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[PuppetMaster]

can't get over how eye-rollingly apopoleptically evil the british commander was. so evil. i wonder if he (the character, I'm sure the actor was well aware) was even vaguely self aware how evil he was

I would have agreed. But Donald Trump exists. Therefore your argument is flawed.

 

[entremet]

I don't get the whole Ren is under-powered belief. He stopped a bolt from Poe's blaster. I've never seen that before. He was able to his the force to interrogate prisoners when Vader had to use a droid to do the same thing to Leia in A New Hope.

After thinking about it, he's not.

-He's clearly still fighting between both light and dark. Killing his father also shook him too.

-He was shot by Chewie's ridiculously powered gun and still managed to fight two comers.

-He was chosen by Snoke personally, showing his potential and his training is still not completed.

 

[Future PhaZe]

I'm pretty sure Rey has flown before, including those ships that she was running for when the TIEs came. She's probably flown for the crime boss she was selling her salvage to, considering how much she knows about those ships (and her history of maintaining them, including the Falcon).

Also, she out fights (or at least matches) a fobbit who broke after his first combat mission. And Kyli Ren explicitly isn't a Sith Lord. He's powerful in the context of "random blaster armed Rebellion troopers", but against anyone who is reasonably powerful in the Force, and already wounded, there's no reason why he wouldn't be stomped.

Agreed except Kylo is extremely powerful in the force. Holding that blaster shot in mid air was next level shit.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Look guys, it's time to admit who the best character in the movie was.

And that's FN-B4D455. The stormtrooper with the shock saber.

Remember his heatwrenching, betrayed "TRAITOR!!!" How he took out Finn faster than even Kylo Ren did? How he found the strength of will to stand tall as his world was falling apart around him? His loyalty to galactic peace?

He was kind of an idiot for throwing down his blaster and sword fighting Finn. Finn's not a Jedi so if he had just shot him there's nothing Finn could have done lol.

 

[Jintor]

Go back and watch the original trilogy with this knowledge, everyone was super space british, on both sides.

edit: the funniest parts are watching Leia randomly forgetting she was space british

that is true i suppose. i'm glad the first order, if still xenophobic, apparently found it within themselves to start hiring professional evil women.

 

[half a moon]

I don't get the whole Ren is under-powered belief. He stopped a bolt from Poe's blaster. I've never seen that before. He was able to his the force to interrogate prisoners when Vader had to use a droid to do the same thing to Leia in A New Hope.

Ren's presentation made him feel more advanced. I also think he's better than Vader as a character. But with training needing to be done maybe he wasn't meant to be stronger in reality.

 

[MadLaughter]

He was kind of an idiot for throwing down his blaster and sword fighting Finn. Finn's not a Jedi so if he had just shot him there's nothing Finn could have done lol.

That's called HONOR. A trait FN-B4D455 has in spades.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Is there anything in canon besides the film that takes place around this time? I know there was the one book that was released to sorta fill in the gaps, but do we have anything else? I want to stay in this universe for a little while longer but it seems like there's nothing plot-wise, just toys and phone cases and all that jazz.

At the moment, no. Aftermath takes place after Jedi but that's still 32 or so years before the film. There are books on the way that are closer to the film though. New Republic Bloodline is one of them.

 

[robertsan21]

Just watched it for the second time. What a great ride.
The only things I don't like that much are the CG-characters (tavern lady and the new emperor - their design doesn't seem to justify using CG) and the very end with Luke (which seems awkward and drawn out).

I agree with Snoke, why would they make him CG? Also his design is horrible. He has the scare from Darth vaders head and looks like the bad guy form Harry potter movies. They could have done so much better

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

It wasn't Coruscant.

The capitol of the Republic shifts from planet-to-planet after an election.

Good to know... But the Republic is effectively defeated at this point right? I'm so confused about the state of things.

 

[Bizazedo]

Look guys, it's time to admit who the best character in the movie was.

And that's FN-B4D455. The stormtrooper with the shock saber.

Remember his heatwrenching, betrayed "TRAITOR!!!" How he took out Finn faster than even Kylo Ren did? How he found the strength of will to stand tall as his world was falling apart around him? His loyalty to galactic peace?

That's great and is now my headcanon.

Yeah i too will always see that as a "i'll cut you bitch". BB-8 doesn't trust Finn because he's constantly lied up until that point.

Our theater also interpreted it as a "I'll cut you bitch" or the middle finger.

 

[DeviantBoi]

Was the old guy at the beginning supposed to be someone the audience knew? Besides being Max von Sydow, of course.

He clearly knew who Kylo was, which means he knew Leia and Han. He had the missing piece of the map, so he knew Luke and Luke must have trusted him greatly to give it to him.

What was he doing in Jakku? Was he hiding? Or was he watching over someone, like Obi-Wan? It might just be a coincidence that he's on the same planet as someone that is not only Force-sensitive but who is also very strong with the Force.

 

[Fliesen]

I don't get the whole Ren is under-powered belief. He stopped a bolt from Poe's blaster. I've never seen that before. He was able to his the force to interrogate prisoners when Vader had to use a droid to do the same thing to Leia in A New Hope.

Vader is only kinda able to read people's feelings, yup.
Vader doesn't stop a blaster bolt, but he simply blocks a few doing the "talk to the hand" gesture. Some might consider that even more badass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHH6YVHGh90

 

[borghe]

Was the old guy at the beginning supposed to be someone the audience knew? Besides being Max von Sydow, of course.

Important, yes. Known to the audience, no. You pick up between that and a mention a little later on that he was familial with Han and Leia's family.

edit - and obviously Luke.

 

[nib95]

He was kind of an idiot for throwing down his blaster and sword fighting Finn. Finn's not a Jedi so if he had just shot him there's nothing Finn could have done lol.

But that's just weak man. He wanted to show him up. Hence that awesome little fight lol.

 

[Ithil]

can't get over how eye-rollingly apopoleptically evil the british commander was. so evil. i wonder if he (the character, I'm sure the actor was well aware) was even vaguely self aware how evil he was

I enjoyed how he just talked shit to Ren and clearly didn't think much of him. Total reversal from the kowtowed officers for Vader.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Just watched it for the second time. What a great ride.
The only things I don't like that much are the CG-characters (tavern lady and the new emperor - their design doesn't seem to justify using CG) and the very end with Luke (which seems awkward and drawn out).

From what we saw, I just didn't understand why Snokes was CGI. He just looked like a dude who was fucked up. Maybe it'll make sense when we actually see him. He is one of my biggest concerns going forward.

 

[Sephzilla]

Vader stopping a blast with his hand > Ren stopping a blast with The Force

Ren's is really cool, don't get me wrong. But Vader's way was straight up "I don't even need the Force to stop this shit"

 

[robertsan21]

He clearly knew who Kylo was, which means he knew Leia and Han. He had the missing piece of the map, so he knew Luke and Luke must have trusted him greatly to give it to him.

What was he doing in Jakku? Was he hiding? Or was he watching over someone, like Obi-Wan? It might just be a coincidence that he's on the same planet as someone that is not only Force-sensitive, but also someone who is so strong with the Force.

He was there to protect Rey? Who is Lukes daughter?

Maybe he was lukes most trusted man and thats why luke gave him the map to give to his daughter once she was ready?

 

[Future PhaZe]

Good to know... But the Republic is effectively defeated at this point right? I'm so confused about the state of things.

I don't think it is actually. The fact that there's some kind of rebellion must mean there's some argument going on regarding the republican leadership.

And it was a wise decision to completely ignore those politics in this film. We're all completely done with it after the prequels.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

He was kind of an idiot for throwing down his blaster and sword fighting Finn. Finn's not a Jedi so if he had just shot him there's nothing Finn could have done lol.

Presume he didn't realise and/or it's standard practice for Stormtroopers to forego blasters against lightsabres because of the reflecting back blaster bolts.

can't get over how eye-rollingly apopoleptically evil the british commander was. so evil. i wonder if he (the character, I'm sure the actor was well aware) was even vaguely self aware how evil he was

irish...

 

[SpaceHorror]

I really liked the movie. Honestly, I feel like I need to see it again to really digest it as I was just sort of in awe to be watching a good Star Wars movie for the first time again. It has been about 23 year for me. I have a few issues with it (pretty much all of them have already been covered in this thread), but the hits easily outweigh the misses.

Too early to rank it among the older films for me, though it's better than the PT by a lot, so it's certainly higher than those abominations. I love all of the OT and have been watching them over and over since I was 6 years old. I've only seen this once and while I know it's a damn good movie, I don't think I can fairly rank it just yet. For now, its:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. The Force Awakens
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. The Phantom Menace
7. Attack of the Clones

 

[Jintor]

i'm just so sad ren has no presence. I love my mysterious cloaked heavy-feeling dudes and this little dark jedi dweeb just doesn't cut it

 

[Messypandas]

Vader stopping a blast with his hand > Ren stopping a blast with The Force

Ren's is really cool, don't get me wrong. But Vader's way was straight up "I don't even need the Force to stop this shit"

https://youtu.be/kDKiQfBs9lo?t=191

 

[border]

Did anyone else feel as if the destruction of Coruscant got nowhere near the attention it deserved. Like they mourned Alderaan for like half a movie, but the place where they spent like half the prequel trilogy and was the center of government is just like "Well that's unfortunate...."

Are we sure that wasn even Coruscanf? Nothing about those shots really established it that well.

RIP Giant monster that runs a diner

 

[half a moon]

Vader stopping a blast with his hand > Ren stopping a blast with The Force

Ren's is really cool, don't get me wrong. But Vader's way was straight up "I don't even need the Force to stop this shit"

Using the force is cooler than your robot arms

 

[Herbs]

I enjoyed how he just talked shit to Ren and clearly didn't think much of him. Total reversal from the kowtowed officers for Vader.

which is why Tarkin was good too. You'd have to be confident in yourself to go toe-to-toe with someone like that.

 

[Waldini]

That's not what I think will happen, but it's a cool take on it.

It COULD happen.

I remember Sidious wanted o get rid of Vader because he was just a shadow of his former self. As Anakin (before the Vader accident happened) he was insanely powerful but over confident. As Darth Vader he was still very powerfull but couldn't use Force Lightning due to the suit. If he did, he'd kill himself. His cybernetics also caused him a great amount of pain all day long.

Don't know if all that is still official canon though.

 

[Cheebo]

i'm just so sad ren has no presence. I love my mysterious cloaked heavy-feeling dudes and this little dark jedi dweeb just doesn't cut it

What you like is not the character they were going for. They wanted a conflicted inexperienced emotional wreck. The complete opposite of someone like Vader. It is refreshing.

 

[rrc1594]

What I'm trying to find out is how does the Skywalker family let history repeat it's self again. Man if I was in SW universe I would tell them you motherfucker can't have kids no more. No more Skywalkers would be a law

 

[DeviantBoi]

He was there to protect Rey? Who is Lukes daughter?

Maybe he was lukes most trusted man and thats why luke gave him the map to give to his daughter once she was ready?

Yeah, odds are that he's there for that.

If so, it would be a bit of a let-down because it's the exact same situation as ANH.

He might be the owner of the hand holding Rey in her vision.

 

[Galava]

If I'm correct, they wipe out the Republic in this one right? They blow up the planet where the new galactic senate and capital is, yet they don't say a thing about it after it gets detroyed.

 

[onimushroom]

What's your opinion on the guy behind the counter at Jakku?

I didn't mind him, probably since he a) wasn't as prominent; b) was less humanoid; c) might have had practical parts).
It's not like the two that I mentioned ruined the movie for me, I just found them distracting.
They didn't really show me why they needed to be CG (besides their size). At times the tavern lady's face and emotions were very well animated, but at times (imo) they weren't.

I agree with Snoke, why would they make him CG? Also his design is horrible. He has the scare from Darth vaders head and looks like the bad guy form Harry potter movies. They could have done so much better

From what we saw, I just didn't understand why Snokes was CGI. He just looked like a dude who was fucked up. Maybe it'll make sense when we actually see him. He is one of my biggest concerns going forward.

I didn't mind the design, but agree that he could have been just an actor in "fucked up" make-up.

 

[Herbs]

What I'm trying to find out is how does the Skywalker family let history repeat it's self again. Man if I was in SW universe I would tell them you motherfucker can't have kids no more. No more Skywalkers would be a law

lol

 

[PuppetMaster]

Before I walked into see the movie there were all these toys and even tshirts portraying the silver captain trooper.

It's pretty hilarious what a chump she turned out to be.

 

[Fliesen]

Vader stopping a blast with his hand > Ren stopping a blast with The Force

Ren's is really cool, don't get me wrong. But Vader's way was straight up "I don't even need the Force to stop this shit"

on the other hand, Ren's force choke is so much better.

doing a force-GET_OVER_HERE followed by an actual choke.

Also, the way he kept losing his shit, smashing stuff. That's some real dark side anger.
Vader barely ever lost his temper, gave in to his rage. The only moments where he at least SOUNDED angry was when they boarded Capt. Antilles' corvette.

beyond that, he's menacing, cruel but super calm.

i dig Kylo Ren's rage.

 

[DeviantBoi]

Are we sure that wasn even Coruscanf? Nothing about those shots really established it that well.

RIP Giant monster that runs a diner

It looked like Coruscant. It was the seat of the Republic even before Palpatine, so I took it to be Coruscant.

 

[Sylas]

If I'm correct, they wipe out the Republic in this one right? They blow up the planet where the new galactic senate and capital is, yet they don't say a thing about it after it gets detroyed.

I think they didn't have any time to say anything. It went directly from that happening to realizing it's probably about to happen to them too, to knowing it's about to happen to them.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

First viewing:

Empire > ANH = TFA >Sith> (but only slightly)Jedi > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TPM >> Clones

Vader stopping a blast with his hand > Ren stopping a blast with The Force

Ren's is really cool, don't get me wrong. But Vader's way was straight up "I don't even need the Force to stop this shit"

Ren gets points because he literally froze the shit for an entire scene until he needed it it to punk Finn.

I've literally never seen someone stop a blaster bolt in mid-air like that across any other Star Wars media.

 

[robertsan21]

Yeah, odds are that he's there for that.

If so, it would be a bit of a let-down because it's the exact same situation as ANH.

He might be the owner of the hand holding Rey in her vision.

yeah but wasnt the entire film like ANH?

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Before I walked into see the movie there were all these toys and even tshirts portraying the silver captain trooper.

It's pretty hilarious what a chump she turned out to be.

Did she die?

If not she could always end up as a bigger presence in later movies.

 

[Jintor]

What you like is not the character they were going for. They wanted a conflicted inexperienced emotional wreck. The complete opposite of someone like Vader. It is refreshing.

yeah, i get that. sure wasn't what they promo'd, but i guess there's more than enough ominous dark duders throughout star wars

 

[emb]

Really? Hm. Guess I misinterpreted that. But people saw it as a reaction to something Finn was doing and laughed pretty hard at it.

Definitely a thumbs up.

It was still just funny because you don't expect it from BB8, you don't think he can express himself with that kind of gesture.

That was my take on it, anyway.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Anakin would have been exactly like Kylo

Only reason Vader was so chill was because damn near everyone he knew was dead

 

[Sephzilla]

What I'm trying to find out is how does the Skywalker family let history repeat it's self again. Man if I was in SW universe I would tell them you motherfucker can't have kids no more. No more Skywalkers would be a law

Skywalkers also seem to have a trend of being a bit overconfident in themselves and a tad stubborn. Luke probably thought he could prevent Kylo Ren from going down the same path as Anakin.

Ren gets points because he literally froze the shit for an entire scene until he needed it it to punk Finn.

I've literally never seen someone stop a blaster bolt in mid-air across any other Star Wars media.

I liked that Ren seemingly forgot he stopped the blast and the blast only resumed its course once Ren actually left the area

 

[Waldini]

Good to know... But the Republic is effectively defeated at this point right? I'm so confused about the state of things.

The Republic, along with it's fleet, have been crippled. Yes. According to some users her Mon Motha cut down the fleet by 90% when the Empire was defeated after the Battle of Endor (or Jakku even).

Still, I don't think that the Republic is done for. Sure, they took a pretty big hit but ... Coruscant is still there.

 

[Shanlei91]

Just pointing out that the prequels Im pretty sure also had those zoom in action shots. They werent really possible with the OT, so saying they're not star wars is like saying any technology post 83 isn't star wars. And then complaining that it's exactly the same as the OT then complaining that the cinematography isn't the same is like, funny, I guess.

The script's beats were similar to a New Hope and some camera angles and directing style was similar to JJ Abrams' previous work. Is that such an insane concept? The Abrams style can be seen in far more than just those zoom out shots. Having seen Into Darkness two days before on a plane didn't help. But there were certain angles and closeups that weren't in any of the SW movies prior.

And it was a wise decision to completely ignore those politics in this film. We're all completely done with it after the prequels.

Amen.

 

[evilr]

Fin should be dead though, he took a lightsaber swipe right down his back. There is no fat there, it's just your spine. It really looked quite deep too.

 

[PuppetMaster]

on the other hand, Ren's force choke is so much better.

doing a force-GET_OVER_HERE followed by an actual choke.

Also, the way he kept losing his shit, smashing stuff. That's some real dark side anger.
Vader barely ever lost his temper, gave in to his rage. The only moments where he at least SOUNDED angry was when they boarded Capt. Antilles' corvette.

beyond that, he's menacing, cruel but super calm.

i dig Kylo Ren's rage.

I LOVED the punching his wound in his side to feed his rage during his LS battle. Great and thoughtful touch.

 

[BronsonLee]

Fin should be dead though, he took a lightsaber swipe right down his back. There is no fat there, it's just your spine. It really looked quite deep too.

Finn can be just like Drake

Started from the bottom, now we here
Started from the bottom, now I'm in a wheelchair