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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Yeah. I thought Ford wanted Han Solo killed off in RoJ, or not survive what happened to him in ESB, it would have been a decent exit for the character. The character got too popular for that, but Solo never really did much in RoJ.
Bobby Roberts
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I kinda feel like, after two days now, the closest thing I'm seeing to a prequel-esque "forcing it" is in regards to the soundtrack.
I think it's more than fair enough to say it's the weakest work Williams has done on a Star Wars movie.
Its best moment is tracked in from 1977.
I think it's more than fair enough to say it's the weakest work Williams has done on a Star Wars movie.
Its best moment is tracked in from 1977.
Like so many elements in the film, Poe's stuff is just undercooked. He feels like extra bloat that they couldn't integrate better.
Tetsuo9999
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I don't know, if his injury was bad enough to make the crew halt filming for a few weeks, then it's not entirely implausible that they moved his death to this movie instead of the future ones. Having him back at all was a big deal, and it felt like that same scene could have happened in the next movie with little difference. There's also the fact that he might not be up to action scenes in four years when they're filming the last one, and having the character sit around wouldn't go over well with fans.
I'm not a big Star Wars fan, but I enjoyed the movie. I liked how the new characters were given ample development time, while the old ones were there for familiarity and a little backstory.
What explanation? I don't think there's anything odd about two guys surviving a TIE Fighter crash with proper ejection system. If anything, the question is why Finn didn't try harder to look around the desert to find another chute like his.
Rey's theme tho.
SparkleMotion
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I can't wait for The First Order to roll out the Galaxy Killer base.
Bobby Roberts
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Nah. He was going to bite it before filming started.
This is kinda what I'm talking about exactly. It's okay. It's very, very similar to his work on Catch Me If You Can (which I love) but it's also not the catchiest, most emotional thing.
Jedi Steps is probably the standout cue - and it's a one-off.
exmachina64
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In my dreams. ;-;
EdReedFan20
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Yeah. Apparently he's the one that Rey used a Jedi Mind Trick on. That was the most significant Storm Trooper other than Phasma, (for a short while) Finn, and the one Finn fought with a lightsaber.
Spiritreaver
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Completely agree. Not much stood out for me when I saw the film, and I gave the soundtrack a listen today and still feel the same way. Rey's theme is alright.
I feel this may be more a result of this being a hand off movie. They wanted to part of it's identity grounded in the scores of the past. Because this film seemed to have more reworks than it did original pieces. I do like Rey's theme.
The book that sadly doesn't matter anymore gave a lot of important details. Plagueis was all for doing away with the sith rules. He felt he and Palpatine could be equals instead of rivals. If anything its possible Palpatine robbed himself the chance to learn the secret out of his desire to be the one and only boss.
Sectorseven
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Ok, just so I'm not confused, Palpatine likely wasn't the aforementioned apprentice, right? Because he clearly states the apprentice learned the power and then killed his master - the power which Palpatine claims he doesn't have.
that'd be horrible storytelling then where you set something up that completely sabotages the delicate lore and then try to polyfill in the gaps later.
star wars was never cheap like this. even if you didn't know vader was luke's dad, there was nothing inexplicable from ANH that required that knowledge to make sense.
Discotheque
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The track that plays as she's walking up the steps to see luke is so good though, like peak-williams tier. Reminded me of ET or something, just full of mystery
The rest was just williams on autopilot, this movie itself doesn't seem particularly inspired either but I still appreciated a good portion of it quite a bit
Plot twist. The entire galaxy is the FO base and everybody is just an advanced AI simulation. Everyone already dead.
Vincent Alexander
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Because he is an evil son-of-a-bitch who lied to Anakin to seduce him. Right after Anakin becomes Vader, he reveals to Anakin the two of them together can learn how to overcome death....so he lied. This is why Vader gets pissed and has the famous "noooooo" moment. He's not only sad at Padme's death, but pissed at Palpatine for lying. He threw everything away for nothing.
Bobby Roberts
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He doesn't really do this in the movie. There's a couple reprises of Luke's Theme (main title) and Force Theme. But that's it. Kylo's theme & Rey's theme get a little play, but for the most part, this is more or less a lot of underscore, a little leitmotif, and not much melody.
Even Attack of the Clones features more callbacks and reinterpretations of previous motifs than this film does. Which would be fine if the new motifs were up to snuff. But they're not, and they're not even used all that much.
Obi Wan said Vader killed Luke's father. If you only saw ANH and knew nothing else, you'd be thrown off by that.
It's not a long shot at all. Something awakened in her that was long lost. It goes with the title of the movie and stuff in the movie supports it. It also, once again, explains how she's suddenly so powerful. One possibility is that Luke wiped her memory after the tragedy to keep her away from jedi shit and try to protect her. Such a theory would also be able to explain the loaded, teary eyed, conflicted look Luke gave her at the end of the movie.
DrForester
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I didn't have any problem with Kylo Ren losing. They established that he was injured.
What explanation? I don't think there's anything odd about two guys surviving a TIE Fighter crash with proper ejection system. If anything, the question is why Finn didn't try harder to look around the desert to find another chute like his.
They needed some sort of scene inbetween as it comes off as them just handwaving shit just like with R2D2 randomly waking up. Like how the hell did he contact the Resistance in time? "Don't worry about those details."
Alright, saw it a second time. I have a theory now.
Ben would have been one of the first of the new Jedi. Wookieepedia just says he was born after Endor, so lets assume he was born fairly quickly after. He would have been in the first class of Jedi to be trained by Luke. We know this because Luke was still the only Jedi, so something had to have happened (ie. Kylo Ren).
Rey was born 15 years after Yavin, likely making her, lets say, 6-10 years younger than Ben. If she was going to arrive, or had been scouted by someone to be a Jedi, Ben would have known. And with her natural ability, he would have realized that he wasnt the strongest or the best, and he wouldnt stack up against her, let alone someone like Anakin. So, he went the quick way to the Dark side, killing everyone.
Except one person escapes. Rey. With the help of the old man on Jakku, who is clearly an important figure if he knows what he knew, especially Luke's position. He would be the Obi-wan figure, keeping watch from the distance.
This is the best Ive got so far.
Ben would have been one of the first of the new Jedi. Wookieepedia just says he was born after Endor, so lets assume he was born fairly quickly after. He would have been in the first class of Jedi to be trained by Luke. We know this because Luke was still the only Jedi, so something had to have happened (ie. Kylo Ren).
Rey was born 15 years after Yavin, likely making her, lets say, 6-10 years younger than Ben. If she was going to arrive, or had been scouted by someone to be a Jedi, Ben would have known. And with her natural ability, he would have realized that he wasnt the strongest or the best, and he wouldnt stack up against her, let alone someone like Anakin. So, he went the quick way to the Dark side, killing everyone.
Except one person escapes. Rey. With the help of the old man on Jakku, who is clearly an important figure if he knows what he knew, especially Luke's position. He would be the Obi-wan figure, keeping watch from the distance.
This is the best Ive got so far.
Yeah, was gonna mention Jedi steps as well. Other than those two, I really don't remember the other pieces really well.
NinjaCoachZ
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Did you catch Simon Pegg too? I had to have it pointed out that it was him!
SparkleMotion
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A villain can be flawed and still be a villain. They're going for something different from Vader. Just because he lost a fight doesn't mean he's not a good villain.
Jest Chillin
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Supposedly the Sith can't do the Force Ghost thing. Outside of the stuff in E3, I don't know what remains of the Legend of Plagueis (as some of the EU stuff about him was brought back in the newer, canon book Tarkin) but previously it was said that Palpatine killed him after he felt he had learned enough from Plagueis and he had his own apprentice (Darth Maul). If that aspect remains canon, which again I don't know for sure, then it would just mean that Palpatine didn't care to know how to keep others alive at the time.
bananafactory
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uh, with your logic Darth Vader also lost to "some dam scrubs" (sp?) in Ep 4.
DrForester
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So, in Episode VIII or IX, which character makes the "Where there's Snoke there's fire." one liner?
OricWindstar
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I agree it's probably the weakest soundtrack, but I genuinely find Rey's Theme to be wonderful.
EdReedFan20
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I think he was the guy on Jakku that paid Rey for parts.
He did, but atleast didn't fight Luke and loes to him.
Agreed. Quite frankly I find it a lot more interesting what they'll do with a Vader wannabe that fucks it up a few times, takes a potshot from Chewie and loses to some untrained force newbie.
He could beef up and undergo more training, maybe he's just a shit force sensitive in the first place and gets a Vegeta spot to Ren's Goku.
bonesmccoy
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It's run by LFL. The same guys who were running it when George was still the owner.
You realize that George was going to retire at some point, yes? And that he effectively handpicked his successors?
lastplayed
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Plus he was still emotional from killing his dad. I thought the movie took some pains to portray him as conflicted, whiny, petulant. Like those scenes where he randomly starts hacking stuff with his lightsaber. That one where the stormtroopers walked away even played it for comedy a bit. He's that emo kid who wears a trenchcoat but when he takes it off he's just a scared kid. Just like Anakin! That's what I mean when I say this movie redeemed the prequels a bit. They actually made that character type work and even threw in some callbacks. Didn't he have one of Anakin's lines from the prequels? Something like "I know what I need to do...but I'm afraid to do it."
Anyways, I thought Driver did a great job portraying all of this. We'll see how badass he comes back as in the next movie.
Spiritreaver
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Did the soundtrack end up leaking before its release?
I thought the same.
CrichtonKicks
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I kind of agree except that I think that Attack of the Clones soundtrack is really weak with the GIANT exception of Across the Stars which is amazing. But outside of that theme I don't feel like there was much notable new music in AotC and the existing themes were used really poorly there though I seem to recall that was because Lucas butchered the score in the editing room or something.
With TFA, I love Rey's theme, really like the March of the Resistance, and for the rest I think it's well scored and uses the existing themes better than AOTC but is also a much more conventional and (for lack of a better term) modern score that serves to punctuate the action but doesn't call attention to itself. The above poster who mentioned The Asteroid Chase is a great example of music in the OT that wasn't a character theme yet created specific, iconic music that stood apart and yet accentuated the action perfectly. And TFA doesn't do that.
SparkleMotion
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Vader is established as who he is at the beginning of the original trilogy. Here, however, we're going to be following the character growth of Kylo Ren. Him losing that fight is going to be HUUUUUUUGE for his character development going forward. The guy who likens himself to Vader geting his ass handed to him will pay off down the line in the story.
vader is a bad guy who hunted down the jedi knights, one of which was luke's dad. why would you be thrown off by that?
there is nothing about there that requires some strained fan-fiction that pencils in a whole paragraph of plot.
I just got back. Enjoyable movie.
They played it really safe though, and I could predict most of what was happening based on the trailers.
I really hope Finn ends up being a Jedi too. Why else would he have woken up from his conditioning as a stormtrooper if not for the force?
They played it really safe though, and I could predict most of what was happening based on the trailers.
I really hope Finn ends up being a Jedi too. Why else would he have woken up from his conditioning as a stormtrooper if not for the force?
Monocle
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Yeah, same here. I was all like WHAT. Glad he's still around though. He needs to return badder than ever in the next one.
Maybe he's just a big softie like Chewie. <3
Repressed memories/amnesia/etc are not some unknown thing in movies...
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