With George he has creative ideas for a Universe but now Star Wars is run by corporate Disney. I wonder how they will create the mythology
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Sectorseven
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The legend is canon, but Plagueis being his master is just speculation, based on the film.
PHOENIXZERO
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Wait, what if Rey is actually the daughter of Lone Starr and Princess Vespa and she doesn't actually have the Force but instead the Schwartz and she got left behind when she snuck out of the Winnebago?
I think Luke asked Lor San Tekka (the old guy who Kylo Ren killed) to watch over Rey, but in case he ever did need to find him, gave him those instructions along with R2D2. It makes sense because Lor San Tekka was the guy who gave his piece of the map to Poe in the first place. Somehow The First Order simply figured that out.
MagicWithEarvin
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Palpatine mentioned to Anakin in Episode III that he killed his master (Plagueis) once he learned everything he needed to learn from him, so it's canon. Like someone else mentioned, Palpatine could've just been BSing about Plagueis - who knows what really happened to him.
The One and Done
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Well, welcome to Neogaf. This movie will be picked apart like pulled pork. But luckily the movie is really good, which is now a fact of life. One of the best Star Wars films, easily in the top 3.
Monocle
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I trust they'll do a good job. The root problem with the prequels was George monopolizing the creative process.
SparkleMotion
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Does Rey need to be some character's daughter? Force sensitive people are in the universe, they just can't tune themselves to the Force. Luke had a Jedi Academy training people who I'm sure didn't have Jedi parents.
SuperSonic1305
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I thought the mind trick required hand movements didn't it?
Also what planet was it that blew up?
Also what planet was it that blew up?
Skyball Paint
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Yeah, not sure what he was trying to do there.
bananafactory
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Precisely. She had a reaction to Luke's saber but I took that as simply her connection with the Force and not a personal or bloodline connection
Bobby Roberts
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Even if you could explain how THEY don't know they ever had a five year-old daughter, that doesn't explain how NOBODY ELSE around them would have forgotten this fact.
The kid wouldn't have been raised in secret for five years. The resistance seems pretty tightly-knit, on top of that.
CrichtonKicks
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If it was Craig it probably wouldn't be his voice anyway since the trooper voices are almost assuredly ADR'd later. I can buy that Craig gets a walk on role because he stops by the set at Pinewood. But I can't see them calling him back in later (especially if they ADR in the US) to get those lines recorded.
Not really much different than what happened with Luke in ANH.
It doesn't work in the timeline. Rey is already several years old at least when abandoned and presumably that's around when things went bad with the Knights of Ren. I don't believe that Luke is training Han and Leia's son for a time but he won't entrust his sister with the knowledge that "oh, yeah, several years ago I had a daughter." He isn't going to keep it a secret from them.
I suppose it's possible he didn't know he had a kid most of that time but still...
He wants to do another Indy, so that's not true. But I agree with the proper sendoff. There's no way he would have last another two films.
SparkleMotion
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He thinks he's more powerful than he is. He doesn't want to believe a blaster wound could affect him, so he's psyching himself up and almost feeding off the anger the pain of the wound is giving him.
yeah that's my thought as well. My uber fan uncle thinks she's Luke's kid but that's super obvious. I don't know why she can't be a new start, a new legend. He wants it to just be all about the Skywalker family.
Sectorseven
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Right, but Palpatine never implies he was the apprentice, and even if we are to assume he was, why doesn't he have the fabled death defying powers he promised Anakin?
Bobby Roberts
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So does Kathleen Kennedy
Tetsuo9999
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I got Han's death spoiled for me by some asshat on the Guilty Gear Xrd Steam forums, of all things. After seeing the movie and seeing that the spoiler was true, I have to wonder how much of Han's death was due to Harrison Ford's injury, Ford wanting to be written out, or both. Perhaps he was always intended to die at some point during this new trilogy, but they moved it up to the first one due to his injuries?
Sectorseven
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They've been mulling killing off Solo since before ROJ.
Why? It's clear from the scene when Finn gets the jacket that his body wasn't in the ship.
we all knew he wasn't dead. no body. also if you saw any preview he's like the first thing in the first preview in an X-wing in daylight.
SparkleMotion
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They never showed him in the ship. Finn just assumed because his jacket was there. If the gunner can eject from that crash, I'm sure the pilot could as well.
ultracal31
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What's worse is the thumbnail I saw is just readable enough that I can read it Despite the small size :/
Also I don't think it was due to his injury and mostly just Harrison desires to have that character die since Jedi
Yeah it also didn't help that I'd seen footage of him in trailers and whatnot in later scenes.
With Solo dying, I don't think it was gratuitous or due to Ford's demands. That's important character building for Ren. It's harder to believe someone who killed his own dad could come back from the dark side.
Lol. Of all the crazy ass things people have survived in Star Wars, a guy surviving some torture along with a tie-fighter crash (using auto eject with parachutes, landing on to sand) offered you the biggest wtf moment? Really?
Just saw it, thought it was great. I don't think it was as good as any of the original trilogy, but again that's a damn near impossible bar to reach.
Having the new Jedi be Rey was a great twist. I totally saw Kylo killing Han coming about a minute before it happened. I was glad they brought Admiral Ackbar back, even though he only had a minor role in the original trilogy, it was still cool to see him again.
Having the new Jedi be Rey was a great twist. I totally saw Kylo killing Han coming about a minute before it happened. I was glad they brought Admiral Ackbar back, even though he only had a minor role in the original trilogy, it was still cool to see him again.
This was ruined if you watched the trailers -- because one of the scenes in it/them was Poe and Finn broing it at the rebel base and I recalled that.
Palpatine specifically tells Anakin after he has fully duped him into Darth Vader that he never learned the power to cheat death only Plagueis did and that with Anakins help they will figure it out.
CrichtonKicks
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He clearly never really gelled with the OT (despite how great he was). But a lot of that may have been working with Lucas (who was still a big presence on Empire and Jedi despite not directing). Given the quality of his performance in TFA, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he may have had a better time working with Abrams and Co. But, yeah, at the end of the day I think he probably likes that he got to be the focus of a movie and then call it a day.
And the dude's really been a champ on the promotion circuit this time too so I think that also speaks to it probably being a pretty positive experience. Other than that whole getting really badly hurt thing.
The whole movie is built around him and leads into the confrontation with Ren. It was no doubt planned to be his swan song well before filming started.
The explanation is so unbelievably halfassed and he just comes back into the film like it's nothing. Yes it was obvious he wasn't dead but the way they reintroduce him is hilarious.
it's completely different. luke hears the voice of his dead mentor and decides to do something which is tricky but not impossible using instinct instead of an automated process. it's all very vague, ethereal and could still have just been lucky shot.
it's not until empire that he can just about move small objects around.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Hehehe Kylo Ren is just like Darth Vader Junior, i like him, and dat hair.
Supre Leader Emperor Chancellor Snoke is basically Voldemort.
Overall there was not much tension or suspense at all, its like going through the motions, they way they destroyed Death Star III was basically "You remember when we did this before? do it again!" and sooo many things just the same, i guess we have to see all 3 movies to get a sense of plot. And it all seemed like Luke did nothing at all, the Empire is still strong and capable of destroying their entire resistance in a whim, they just are incompetents.
But great new characters, and it was fun. to watch, not second coming of Jesus, but good sci fi film 7/10 a step above from the previous films,
That part was easily the weakest part of the film. "We can't figure out how to make throwing a new Death Star in here make sense but we had to do it oh we also don't know how to make anything spacey sound good either but let's just hurry and do this real fast guise and maybe no one will think about it"
And yes, that's it exactly, half the film I thought was promising as hell and the other half felt like going through the motions, made worse by these parts sort of falling together out of step.
Luke just kinda being saddled with the Obi Wan curse was kinda balls also, and I'm not enormously looking forward to part 2 giving him the "scared old gunfighter who is now a coward but a new student will make him learn he can still quickdraw" treatment either.
So Plagueis is a force ghost like Obiwan then. Maybe Snoke isn't plagueis but is guided by him.
ProtomanNeo
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Let me preface this comment by saying that I love Rey's, Kylo's and the Resistence themes, but having both watched the film twice and listening to the score I must admit there are some missed opportunities. Previous Star Wars scores have always had themes outside of the main themes that are recognizable. Examples that have parallels in other films that I don't feel we got are as follows. From A New Hope "Tie Fighter Attack" from Empire "Asteroid Field" both of these are examples of music that played during similar scenes as the Falcon's escape from Jakku. And having watched the scene again there's nothing there for me or a kid playing with his toys to mimic humming along. Another example is the finale and destruction of the Starkiller. Again in every film whether it be EP 1 and the destruction of the the droid ship or Death Star 1 or 2 the moments are amazingly memorable musically. Poe's final run and escape as things fall apart were a missed opportunity musically.
longdi
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Where do we think Ep8 will go? Obviously it will focus on Rey/Kylo training.
I hope they got rid of the death starkiller thing in ep7 so they can focus on the new characters development more intimately. No need to retread building another one. TFO could be pushed back to be more of a smaller terrorist cell threat.
I hope they got rid of the death starkiller thing in ep7 so they can focus on the new characters development more intimately. No need to retread building another one. TFO could be pushed back to be more of a smaller terrorist cell threat.
The same exact thing happened to Poe and Finn. It's just that Finn had BB-8 so that's who the stormtroopers were after the whole time.
Also, I spoiled myself silly with that PDF that got put together pre-release and props to them because they were spot fucking on for the most part. And even going in knowing everything that didn't ruin a thing. The dialogue, the raw emotion, the world building. It was all completely fantastic. I know this shit will get picked apart to death, but for what it is, for all the hype and the legacy it has to uphold, it's fucking phenomenal.
Entirely wipes away the bad taste of the prequels and for that, it's to be commended.
It's gonna be a long fucking wait till ep. 8.
Entirely wipes away the bad taste of the prequels and for that, it's to be commended.
It's gonna be a long fucking wait till ep. 8.
This is why I believe Rey had past training and it was forgotten for whatever reason (either by trauma or someone wiping her memory or whatever). "The Force Awakens" This is the only really good explanation for how she so quickly becomes so good at so many jedi type things.
SparkleMotion
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Not a complaint, just funny the amount of lightsaber contact to human skin there is without severe dismemberment or death. In every other iteration of Star Wars that I've seen except for games, if the Saber touches you, you're losing something.
I didn't care for anything Deathstar 3 related. It was just too familiar and waaay too similar to A New Hope. A large space battle would have been much preferred with some capital ship action. Bright side is we won't be seeing any more DS in future films. Right?!?
I liked the lightsaber duels much better than the prequels although Ren looked pretty sad. He could have easily won had he just stuck with his OP force powers (throw/choke). It was disappointing to see a Skywalker descendant, heavily trained in the force, put down by someone with likely no force training using a lightsaber for the first time. And Fin was able to hold his own against Ren? Fin, who got knocked on his butt and was about to be killed by a stormtrooper with some kind of energized melee weapon, while he was weilding a lightsaber. Ren was an apprentice sure, so were Vader and Darth Maul. Ren could also stop a freaking laser blast with the force.
I really liked the movie overall. The first half was especially good. It felt like a star wars movie and just about everything looked great. I liked the cast a lot with Rey being the highlight.
I liked the lightsaber duels much better than the prequels although Ren looked pretty sad. He could have easily won had he just stuck with his OP force powers (throw/choke). It was disappointing to see a Skywalker descendant, heavily trained in the force, put down by someone with likely no force training using a lightsaber for the first time. And Fin was able to hold his own against Ren? Fin, who got knocked on his butt and was about to be killed by a stormtrooper with some kind of energized melee weapon, while he was weilding a lightsaber. Ren was an apprentice sure, so were Vader and Darth Maul. Ren could also stop a freaking laser blast with the force.
I really liked the movie overall. The first half was especially good. It felt like a star wars movie and just about everything looked great. I liked the cast a lot with Rey being the highlight.
Its actually detailed in the novel, possibly a scene that was cut
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