[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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So, I have a theory...

Stormtrooper helmets have some essential flaw that makes wearers terrible shots.

Finn is a great shot, and he had the same training. Difference? No helmet.
 
Disney did a great job appealing to different audiences, my girlfriend have never seen a Star Wars movie and yet she enjoyed it a lot, also the character of Finn did very good.
 
Either that or sometime after the battle on/over Endor the remnants of the Empire or perhaps the First Order did some recon of the aftermath and found it themselves.

The movie leaves a bunch to your imagination. The helmet and how Anakin/Luke lightsaber got found. It really doesn't need explanation for it to work in the story.
 
Anyone else think the supreme leader had a face similar to the guys on Kamino? Obviously just without the neck.
 
What score would you give TPM sir?

2?

I reserve that rating for AOTC which I consider one of the worst movies of all time. Episode I is more like a 5 movie, but it has to be stated that while Episode I is inferior, it at least tried to be its own thing. Episode VII was basically a rewrite of IV with more modern acting/visual design, reusing the death star plot while constantly prodding to the audience the routine homages. The worst was definitely just running into the millenium falcon at random to me though, the galaxy sure is a small place.

However, all things said and done VII felt more human and had a good mixture of drama and humor even if it was a retread, I just look at things in their entirety. VII is very lazy mixed with ambitious, where as Episode I was full on ambitious but just kind of fell on it's face due to a variety of issues (including but not limited to Jar Jar, under use of Maul, cardboard characters at times)

Here's the thing though, I don't tend to get swept up in the hype like many do, I feel my opinion of this movie will be the general tone people adopt in the years to come, and I know i'm not alone here, just I know some people will complain until years pass, or some famous youtube video comes out to tear it apart and convince them it's actually worse than it really is..

I liked the new leads a lot, visual design was spectacular and a lot of the tension was well done, but the constant throw backs really started to bug me, when C3PO just popped in on screen or BB8 just ripped the cloth off R2D2 my eyes rolled and it happens enough that it detracts. I'm a big fan of the movies but i'm not a person who is big on fan service just to have fan service, and I hope episode 8 has all of that out of the system since there won't be a need to reintroduce these characters once again.
 
If the beam is visible then it's not going faster than light speed. I mean, it's a beam of light after all.

I need to watch the scene again to see how they did it.

that probably depends on the size and distance? the light from the sun to our earth takes 8 minutes for instance, so if a huge beam from sun to earth could be observed we would see it traveling for 8 minutes
 
Ren taking off his mask is exactly what he needed to do, in my opinion. Him with the mask is a nice visual tie in to his Vader roots, but when he loses it he starts becoming his own thing. I'm curious what his look in the next movie will be, considering both his saber and mask were destroyed.

Was he face scarred by the saber at the end of the fight, I'm trying to remember, there seemed to be some kind of injury there.
 
The movie leaves a bunch to your imagination. The helmet and how Anakin/Luke lightsaber got found. It really doesn't need explanation for it to work in the story.
Nah, the helmet is acceptable as a remnant of the Battle of Jakku but I need to know how they got the mask and the lightsaber.

Which is a great business opportunity for some new novels.
 
The movie leaves a bunch to your imagination. The helmet and how Anakin/Luke lightsaber got found. It really doesn't need explanation for it to work in the story.

This is true. The Lucas thing to do would be to devote 10 minutes or so to expository dialogue on the lineage of these things and I'm glad that was not done.
 
oh, also, i loved those bits of dialogue that were either foreshadowing, or subtle ways to pass on information without feeling forced.

Like Rey telling BB8 not to go north, because the sand would swallow him up. (which later happens to Poe / Finn's TIE fighter)

or Poe randomly praising BB8 for being "white and orange, one of a kind!" which Finn dismisses, but that information later helps him recognize the droid as Poe's.

- I actually thought that was a sarlacc lol, it made weird sounds

- I'm not sure he recognizes it with the color though, I think Rey has to tell him something for him to connect the dots, not sure
 
I thought Kylo Ren was a weak point when I saw it this morning but you guys are good at convincing me that he wasn't that bad. I feel like I will appreciate it more on my second viewing.
 
I reserve that rating for AOTC which I consider one of the worst movies of all time. Episode I is more like a 5 movie, but it has to be stated that while Episode I is inferior, it at least tried to be its own thing. Episode VII was basically a rewrite of IV with more modern acting/visual design, reusing the death star plot while constantly prodding to the audience the routine homages. The worst was definitely just running into the millenium falcon at random to me though, the galaxy sure is a small place.

However, all things said and done VII felt more human and had a good mixture of drama and humor even if it was a retread, I just look at things in their entirety. VII is very lazy mixed with ambitious, where as Episode I was full on ambitious but just kind of fell on it's face due to a variety of issues (including but not limited to Jar Jar, under use of Maul, cardboard characters at times)

Here's the thing though, I don't tend to get swept up in the hype like many do, I feel my opinion of this movie will be the general tone people adopt in the years to come, and I know i'm not alone here, just I know some people will complain until years pass, or some famous youtube video comes out to tear it apart and convince them it's actually a lot worse than it really ever was.

I liked the new leads a lot, visual design was spectacular and a lot of the tension was well done, but the constant throw backs really started to bug me, when C3PO just popped in on screen or BB8 just ripped the cloth off R2D2 my eyes rolled and it happens enough that it detracts. I'm a big fan of the movies but i'm not a person who is big on fan service just to have fan service, and I hope episode 8 has all of that out of the system since there won't be a need to reintroduce these characters once again.

Trust me dude you are not alone as your thoughts have been echoed by me and others in this thread. I think once all the brand new hype washes away and some reasoned analysis and reflection sinks through people will understand that it is a weak start for a new trilogy and a very "safe" movie.
 
Nah, the helmet is acceptable as a remnant of the Battle of Jakku but I need to know how they got the mask and the lightsaber.

Which is a great business opportunity for some new novels.

Did I say it wasn't? I said it got found and not necessarily by whom. Still not necessary to be explained how they were found in Ep7.
 
Luke's ESB lightsaber fell down that shafty thing and below that is just clouds and nothingness. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't cloud city hovering over a gas planet?

How anyone found his lightsaber I find baffling.
 
Trust me dude you are not alone as your thoughts have been echoed by me and others in this thread. I think once all the brand new hype washes away and some reasoned analysis and reflection sinks through people will understand that it is a weak start for a new trilogy and a very "safe" movie.

it's safe in its form but they still kill han
Weak though ? lol fuck that noise, it's a great start
 
Rey destroyed Kylo's saber at the end, right? I wonder what his new one will look like.
 
Thanks for the correction, but I do hope we are done with the Sith stuff. It's too predictable.

Its core elements of the Saga. I mean realistically after how much the Galaxy has been fucked over by the Skywalker bloodline you would think they would have made it their personal mission to exterminate any skywalker from existence.
 
Luke's ESB lightsaber fell down that shafty thing and below that is just clouds and nothingness. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't cloud city hovering over a gas planet?

How anyone found his lightsaber I find baffling.

It fell inside the thing. Luke falls in there, and only after he comes to a stop does a trap open under him. The saber could have remained in the cloud city tunnel thingie.
 
Luke's ESB lightsaber fell down that shafty thing and below that is just clouds and nothingness. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't cloud city hovering over a gas planet?

How anyone found his lightsaber I find baffling.

Could got wedged in the vent

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Luke's ESB lightsaber fell down that shafty thing and below that is just clouds and nothingness. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't cloud city hovering over a gas planet?

Maybe? I don't know if there's an actual canon explanation as to what Bespin is under those clouds. Is it just more clouds? Is there a surface?

Not everything that fell off that gantry immediately got swept outside, I don't think. Or at least, there's no real reason it would have to.

It's not like Luke was having the luckiest day that day, anyway.
 
When Kylo took off his helmet I was like "Oh god no, this guy cannot play evil badass," but I felt happily proven wrong. He definitely did a good job (the actor) overcoming my initial impression
 
Luke's ESB lightsaber fell down that shafty thing and below that is just clouds and nothingness. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't cloud city hovering over a gas planet?

How anyone found his lightsaber I find baffling.

Crushing atmosphere of a gas giant is insignificant next to the power of the Force
 
snoke is supposed to be plagueis?
then why not just name him that?

and that would be stupid any ways.
Plagueis was just his "Darth" name and since the Darth line would have supposedly been broken after Palpatine and Vader's fall, there would be no need to maintain the name.
 
Scenes I teared up at:

Opening scroll

Finn's friend gets shot

Han and Chewy show up

Rey touches the lightsaber

Maz explains the Force (full on cried)

Han and Leia hug it out

"Ben!" (full on cried)

Chewie's reaction to Han's death

Rey gets the lightsaber

The scene when it switches back to the space battle after a lightsaber fight and everything FEELS SO STAR WARS

I really enjoyed it guys. My favorite scene overall was probably Rey touching the lightsaber.
 
In this case, telegraphing Han Solo's death with dialogue and cinematography was a far better choice than just killing him out of nowhere. This is Star Wars, everything is big and heightened and dramatic.

Some people dismiss it by saying "I saw it coming a mile away" when that's the whole point. As soon as he stepped on that bridge I knew he was a goner. You feel helpless knowing what's going to happen, yet being powerless to stop it.
 
Can we talk about the absolute waste of the Raid-characters? What was the fucking point if they can't do some martial arts?

The speculation would be that they played other roles in the film in costume, and that was just a cameo to let them be unmasked on screen. The badass stormtrooper certainly might have been one of them.
 
Is it possible Rey has been to the first Jedi Temple before? When Kylo was interrogating her, he alluded to seeing an ocean and then an island in her mind. I don't believe it can be explained as simply part of her force vision, as there would be no reason for us as the audience not to see it. We wouldn't understand it's significant until the end of the film. It makes me think that Rey was left on Jakku because she knew more about Luke and his location that she realised. To protect her and Luke. I think it also adds credence to there being a greater connection between Luke and Rey.
 
Scenes I teared up at:

Opening scroll

Finn's friend gets shot

Han and Chewy show up

Rey touches the lightsaber

Maz explains the Force (full on cried)

Han and Leia hug it out

"Ben!" (full on cried)

Chewie's reaction to Han's death

Rey gets the lightsaber

The scene when it switches back to the space battle after a lightsaber fight and everything FEELS SO STAR WARS

I really enjoyed it guys. My favorite scene overall was probably Rey touching the lightsaber.

And I thought I was emotional :-O
 
it's like JJ made new planets that resemble closely to old SW planets:
Tatoine: Jakku
Curreseant: Hosnian Prime
Yavin : Takodana
Made perfect sense too. Rey's character pretty much necessitates growing up on a planet like that.

Can we talk about the absolute waste of the Raid-characters? What was the fucking point if they can't do some martial arts?
Yeah a bit disappointed. Wonder if one of them weren't in a stormtrooper suit fighting against Finn though? Maybe they can come back in Ep 8 and have some cool martial arts fights against Rey.
 
Trust me dude you are not alone as your thoughts have been echoed by me and others in this thread. I think once all the brand new hype washes away and some reasoned analysis and reflection sinks through people will understand that it is a weak start for a new trilogy and a very "safe" movie.

I imagine so, a lot of people are easily sucked in by hype (see episode 1 initially being the best movie ever, and now some kind of horrible abomination). I liked the movie enough back when it hit, and still find it relatively alright, but never loved it. Hype doesn't effect me as much (but does somewhat), legitimate story telling and the overall craft of the movie is what I judge in the end, and a lot of the pacing and reuse of plots/fan service will definitely be bashed on in the coming years. I'd even say that it will be so much so that it might become a 'bad' movie to many when in reality it's still pretty good, just heavily flawed, like Jedi.

Still, it wasn't all I hoped it would be, and I hate to say but the Star Trek reboot was overall better to me, but I enjoyed it enough that i'd watch it again am excited to see where they go with it.
 
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