[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Hehehe Kylo Ren is just like Darth Vader Junior, i like him, and dat hair. :)

Supre Leader Emperor Chancellor Snoke is basically Voldemort.

Overall there was not much tension or suspense at all, its like going through the motions, they way they destroyed Death Star III was basically "You remember when we did this before? do it again!" and sooo many things just the same, i guess we have to see all 3 movies to get a sense of plot. And it all seemed like Luke did nothing at all, the Empire is still strong and capable of destroying their entire resistance in a whim, they just are incompetents.

But great new characters, and it was fun. to watch, not second coming of Jesus, but good sci fi film 7/10 a step above from the previous films,
 
CrichtonKicks said:
For the 100th time, the Luke monologue was never a part of the script. It's from RotJ and was re-recorded just for that trailer.

It references Vader being alive....


I'm not big on this theory but the only use I can see for Plagueis would be as a way to leap frog the prequels and bring material in from even before that time. Per the OT the records pre-Empire were largely wiped out so if they want to bring in some kind of history in then a character from before that era would be useful.

I feel confident that Episode 8 is definitely brewing up something regarding history- TFA never really explains why the First Order is so desparate to find Luke and I'm thinking it' has something to do with whatever he has been working on at that Jedi Temple.
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They probably want to crush any chance of someone raising new Jedis.
 
bonesmccoy said:
Han touching Ben's face... As a father of 3 boys, that scene got me.

Re Leia & Rey embracing, I chocked it up to their force affinities. They probably had been swapping feels long before the hug.
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I didn't tear up until that scene with Leia and Rey. That was rough, especially when it pans out to just them alone on the side embracing. Everyone else celebrating. :(
 
injurai said:
More just sounded like his voice through the helmet com. He obviously would have done the voice as a dub.
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It didn't sound like his voice at all, modulated or not.

The initial report saying it's him cited his "clipped british accent" which that trooper doesn't even have.

And Daniel Craig's American accent sucks.
 
It was ok.
It followed New Hope's beats
Rey climbing done reminded me of Ben disabling the shield.
Han Solo's death to Ben's death.
The intro is when scene too.

The one thing I felt it's missing is the mythology of the original. Lucas created a world
 
Jobbs said:
A friend of mine just saw it a 2nd time and he now thinks Rey is Han and Leia's daughter. One of the clues he feels is that Han and Leia's theme plays when Rey is hugging Leia fora long time. She also wears the blaster like han does at the end. It also sets up some interesting story possibilities and the obvious tells that she's Luke's daughter could easily be red herrings.
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That would be interesting. I'm not convinced either way. One point my friend brought up was that after Luke had some defectors from his Jedi school, he left Rey so she could not be turned to the dark side.

About her similarities to Han, I think those parallels are more about her being the smuggler archetype. People learn from each other not just because they are related, she's basically taking up his legacy alongside Chewie.
 
Despite feeling like it was a competent, 3/5 star movie, I'm excited for what the sequels will hold. TFA might not be GOAT, but the what it leaves is potential for some awesome side-stories and universe building.

And we can't avoid it forever, but let's do it - I love that there's FINALLY some Asian characters (with somewhat nice roles) in the universe. For Lucas to base Jedis off Japanese samurais but never including a single Asian actor in was ludicrous. I'm aware that Chinese actress Bai Ling was in the prequels, but she was cut out almost entirely.

Ken Leung as one of Leia's generals, Iko Uwais & Yayan Ruhian as a gang of Solo-hating aliens, and Christina Chong as an X-wing pilot - they're still relatively small roles but they all had their moments.

Bring on Rogue One. Hopefully they've let Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen do some of the fight choreography!
 
Skyrim said:
It was ok.
It followed New Hope's beats
Rey climbing done reminded me of Ben disabling the shield.
Han Solo's death to Ben's death.
The intro is when scene too.

The one thing I felt it's missing is the mythology of the original. Lucas created a world
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The idea was obviously to mirror the fuck out of the OT to indicate that the Star Wars we know is back. Now, if Ep. 8 has as many structural and thematic similarities to the OT as TFA does, that'll be the time to worry that this trilogy has nothing new to say.
 
Jobbs said:
A friend of mine just saw it a 2nd time and he now thinks Rey is Han and Leia's daughter. One of the clues he feels is that Han and Leia's theme plays when Rey is hugging Leia fora long time. She also wears the blaster like han does at the end. It also sets up some interesting story possibilities and the obvious tells that she's Luke's daughter could easily be red herrings.
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she would know if she was Leia's daughter. She saw her in VII. And she was left on that desert planet by someone. If she was Luke's she would know him too. It doesn't make sense either way. She was old enough, not a baby - so she grew up with either one.
 
Downhome said:
Yeah, I thought if anyone died in this film it would be Chewie.
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I hate to say it but I think they would just recast him.

I don't care if Ford wanted Han to die back then or not. I mean, it's so HUGE now, this comeback, I figured they would do all in their power to keep the character alive for marketing purposes if nothing else.

I also kinda hated how he died. I mean, in theory it was fine, but you would think Han should go out in a more spectacular fashion. At the very least I wish he had a final line, something to take us back to "I know" if nothing more.
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Ford got pretty badly injured just doing this film already. He is in fantastic shape for his age but may not have been up to next films. Han Solo isn't a diplomat or a military leader. He gets in the action. It would just be too implausible to write a scenario where he sits on the sidelines of the next films when his son seems to be the main villain.

And his death was perfect. Dude survived too much to go out in a conventional way against Imperial Upstarts. But deliberately sacrificing himself to make a final attempt to bring his son to the light- yep, that's a hero's death.

Jobbs said:
A friend of mine just saw it a 2nd time and he now thinks Rey is Han and Leia's daughter. One of the clues he feels is that Han and Leia's theme plays when Rey is hugging Leia fora long time. She also wears the blaster like han does at the end. It also sets up some interesting story possibilities and the obvious tells that she's Luke's daughter could easily be red herrings.
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I'm sorry but to have Han die without knowing that the young pilot he just forged a connection with is his real daughter is just far too cruel for this series.
 
Jobbs said:
A friend of mine just saw it a 2nd time and he now thinks Rey is Han and Leia's daughter. One of the clues he feels is that Han and Leia's theme plays when Rey is hugging Leia fora long time. She also wears the blaster like han does at the end. It also sets up some interesting story possibilities and the obvious tells that she's Luke's daughter could easily be red herrings.
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I seriously doubt it. Han and Leia openly admit that Kylo is their son, and even want him to come home to them. There's no reason not to tell Rey they're her parents, and there's also seemingly no reason to ditch her on Jakku if they were wanting Kylo to come back.
 
SO GOOD. It felt like I was a kid again in the theater. The scene where Rey grabs the lightsaber and it flies past Ren...tears.

I cannot wait to take my 8 year old daughter to this movie. Thank you JJ Abrams for having a female protagonist/main Jedi/force user. I mean it's nothing Miyazaki hasn't done in his movies before but if this movie is the multimedia bonanza everyone is expecting...it's huge. Finn is damn cool too. Loved the bromance between him and Poe.

This movie even redeemed the prequels a bit with Ren's whiny pentulance!! It's like yeah...I can see where that's from. He's just like his grandfather, a whiny bitch.
 
BY2K said:
Wait, Simon Pegg played the alien dude that was buying the junk from Rey for ratios!?

Whaaaaaaat!?
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Ah, that's who he was. I remember seeing his face in the SDCC behind the scenes clip, and I never realized until the credits were rolling that he was in costume. I thought he was a half-human, half-alien creature lol.
 
Skyrim said:
It was ok.
It followed New Hope's beats
Rey climbing done reminded me of Ben disabling the shield.
Han Solo's death to Ben's death.
The intro is when scene too.

The one thing I felt it's missing is the mythology of the original. Lucas created a world
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is English your first language?
 
Skyrim said:
The one thing I felt it's missing is the mythology of the original. Lucas created a world
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i never thought i'd find myself saying this because the prequels are such awful films, but the cheap and dirty attempt at world building and complete lack of substance to the new grand elements at play (the three second cameo of the new republic's home planet, the nu empire coming out of nowhere, the force being something that you can turn on just by realising you have it) made me appreciate some of the things lucas was at least trying to do with the prequels.
 
Ether_Snake said:
They probably want to crush any chance of someone raising new Jedis.
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Yeah for sure. From the end of episode 6 it was quite clear that Luke was the most powerful/influential force user in the galaxy. The coup that Kylo Ren accomplished was the best thing going for the Dark Side since order 66. They've been getting their ass handed to them ever since Luke found Obi-wan. Their best apprentice leading the new order, while wounded, couldn't take on a much more attuned force adept with no training.

I mean that evil imperial general would've been force choked and thrown out an airlock by a real Vader any day of the week after his failure. But Kylo Ren is a very flawed bad guy by Sith standards. Which makes their side and possible courses of action a lot more interesting.
 
Seventy_X_Seven said:
Just going to add onto this, why is there hidden information on Luke's whereabouts on Jakku to begin with? If Luke goes and finds the original Jedi Temple, then removes it from the archives and entrusts R2D2 with the main chunk, where would he put the remaining chunk? Why on Jakku? Unless his daughter is there and is hoping she'll find it and that R2 would then get to her.

Also if Luke ever did have a daughter, would that be something he keeps hidden from Han and Leia or not? Also guess it depends on when he had her relative to Ben Solo. Not quite sure their age difference.
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The less people who know the better and "safer" she is.
 
Ragnorok64 said:
I don't like that they were used as almost a power level reading. It's better when the Force is more mysteriou it never needed a "scientific" explanation. Also we now have to believe that all these random aliens all over this galaxy all have this same micro-organism in their bodes, regardless of how insanely varied they are.
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We were given only one reading and it served only to drive the point home that Annakin is a true anomaly in their universe.

The prequels didn't break the Force down into science at all. It is a mysterious now as it always has been. All the midichlorians are is a biological component to broaden our understanding. They're not the Force, they're a conduit.
 
CronoShot said:
I seriously doubt it. Han and Leia openly admit that Kylo is their son, and even want him to come home to them. There's no reason not to tell Rey they're her parents, and there's also seemingly no reason to ditch her on Jakku if they were wanting Kylo to come back.
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They don't know. There are endless theories and explanations as to how and why Rey was hidden from them. We're still going over it. But.. yeah. Stranger things have happened.
 
Mr_eX said:
I loved the movie but Hans death was super telegraphed so it had 0 emotional impact on me.
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Doesn't help that the scene is trying to showcase Kylo Ren as this sympathetic and enigmatic character when we don't have any attachment towards him.

That scene was more like an undeserved wtf scene to me.
 
Kylo Ren in the concept art looked almost completely mechanical; I wonder if by the end of the trilogy he's going to lose more and more of what makes him human physically as well as spiritually as he goes further and further into the dark side.
 
CrichtonKicks said:
I hate to say it but I think they would just recast him.



Ford got pretty badly injured just doing this film already. He is in fantastic shape for his age but may not have been up to next films. Han Solo isn't a diplomat or a military leader. He gets in the action. It would just be too implausible to write a scenario where he sits on the sidelines of the next films when his son seems to be the main villain.

And his death was perfect. Dude survived too much to go out in a conventional way against Imperial Upstarts. But deliberately sacrificing himself to make a final attempt to bring his son to the light- yep, that's a hero's death.



I'm sorry but to have Han die without knowing that the young pilot he just forged a connection with is his real daughter is just far too cruel for this series.
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I got the sense that TFA was already testing Ford's indulgence to its limit. He seems completely over Star Wars, from what I've seen, and I'm just glad he was generous enough to give Han a fitting sendoff before retiring from action oriented roles.
 
Is Plagueis being Palpatine's master canon, or is that something people are getting from the scrapped EU? After all, Palpatine didn't actually have the power to cheat death (that we know of).
 
Ragnorok64 said:
I believe he took a glancing(?) blow to the lower left abdomen . Pretty sure even he'd be dead if he ate one of those shots to the chest.
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Regardless, that bowcaster shot fucked him up real good, and it's a detail people forget about for some reason despite the film making a point of showing it.
 
Sectorseven said:
Is Plagueis being Palpatine's master canon, or is that something people are getting from the scrapped EU? After all, Palpatine didn't actually have the power to cheat death (that we know of).
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It's canon and not EU because it was in episode 3. But we don't know exactly how much (of any) of that story is true
 
Jobbs said:
They don't know. There are endless theories and explanations as to how and why Rey was hidden from them. We're still going over it. But.. yeah. Stranger things have happened.
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I dunno, doesn't seem to make much sense. Han gives a ton of hints that he knows who Rey really is (but is never revealed on screen).
 
Monocle said:
I got the sense that TFA was already testing Ford's indulgence to its limit. He seems completely over Star Wars, from what I've seen, and I'm just glad he was generous enough to give Han a fitting sendoff before retiring from action oriented roles.
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Ford wants to come back for another Indie, and Spielberg wants to do one as well. I think they wrote the death more for Hans character than for Ford.
 
Chuck Norris said:
Is part of the reason that the force users don't jump around flipping and shit and throwing large objects at each other because force users in general have become weaker since the fall of the Jedi ?

I mean Luke is supposed to be the most powerful user in the Galaxy? But he had basic training at best and Anakin didn't compare very favourably at all with the best Jedi. So if these two are considered the peak it mustn't be a very high bar
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Sort of.

Weak and Strong are kind of loose in regards to The Force. Being stronger or weaker doesn't directly translate to feats to force jumping or levitation. That kind of stuff requires a focused use of The Force that needs training to be able to use reliably.

There are also some things that some Force users are naturally more adept at like Young Anakin with his technical/gadget building or in this film, Rey's ability to force pull the saber and to fight back against Kylo's mind probing.

This is why even when a Force user is labeled as being stronger with the Force than another, they don't necessarily win in a head to head contest i.e. every time Kenobi wins a duel in the PT. Being strong in the Force doesn't mean you're just awesome at everything. Training, styles, tactics, etc.. all play into it.
 
Skyball Paint said:
Regardless, that bowcaster shot fucked him up real good, and it's a detail people forget about for some reason despite the film making a point of showing it.
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Yep he's definitely heading down the path of "more machine now than man." I hope he gets cool augmented armor.

injurai said:
Ford wants to come back for another Indie, and Spielberg wants to do one as well. I think they wrote the death more for Hans character than for Ford.
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Hmm. Maybe I misread his attitude in TFA promo appearances.

In any case, I love everything about Han's story in this movie.
 
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