The difference now is that the First Order thought perhaps the losses in the OT were because the conscripts weren't raised from birth like the clones were, so they began to seize children at birth and raise them like the clones.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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The difference now is that the First Order thought perhaps the losses in the OT were because the conscripts weren't raised from birth like the clones were, so they began to seize children at birth and raise them like the clones.
entremet
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I have a feeling that Finn was part of Luke's academy too.
It's obvious that Rey is the uber forcer user for this installment of movies, but I wouldn't be surprised if Finn is one as well.
The fact that they had him use a lightsaber twice was very telling.
That's very rare in the movies at least. People just don't use sabers willy nilly without some foreshadowing.
It's obvious that Rey is the uber forcer user for this installment of movies, but I wouldn't be surprised if Finn is one as well.
The fact that they had him use a lightsaber twice was very telling.
That's very rare in the movies at least. People just don't use sabers willy nilly without some foreshadowing.
Yeah. It's nice thing for closest thing to have instead of closed caption on the movie screen which irritates hearing people.
Yeah it's only thing that helped me to see the name of who spoke. I'm really surprised that you guys haven't caught it accurately. I just read it on this spoiler thread to understand more (of things I may have missed)
I just wanted to add to it for you guys for Yoda/Obi-wan debate because it may was too confusing to hear their voice?
DownGrader
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I've never heard this aspect being discussed, but - are there people who watched the film in D-Box force feedback chairs? Because I have to say this was the first time I've felt how they add to the experience - not only by echoing blasters and explosions.
Because every time Kylo Ren used the Force, there was a force feedback (no pun intended), and it was really noticeable even when there were no audio/visual indications of an intense action. This was really awesome during mind reading scenes.
Because every time Kylo Ren used the Force, there was a force feedback (no pun intended), and it was really noticeable even when there were no audio/visual indications of an intense action. This was really awesome during mind reading scenes.
Razgriz-Specter
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Yoda was like the first sentence of that sequence I thought.
Really? Hm. Guess I misinterpreted that. But people saw it as a reaction to something Finn was doing and laughed pretty hard at it.
Considering Anakin got the yellow eyes I'm pretty sure its a sign of the Dark Side. Also Palpatine wasn't a true Sith and he had the yellow eyes.
Less than a decade?
Episode 4 takes place at least 20 years after the Episode 3 where the Jedi's were killed. Episode 7 takes place 30 years after Episode 6. Not to mention 4-6 is almost at least 10 years.
So a half a century has gone by and they forgot about something is not hard to believe. Especially if in the HUGE galaxy, they never saw a Jedi.
To put this in perspective, the last VHS tape was released in 2006. Probably early for most people but those things are considered ancient and it has only been 9 years. Millions of people don't know what a VHS or a floppy disc. So it isn't hard to believe that the Jedi are forgotten.
Jerm411
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True...fair points, I'm probably way reaching for something that isn't there lol...
Yes.
Also, why did the Republic seemingly have no standing army?
Was that really all they were relying on? A small number of X-Wings from the Resistance to keep them safe?
TheKaeptain
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My son cried because Han was one of his favorites but then again the whole theater was in shock and I could hear a lot of people fighting back their whimpering.
Han Solo dying will hit him hard. The movie actually starts pretty dark. Just, keep telling him its not "real" and just a "movie". He''ll be fine.
MadLaughter
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Look guys, it's time to admit who the best character in the movie was.
And that's FN-B4D455. The stormtrooper with the shock saber.
Remember his heatwrenching, betrayed "TRAITOR!!!" How he took out Finn faster than even Kylo Ren did? How he found the strength of will to stand tall as his world was falling apart around him? His loyalty to galactic peace?
And that's FN-B4D455. The stormtrooper with the shock saber.
Remember his heatwrenching, betrayed "TRAITOR!!!" How he took out Finn faster than even Kylo Ren did? How he found the strength of will to stand tall as his world was falling apart around him? His loyalty to galactic peace?
robertsan21
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Yeah thats true, whatever happens Im sure its going to be great. Rey is an awesome character and if its lukes, bens or some random kid im sure its going to be great.
That makes sense.
truth.
But i'm fine with that. Seeing as there were so many new characters, and those who were in the film had just enough time to develop actual character, i don't see how adding yet another villain to the mix would have benefitted the movie. Would have taken away time from the other characters. Would have possibly taken away time from Hux and Ren teasing one another, Ren losing his temper, etc.
I don't mind her being in this movie only to set up the role.
Now we know that there's a named Storm Trooper captain, who already held a grudge over Finn for being one of her troopers who defected. Also, more than ever, because he verbally Halo-teabagged her when he had her at gunpoint.
That woman's gonna be PISSED at Finn. That woman's gonna personally lead the squad who's gonna hunt him down.
That's all we need to know, right now, and i think that's actually plenty.
right now, i don't care much for where she comes from, how she became an officer, what her working hours are ...
Messypandas
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Yeah i too will always see that as a "i'll cut you bitch". BB-8 doesn't trust Finn because he's constantly lied up until that point.
Just pointing out that the prequels Im pretty sure also had those zoom in action shots. They werent really possible with the OT, so saying they're not star wars is like saying any technology post 83 isn't star wars. And then complaining that it's exactly the same as the OT then complaining that the cinematography isn't the same is like, funny, I guess.
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So everyone seems pretty divided on what they liked and didn't like, but we ALL agree that the two bounty hunter teams going after Han while CGI monsters break loose sequence was like weird and unnecessary right? So much stuff glossed over or cut, and THAT stayed in? I remember thinking while watching it that Im so glad that the first act was so bad ass otherwise I'd be so pissed off watching that.
A friend of mine was saying that the Republic completely demilitarized itself in one of the books leading up the this trilogy. It'd be why they were covertly funding the resistance--they got people to accept the Republic once more, having just gotten out from under the yoke of another galaxy-spanning government, because the Republic had no army and thus posed no militaristic threat.
WrenchNinja
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Isn't it odd how Rey's actress got to keep her accent but Finn's actor didn't? Though I guess we've never really heard a stormtrooper with a British accent before.
Without the mask he looks some what innocent which I think his intentional.
Which is interesting considering Star Wars Rebels. Maybe we're seeing the development of Snokes in that...
Yup!! The guy playing him is totally one of The Raid guy.
Those moves are damn impressive.
Darryl M R
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I regret not buying the BB-8 figures, and I never once collected anything.
I really enjoyed the movie. I want to see it again but not in a theater. I want to pause, rewind, skip, etc. I wonder how long will it take to come out on Blu-Ray. I might pick this up digitally -- first movie I would have ever purchase; unless it comes out on Netflix.
Any clue when episode 8 is released?
Once again BB-8 is the reason why the movie was so good.
I really enjoyed the movie. I want to see it again but not in a theater. I want to pause, rewind, skip, etc. I wonder how long will it take to come out on Blu-Ray. I might pick this up digitally -- first movie I would have ever purchase; unless it comes out on Netflix.
Any clue when episode 8 is released?
Once again BB-8 is the reason why the movie was so good.
I really thought his reaction there meant something too.
Seeing the rest of the movie, not sure it panned out. He didn't seem to have a further reaction to her in particular, might have just been angry to hear anything.
Expendable.
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I thought it was mostly a blast. J.J. Abrams directs the heck out of every shot. The structure is a bit too nostalgic for its own good, but these are fantastic new characters.
If one is inclined, here's our spoiler-filled discussion:
The Film Stage Show Ep. 168 - Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Also on iTunes.
If one is inclined, here's our spoiler-filled discussion:
The Film Stage Show Ep. 168 - Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Also on iTunes.
PuppetMaster
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I'm pretty sure Rey has flown before, including those ships that she was running for when the TIEs came. She's probably flown for the crime boss she was selling her salvage to, considering how much she knows about those ships (and her history of maintaining them, including the Falcon).
Also, she out fights (or at least matches) a fobbit who broke after his first combat mission. And Kyli Ren explicitly isn't a Sith Lord. He's powerful in the context of "random blaster armed Rebellion troopers", but against anyone who is reasonably powerful in the Force, and already wounded, there's no reason why he wouldn't be stomped.
The Knighs of Ren are (I think) Dark Jedi's. With Kylo Ren and Snoke being the last survivor of this group. However, I have no doubt that the Sith will make a return. Snoke will claim himself to be a Sith Lord and he'll rename Kylo into Darth <something>.
Hero_of_the_Day
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So, were the Knight of Ren even mentioned in this? I know you saw them in Reys vision, but did anyone else even reference them at all?
brucewaynegretzky
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Did anyone else feel as if the destruction of Coruscant got nowhere near the attention it deserved. Like they mourned Alderaan for like half a movie, but the place where they spent like half the prequel trilogy and was the center of government is just like "Well that's unfortunate...."
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WadiumArcadium
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Yeah, we did. Daniel Craig played the stormtrooper who gets mind tricked by Rey and it sounded British to me.
I was wondering why they chose to go with the American accent for Finn but it actually suited him really well.
That wasn't Coruscant.
Messypandas
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I believe Han mentions them on the bridge.
Jerm411
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Holy shit, didn't even think about that...crazy.
Did Obi Wan have any siblings or has that been talked about any where in the canon?
Not the case I'm sure that guy totally came off as his brother or something lol.
entremet
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What if Finn is a sleeper agent?
Think about it, people are saying that if he was force sensitive the First Order would have found out when they took him as a kid well who's to say they didn't?
All of the stormtroopers have been brainwashed since birth, so why couldn't they brainwash the one strong in the force to infiltrate the resistance? Obviously, only Snoke would know about this.
Think about it, people are saying that if he was force sensitive the First Order would have found out when they took him as a kid well who's to say they didn't?
All of the stormtroopers have been brainwashed since birth, so why couldn't they brainwash the one strong in the force to infiltrate the resistance? Obviously, only Snoke would know about this.
It wasn't Coruscant.
The capitol of the Republic shifts from planet-to-planet after an election.
Finn isn't Force Sensitive. He CAN put up a good fight but that's just logical after years of "intense" training. You'd think that Snoke or Kylo would do something about another Force user close to them who could be turned into an Dark-Side ally? Yet, they don't. Finn is not important to them because he can't use the Force.
At one point I felt that too. The mystique of the character plus the other characters constantly mentioning Luke's disappearance felt like it was an almost obvious solution to both things.
Honestly, he was a better Boba Fett than Phasma.
DownGrader
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Speaking of bowcaster. Is it the first time it was directly and explicitly named in the movies?
more like unrealized potential as opposed to underpowered
onimushroom
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Just watched it for the second time. What a great ride.
The only things I don't like that much are the CG-characters (tavern lady and the new emperor - their design doesn't seem to justify using CG) and the very end with Luke (which seems awkward and drawn out).
The only things I don't like that much are the CG-characters (tavern lady and the new emperor - their design doesn't seem to justify using CG) and the very end with Luke (which seems awkward and drawn out).
Also regarding how fast Rey develops her Force powers. I was pretty okay with it. The movie establishes that she's just naturally very strong with the Force since, with no training what so ever, she manages to resist Ren's powers. Plus, you need to remember that Luke also developed his Force powers decently fast and also did that almost entirely on his own (Luke trained with Obi-Wan and Yoda for a couple of days combined). Sure Luke didn't become that strong that fast, but maybe Rey's more naturally strong with the Force like Anakin was.
That's not what I think will happen, but it's a cool take on it.
people forget that Luke was a very gifted pilot and managed to take out a TIE fighter on his first time ever aiming a gun on the Falcon & that Anakin had unnatural reflexes and was the only human who could pod race.
There's plenty of potential precedent for people using the force (often without knowing it) without any training.
DownGrader
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What's your opinion on the guy behind the counter at Jakku?
Is there anything in canon besides the film that takes place around this time? I know there was the one book that was released to sorta fill in the gaps, but do we have anything else? I want to stay in this universe for a little while longer but it seems like there's nothing plot-wise, just toys and phone cases and all that jazz.
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