Fantasy tentacle monsters because they didn't feel like they were actually there. Snoke did feel like he was there (even though ironically he literally was not) and the gigantic hologram was such a surreal sight that a slight sense of unreality didn't matter to me. Now if that carries over to when we see him in the flesh, I don't know, but the motion capture helps. Maz felt like she was physically in the scene, for instance (probably because her actress really was), more than CG Yoda did in the prequels.
There's a good and a bad way to present it, as long as the CG character feels like they are physically there, they're fine in my book. I didn't like the spinning Final Fantasy tentacle monsters because they didn't feel like they were actually there. Snoke did feel like he was there (even though ironically he literally was not) and the gigantic hologram was such a surreal sight that a slight sense of unreality didn't matter to me. Now if that carries over to when we see him in the flesh, I don't know, but the motion capture helps. Maz felt like she was physically in the scene, for instance (probably because her actress really was), more than CG Yoda did in the prequels.
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Without Finn you'd have to somehow redo the whole story since he's the one that provides all of the intel.
Salty Catfish
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Yeah, Han calls him Ben in their scene together.
Different writers for each film is no bother, that happened with the OT too, and it's better if they feel like three separate films with different feels to the writing.
Ragnorok64
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If Rey is a Skywalker, which she definitely seems to be, I wonder how the timing works out? This movie apparently takes place 30 years after ROTJ.
Also, according to the wiki, Rey was left on Jakku she was 5.
Kylo didn't seem that old,but he has to be old enough to have lead the destruction of the new Jedi order when Rey was just 5. Assuming the are keeping up the parallelism with ANH, that would have to have been about 13 years ago to make her 18, like Luke was.
So, Kylo would have had to have been born really soon after ROTJ and rebelled against Luke when he was just like 16?
Also, according to the wiki, Rey was left on Jakku she was 5.
Kylo didn't seem that old,but he has to be old enough to have lead the destruction of the new Jedi order when Rey was just 5. Assuming the are keeping up the parallelism with ANH, that would have to have been about 13 years ago to make her 18, like Luke was.
So, Kylo would have had to have been born really soon after ROTJ and rebelled against Luke when he was just like 16?
the cg was real good on snoke but yeah people think they know what they're talking about when really they're fairly clueless.
Moff
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Snoke is definitely not a muun.
however, plagueis was a muun in the old EU that is no longer canon.
we do not have a canon race for plagueis at the moment, as far as I know.
WadiumArcadium
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Kylo Ren's a title like Darth Vader.
Han shouts "BEN" at him when he's walking across the walkway in Starkiller Base.
NekoFever
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There are two more movies to answer questions.
Honestly, movies need less exposition, not more. It's okay to leave some mystery for people to talk about and to answer definitively later, like the original movie did.
Forearm Star
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I thought this as well but then remember that:
1. She was already skilled with a staff weapon so she could have some talents using a sword like object, same goes for Finn since he is a trained warrior. They could be using the light sabers well enough as a sword but not be able to use the force to feel their opponents moves.
2. Rey seemed to have heard quite a bit of the resistance fighters and all their legends. She may have heard stories of Jedi mind tricks and just gave it a shot. Remember she did fail at it in her first few attempts before actually getting the trooper to cooperate.
Agreed, all I really want is for the story to be tight, focused and in the same page.
SporeCrawler
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that would be way too idealistic given the fact that there are remnants of the empire left (in particular the first order) that doesnt give a damn about peace ideals. i would say that it wasnt the military that was the problem of the republic it was the empowerment of the chancellor by the senate that made the republic into the empire.
JimiNutz
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Damn.
Can't wait to see this again tonight. I saw it at midnight after a 10 hour flight home and I was so tired. Think little details like that were missed as a result.
I noticed that, too. Yes, they did that on purpose (digitally) because unlike Ford (and Hamil, it seems now) she really hasn't aged well. She is 14 years younger than Ford.
How bout the character looked like shit regardless of your technical expertise in the field of CGI?
Inferno313
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It seemed to me that The First Order's uprising is a relatively recent development. As if they went into hiding and made a name for themselves in the last 5-10 years.
They also seem to exist mostly in the Outer Rim up until now.
Not to get too heavy, but it seems to most closely parallel what's going on in Syria right now. With ISIS rising up, and the US arming local rebels to combat them.
I imagine the conflict could get much heavier in VIII now that the First Order have made a massive strike on Republic planets.
Flow-Walker
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That's exactly what the canon novels explained happened. Immediately after Endor Mon Mothma reduced the Republic's military by 90%.
One thing I didn't understand about Finns character is if he was raised by the new order from a clearly super early age to be a storm trooper why was he so sassy and jokey? Do they have sass classes in new order academy? Do they teach concepts like "boyfreind" and stuff? I wish he was more awkward and less quippy I guess is what I'm saying
I'm thinking there's more to him... Also he appeared to be a worker-class, and that this had been his first mission.
WadiumArcadium
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More awkward and less quippy sounds like an awful idea. The chemistry between Rey and Finn and the humour that Finn brings to the film are some of the best parts.
Until you realize only one stormtrooper in the whole movie carries a side melee charge weapon, as in its not standard issue, and if by some miracle finn actually got the same training with a weapon like that, if has different stance and movement than a lightsaber so how would they translate to each other
Dash_Riprock
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I refuse to believe that a government that lasted "over a thousand generations" did not have an army of ANY kind, No, a couple thousands celibate monks with laser swords doesn't count. Of all the fucking stupid plotines in AotC, this one was by far the worse.
My guess is that the Republic has a treaty/cease-fire with the First Order and can't officially fight them, hence the Republic-backed Resistance.
boclfon479
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Probably the same reason he never told Luke about anakin. C3PO got his memory wiped, but R2 didn't.
He's a janitor. He straight up admits it to Han. The opening scene was definitely his first combat mission.
They also do drop a line in there about clones vs "recruits" (in the loosest sense of the word) - I do think they are potentially having Finn be much more normal in case they want to set up a "clones" route.
gutter_trash
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Maz looked like shit
Did anybody notice during the scenes with Snoke that the music from Revenge of The Sith where Palpatine is telling the story of Darth Plagueis is playing?
Vanillalite
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Mon Motha says as much in the new EU books that she doesn't want the new Republic to be seen as just a replacement for the Empire, but rather a return to actual Democratic Governance. She also says that means winding down the Rebel forces.
That doesn't mean they have to go away completely though. Think more UN Peacekeeping Forces vs say USA military.
It also doesn't explain the time frame. Sure it's been 30 years, but just like with ESB doesn't mean cause a Death Star got blown up suddenly all of the Empire is just gone after ROTJ. That's why we had things like the Battle of Jakku.
Plus that Death Star Planet thing would take time. I mean if you read the Tarkin novel he's overseasing the first Death Star building process only a few years into the Empire reign. That would mean the Death Planet would have had to be in the works for a while. You telling me the Republic or Like didn't notice that shit?
I liked the movie. It's mostly rehash but I think good setup for future films which will hopefully take the franchise in new and exciting directions. In theory. The new characters were great and the old ones had their moments.
On disc, Williams' score sounded tired but it worked remarkably well in the film, accentuating key emotional scenes (The Starkiller being used, wow) and providing a great deal of menace when Kylo Ren was around. I doubt anyone else could have written a better score. He just doesn't write music the way he did back in the 80s, I think partly because the way films themselves are made have changed. They're so bloody fast-paced that there's no room for the music to breathe.
On disc, Williams' score sounded tired but it worked remarkably well in the film, accentuating key emotional scenes (The Starkiller being used, wow) and providing a great deal of menace when Kylo Ren was around. I doubt anyone else could have written a better score. He just doesn't write music the way he did back in the 80s, I think partly because the way films themselves are made have changed. They're so bloody fast-paced that there's no room for the music to breathe.
Salty Catfish
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Finn got the shit beat out of him twice and his technique was clearly sloppy. It's not like he picked up a lightsaber and instantly turned into Darth Maul.
Also, place me in the "not a Skywalker" camp for Rey. She could still be, but I hope she isn't.
And I don't get the complaints about humor. The OT films have tons of jokes, intentionally and not. This one had some of the finest in the franchise IMO. That thumbs up, the stormtroopers turning the other way when Kylo was throwing a fit...
And I don't get the complaints about humor. The OT films have tons of jokes, intentionally and not. This one had some of the finest in the franchise IMO. That thumbs up, the stormtroopers turning the other way when Kylo was throwing a fit...
I don't know if I've ever reacted to something in a movie the way I reacted to seeing Luke again. I just felt something well up from deep inside, this sense of recognition. I thought Hamill's silent acting was really powerful. So much experience and loss in his face. I felt at that moment he was feeling the death of his best friend resonating through the force, and that you could see its impact on him.
Very powerful for me.
Very powerful for me.
But why did R2 wake up once Rey got to the base?
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JimiNutz
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Yeah wasn't he basically a garbage man/janitor for The First Order? Outside of basic training I don't think he had much combat experience but then why was he sent on his mission in the first place?
Ragnorok64
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This movie is filled with Han Solos.
Finn = Han Solo that tries to run away but come back for his friends.
Poe = Han Solo that's a crack pilot and super lucky
Rey = sucesssor to Han that can fly the Falcon like ace and has the know how to keep it that thing running.
Han Solo = Old Han Solo.
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