[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Brought my coke cup from the midnight screening and cookies...
My body is ready
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I really hope Rey is neither Ren's sister nor Luke's kid...

That's just lazy and too easy...
They can come up with something more shocking and better.
 
somewhat unimpressed.
i didn't like how it followed the structure of the episode4 almost
character for character, scene for scene.

it starts with the same power balance all over again as if rebels haven't achieved in last trilogy.
why not show power struggles in the new republic, portray sith as hunter became hunted etc.

"it play too safe and by the established rules" is what i'm trying to say i guess.
 
georly said:
We didn't, but you can make that assumption by the teary eyes at the end.

Or they could be teary eyed for other reasons.
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couldn't she have been teary eyed over her realization that the legends were true? it's one thing for han to say "ITS TRUE FAM" but to actually see a living legend is another thing.

i'm not ruling out the "rey is luke's daughter" thing, but to definitively say she is his daughter is kind of... eh.
 
duxstar said:
By the time you build a third world destroying weapon , can we build it without having the entire thing blow up from one section getting destroyed.

That's just bad engineering.
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in fact, it is literally impossible.

build a huge energy weapon, aka weapon that uses energy. If you destabilize what is containing the energy, you destroy the weapon.

think about if you "destabilize" the bullet in a gun (jam), and then ignite the gunpowder. More than likely destroy the gun. It's why the trope is used.. because it's the easiest to make plausible.
 
bananafactory said:
I didn't like how he explicitly had to say "Your father, Han Solo". The name drop was unnecessary.

Simply saying "it's now in the possession of your father" would have sufficed because we know that Finn is obviously not his dad - literally everyone could have still concluded that it was Han.
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Gotta make sure even the dumbest person watching gets it...
 
i'm expecting rey and finn to train together

she's pulled towards the dark, finn to the light

ben is her twin, foresaw the only way to save her was to go full dark

it's like poetry, it limes
 
Jobbs said:
I don't have the exact quote, but didn't the dwarf cartoon woman say "this lightsaber was luke's father's, then lukes, now it calls to you" or something? I mean, isn't that one part pretty blatant on its own?

And then there's film maker stuff. For example, she pulled the lightsaber out of the snow like Luke on Hoth. This is a film maker communicating something. They don't do that randomly. It's not random. So -- What are they communicating?

But, anyway, as I keep saying, even if all this other innuendo and theming doesn't convince you, how do you explain Luke's loaded stare at the end? He recognizes her.
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I think you could look at the saber stuff as a Sword of Destiny sort of thing. It's delivered to Rey by a figurative Lady of the Lake. It's the sword that changed the galaxy each time it was wielded, and it's her turn to take up the weapon. Both literal and figurative.

There aren't any other sabers that have changed the course of the galaxy quite like Anakin's. It's her call to action, her pull to her ultimate destiny as a Savior of the Galaxy.
 
LMAO at Phasma the new Queen of jobbers.

Also, I think a lot of us were hoping for JJ to say "fuck the PT," but I didn't expect him to literally do it(and the EU as well for good measure).
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJlToFZVHM

jubjub is in the movie?

Did anyone catch it? During the cantina maybe?

KingBroly said:
Considering her knowledge of thee Falcon was basically second nature...come on. It's obvious.
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considering that poe knew how to fly a tie fighter despite never flying one... means that most ships in the star wars universe are probably controlled in a similar fashion so a good pilot can very easily figure it out? It means nothing.

Stabby McSter said:
couldn't she have been teary eyed over her realization that the legends were true? it's one thing for han to say "ITS TRUE FAM" but to actually see a living legend is another thing.

i'm not ruling out the "rey is luke's daughter" thing, but to definitively say she is his daughter is kind of... eh.
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Tons of reasons. Yeah. This is like being told a fairy tale is true, but not only that, you're PART of it.

Or he could be her dad.

I'd rather them not be related, more interesting that way. She already has a more interesting backstory that they're alluding to, so I'd like to know more, and I hope it's not as simple as "luke is your dad"
 
duxstar said:
Can we talk about one thing here .

The first time sure I get it.
The second time, ok now we've learned.

By the time you build a third world destroying weapon , can we build it without having the entire thing blow up from one section getting destroyed.

That's just bad engineering.
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I like that the Empire/First Order keeps thinking "bigger = better" with Death Stars when in fact the bigger you make the weapon the more failure prone it likely is. I'm actually fine with the Empire/First Order constantly trying to perfect the planet-killer design because honestly, why scrap a design that is 90% good just because of a bad 10%.
 
mrkgoo said:
"Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope..."

So what if she never really met him, he was an important figure to her adopted family and was a close figure to Luke. How come people find it so difficult to fill in the obvious blanks these days?
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Maybe it's weird to me since I read a tiny bit of the EU and it made more sense for Luke to use the Ben name.

but Leia wasn't that close to Obi-wan.
 
border said:
I think people are rating it as above-average. 7/10.

I think this movie will not age particularly well though, and that the massive parallels to A New Hope will become more tedious to people when they aren't as excited and engaged for Star Wars. Once there's a new Star Wars movie coming out every year and they all (hopefully) have really interesting and creative story beats, The Force Awakens will seem even more like kind of an unnecessary retread.
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You're right. Once the hype of having a new SW movie, especially one that is close to the OT, dies down people will start to dissect the movie and see the flaws that many of us are stating.

It's an average movie, much like Return and Revenge are.
 
Cybit said:
I guess it comes down to Han the Father vs Han the Scoundrel. I wish we had gotten a little more tension along that front.
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Eh, I think that's a pretty unnecessarily delicate tightrope to walk, and at the risk of making Han too unlikeable (which, in the moments just before his death, maybe you don't want to hit on too hardly).

I liked how it was handled because it adds a level of maturity to Han's character; he may be a scoundrel, but he's also an older father now, and making a honest plea to bring his son back felt like real character growth.
 
Jobbs said:
I don't have the exact quote, but didn't the dwarf cartoon woman say "this lightsaber was luke's father's, then lukes, now it calls to you" or something? I mean, isn't that one part pretty blatant on its own?

And then there's film maker stuff. For example, she pulled the lightsaber out of the snow like Luke on Hoth. This is a film maker communicating something. They don't do that randomly. It's not random. So -- What are they communicating?

But, anyway, as I keep saying, even if all this other innuendo and theming doesn't convince you, how do you explain Luke's loaded stare at the end? He recognizes her.
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The lightsaber force pull is just one overt reference to the OT in a movie riddled with them. Someone else was arguing she's a Kenobi because you what, she does a whole lot of stuff that Obi-Wan does in ANH, like mind trick a storm trooper. I don't think anyone is denying the possibility that she might be Luke's daughter, but that doesn't mean it's a given. If anything it's too obvious.
 
Conezays said:
Interesting to see others echo many of the criticisms I had while watching it. I felt it started off very strongly and in keeping with the original trilogy's vibe. As things got towards the middle, they just got more and more muddled IMO.

-Finn's arc was very hamfisted and done too quickly. I would've liked something more as to his change from a storm trooper (/sanitation worker?) to wanting to get out ASAP.

-Poe was used so little that it kind of seemed unnecessary to have much focus on him. Oh by the way, I got off Jakku with no explanation.

-The use of desert and snowy planets again felt very rehashed. I think a look at another interesting alien world would've done wonders for adding some unique visual variety to the film, instead of feeling like we're seeing Tattooine 2.0 and Hoth 2.0.

-Like others, I found Kylo's acting/manniersms/physical features to be a bit strange. I get they're wanting the character to be conflicted and immature, etc., but overall it just didn't work for me. I laughed at his tantrums (especially when the two soliders see him breaking things and walk away); his character seemed more like a joke than anyone intimidating. Ditto for the other commander who gives the full-blown Nazi speech; I just didn't buy it.

-Killing Han was another callback to Obi Wan's death in A New Hope (in a film with numerous intentional parallels) and it just didn't feel earned to me. You know it's going to happen once he walks out onto the catwalk, but I don't know. I needed something more from either character, or some idea why Kylo hates his father, doing good, etc.

-I love John Williams, but definitely felt the film was missing some of its unique identiy or new musical themes to work with.

Ultimately, it felt like A New Hope for a new generation, minus the character, gravitas, and unique qualities that made the original work IMO. It had good qualities, but unfortunately to me it came off as a streamlined retread of the original versus forging its own path, which the prequels did, albeit not successfully.
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They basically went the safe route due to the fact that people will complain if you do something outside of the little box they have their star wars minds locked in.

People can hate on the prequels but at least they tried something new, this new movie was essentially a New Hope 2.0.
 
Nephtes said:
I really hope Rey is neither Ren's sister nor Luke's kid...

That's just lazy and too easy...
They can come up with something more shocking and better.
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Star Wars has never been about that. Vader says I am your father -- it's a twist, but not a twist on a twist. It was the fans that made it into something bigger: is it true? Did he lie?

But, the movie just straight up and told us ... And, you know, I'm not looking to be shocked by Star Wars, I just want to be entertained by a story about good versus evil. Like the original script note said about the first movie -- its a great story for children of all ages.
 
KingBroly said:
Considering her knowledge of thee Falcon was basically second nature...come on. It's obvious.
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Lando had access to the Falcon for a while...

And it's had countless owners... As mentioned in the film.

Rey even mentions who had what installed. For all you know, she had a hand in helping find the junk that ended up getting installed in it... Hence why she called it junk.
 
Hi i saw this movie last night.

I'm not done digesting it but there's a moment that's stuck with me as sort of indicative of how I feel Abrams is more capable at storytelling thru film than Lucas. Rey sits at the foot of a downed AT-ST (or was it an AT-AT?), eating, then lifts a battered old helmet onto her head and just sort of stares off with it on

see, i feel like this is the sort of 'showing and not telling' that Lucas tripped over nonstop in the PT. i can just imagine anakin going SOMEDAY IM GONNA BE A GR8 PILOT

and even after seeing the PT several times, i can't even say that being a pilot is something that anakin wants to do or even likes to do. it's just something he's really super good at or whatever.

but here, in TFA, we get the whole picture without rey saying something stupid and obvious. i think that's the moment that sold me on this movie, moreso than the humor which i'm glad is back or just the humanity in general.
 
Tesseract said:
anyway, i like that so much was conveyed than exposed, assuming their storyboards for 8 and 9 aren't total shit
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agreed 100%.

while I know many prefer spoon-feeding, I rather enjoy not everything being laid bare and exposed.

Sectorseven said:
Why does Han still have to be a smuggler? His (ex?)wife is a general for the resistance. Can't he run a legitimate shipping company?
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He liked doing what he was good at doing. Some people like the risk and danger.
 
Cybit said:
I think they could have added one more fun moment of fan service in the Han / Kylo scene.

Han goes up to Kylo, they do their scene, and right as Kylo is about to stab Han, Han's expression changes (as he realizes what is about to happen), he pulls out his blaster and shoots Kylo in the gut first before then getting ran through and falling off the bridge. They already establish that Kylo's a super tough SOB (see; bowcaster shot he takes from Chewie, multiple lightsaber strikes) - would have been a fun "Han shot first" fanservice moment.
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This would kill the entire gravitas of that scene.

Han's not there to fight his son. He's there to offer him a chance to come back that isn't at the point of a gun.

Kylo says no, he's too committed to the path he's on.
 
The interesting thing about Rey is that a good amount of people seemed to know of her, or at least that a girl with the force existed. Ren reacted immediately after hearing about "some girl" escaping with Finn on Jakku, which would at least imply he knew she could have been there.
 
Sectorseven said:
Why does Han still have to be a smuggler? His (ex?)wife is a general for the resistance. Can't he run a legitimate shipping company?
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Star Wars is essentially about Nature vs Nurture. Who you are vs Who you want to be. The character arcs almost always start off on one end of the spectrum and slide to the other.
 
Branduil said:
The music when Rey takes the lightsaber from Kylo, holy crap. Best moment in the movie.
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There were two moments in the film where it hit me, holy shit, this is episode VII.

The first was after the opening crawl finished and it dawned on me that this was the seventh one of these things I've read.

The second was Rey pulling the lightsaber to her and switching it on. I don't know if it's because I wasn't expecting something like that to happen so soon, or because it was watching Luke's daughter about to fight Han and Leia's son, but that was a "wow, Episode VII is real and is actually happening right now" kind of moment.
 
bes.gen said:
somewhat unimpressed.
i didn't like how it followed the structure of the episode4 almost
character for character, scene for scene.

it starts with the same power balance all over again as if rebels haven't achieved in last trilogy.
why not show power struggles in the new republic, portray sith as hunter became hunted etc.

"it play too safe and by the established rules" is what i'm trying to say i guess.
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I was definitely disappointed that they played on that so much. With the acting in this movie and the universe its in, a few winks and nods to the original trilogy would have been enough.

Still much better than the prequels and a fun watch.
 
After listening to quite a bit of the soundtrack, I think I found the problem:

It wasn't mixed it to be loud enough in the film! Sometimes volume is what is needed as much as anything. There are a lot of solid tracks here.
 
So I posted in the other thread already, but I really loved this film. I was really emotional throughout the whole thing and I'm not really sure why. I guess I've always had a special spot for Star Wars but I didn't think it mattered that much to me. John Williams was killing it throughout. Daisy Ridley was really good, much better than I'd hoped. Kylo Ren was menacing and genuinely quite disturbing. John Boyega was really good too! I can see the film has flaws (the bar scene was just a bit weird and forced), and that it borrows a lot of story beats from Episode 4, but I honestly don't care, because the rest of it is so enjoyable, so well made.

Dreams-Visions said:
After listening to quite a bit of the soundtrack, I think I found the problem:

It wasn't mixed it to be loud enough in the film! Sometimes volume is what is needed as much as anything. There are a lot of solid tracks here.
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That's always been the case with Star Wars though. I watched A New Hope the other day, after spending quite a while listening to the soundtrack and a lot of the tracks are very quiet in the background. One in particular that stuck out was the Jawa's theme, which you can barely hear during the film.
 
Nephtes said:
I really hope Rey is neither Ren's sister nor Luke's kid...

That's just lazy and too easy...
They can come up with something more shocking and better.
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Anything less than a Skywalker would be an unnecessary swerve to shock the audience.

Which it probably is. Sigh.
 
Nephtes said:
Lando had access to the Falcon for a while...

And it's had countless owners... As mentioned in the film.

Rey even mentions who had what installed. For all you know, she had a hand in helping find the junk that ended up getting installed in it... Hence why she called it junk.
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It hadn't been flown in decades, probably not even touched in decades.

And Han offered her a job aboard the ship. He was clearly doing it out of heartfelt sentiment and not out of business.
 
Bridge scene was great. Presents several inversions of variables from the ESB "I am your father" scene, while also recalling Temple of Doom. I also like how Kylo appears to be thisclose to joining Han, until the sun darkens and he is brought back to evil.
 
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