[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Bobby Roberts
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I'm betting the idea is that eventually they'll say what's up. Bringing everyone up all at once might be a little overwhelming.
The original trilogy was directed by three different people, and the movies did have different tones, but I don't think that's necessarily bad. ESB is clearly the best, and was the least "big action adventure romp" of the three. It was heavier. I think Rian Johnson may end up being a good choice for a heavier middle act.
Chiggs
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I guess you had to sneak a little insult in there? Thanks, life coach.
friskykillface
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Movie is super fast the second time
Still amazing even if it's following a new hopes formula , I love it
Chewies rampage after RIP solo , the god
THATS NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!
Still amazing even if it's following a new hopes formula , I love it
Chewies rampage after RIP solo , the god
THATS NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!
Monocle
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Not to grasp at straws here, but it's 100% plausible and not that much of a stretch that she saw the mind trick when she reverse mind read Kylo.
Or, to totally grasp at straws: the will of the Living Force guided her actions. Lol. I mean, why not?
The only thing I didn't like about it was that they wasted a few of the characters. I was so bummed that the two actors from The Raid movies were basically running from a giant monster, and that Captain Phasma was mostly used as a gag to reference the trash compactor. Especially when they made such a big deal about her being a villain.
I sincerely hope she'll be around again in the next movie.
I sincerely hope she'll be around again in the next movie.
It was obvious that she opened herself fully to the Force, and was letting it guide her actions in the last half of that fight. Kylo was her training remote.
CrichtonKicks
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I almost wonder if Williams only ever got as far as some kind of unfinished temp tracks and then just couldn't finish. A lot of the incidental action music is like that. Very percussive but also very repetitive and it feels a bit unfinished.
I think Finn is in a pretty exciting place for the next film. I'll be curious to see how much, if any, they fast forward but right now I like the setup with Rey, Chewbacca, and R2 off with Luke and then you've got Finn and Poe presumably gearing up to take the fight to the First Order. He'd be a great infiltrator with his knowledge of their inner workings.
I really liked how Finn was presented in TFA- he's not "special" (ie not a Jedi or a pilot who happens to fly pretty much the fastest ship known to man) but he's still really sharp and brave.
Spiritreaver
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I'm just glad they brought R2 along. That bit that got out about him being powered down made me so damn sad.
Mengy
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Well I saw this tonight, and I have to say that I loved it thoroughly, but not completely. I feel like I need more time to process it, but my first reactions:
The Light:
- I thought Poe, Finn, and Rey were all great, loved all three characters
- BB8 was great too
- great locations and set pieces
- the Falcon got more screen time in here than in any of the original movies, and that was awesome
- the ship battles were fantastic, felt much more OT than PT and that is good
- Chewy was much more of a character here than in any of the OT, Chewy was incredible
- that finale lightsaber battle just might be my favorite out of any Star Wars movie, woah that was brutal
- I liked the story. The script had a few conveniences that felt eh but overall pretty good
- Kylo Ren was a great antagonist. I almost liked him the best out of the entire film
- Luke looked awesome
The Dark:
- I didn't like Han dying. I understand it, and I thought it was handled extremely well, but I didn't like it
- another huge evil killing death star machine? And again beaten by small fighters? That kind of feels tired by now
- the music was only okay I'd say, the best tracks were all callbacks to the OT music IMHO, might be one of William's weakest scores?
- Luke looked awesome but only for a few seconds before CREDITS ROLL
I'm seeing it again next Tuesday. Maybe sooner if I can finagle it.
The Light:
- I thought Poe, Finn, and Rey were all great, loved all three characters
- BB8 was great too
- great locations and set pieces
- the Falcon got more screen time in here than in any of the original movies, and that was awesome
- the ship battles were fantastic, felt much more OT than PT and that is good
- Chewy was much more of a character here than in any of the OT, Chewy was incredible
- that finale lightsaber battle just might be my favorite out of any Star Wars movie, woah that was brutal
- I liked the story. The script had a few conveniences that felt eh but overall pretty good
- Kylo Ren was a great antagonist. I almost liked him the best out of the entire film
- Luke looked awesome
The Dark:
- I didn't like Han dying. I understand it, and I thought it was handled extremely well, but I didn't like it
- another huge evil killing death star machine? And again beaten by small fighters? That kind of feels tired by now
- the music was only okay I'd say, the best tracks were all callbacks to the OT music IMHO, might be one of William's weakest scores?
- Luke looked awesome but only for a few seconds before CREDITS ROLL
I'm seeing it again next Tuesday. Maybe sooner if I can finagle it.
I mean, has there been a really really really bad JJ movie?
This is what I'm hoping too! I think that in the time that has gone by, Ben/Kylo killed those Jedi and Mara. Luke has Rey taken away and hidden while hiding himself. Rey has been having visions where Luke has been hiding and the look on his face either suggests...
1) That he's surprised to see his daughter!
or
2) That he's wondering just who the fuck that girl is, why she has Anakin's lightsaber, and if she has his old hand too.
Speaking of, how cool is it that Rey is the new pilot of the Falcon?
This movie got me like.
Risible
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Had a great crowd. They cheered for every character reveal, they cheered at the best moments, and were overall fun and excited in a good way.
I loved all of the reveals. I was so glad I hadn't seen any spoilers. The best reveal for me was the Falcon, I didn't see it coming even though I should have with the "that one's garbage!" line.
Poe is my boy, he's the new Han. So much fun.
I took 8 16 year olds with me and they fucking looooooooved it. It truly is "their" Star Wars.
I loved all of the reveals. I was so glad I hadn't seen any spoilers. The best reveal for me was the Falcon, I didn't see it coming even though I should have with the "that one's garbage!" line.
Poe is my boy, he's the new Han. So much fun.
I took 8 16 year olds with me and they fucking looooooooved it. It truly is "their" Star Wars.
SparkleMotion
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I like the parallel that Luke wouldn't kill his father and turn to the Dark Side, but Ren killed his father purposefully trying to force himself to the Dark Side.
Acerac
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Aye, she is much better at this than Luke or Anakin was.
PHOENIXZERO
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That's pretty much what I was going for in my last post... And I really, really don't like the idea of Luke being alone all this time and R2 isn't a pleasure model.
Dusktildawn48
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Damn. I like that idea
da fuq?
Monocle
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She would have no way of knowing jedi mind tricks is, very few people know anything about it.
Except she doesn't use any other potentially related ability that Kylo uses like the beam blast hold so that feels flimsy. In fact there isn't even the insinuation that she picked anything up from Kylo other than his own personal fears.
Phasma was written in after production began, they really didn't have anything for her to do but look cool. Her armor was what Kylo Ren was originally going to wear, and they wanted it in the movie somewhere.
I mentioned it twice. No need for that.
And being born during those 20 years would make her around 40 in VII, only way is if she's a grandaughter but that would make it way more complicated, Why leave her on Jakku instead of Tattooine with her family? There wasn't any mention of them on
Ben's diary
It just feels off, he maintained his Jedi vows even though he
had feelings for satine
Being Luke's daughter makes more sense. Not that I want it TBH, but it's the safest bet.
Lionel Richie
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I would like that.
I wouldn't like that. There was so much wrong with JW that it's really hard not to blame the director. Even Chris Pratt was boring in that movie of all things. Maybe he can turn things around but it seems like a weird choice for such a big movie.
kaiju
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I like this. I REALLY like this.
I did find it interesting when Maz told Rey that her family was gone, but there is still Luke. IDK, I have a hard time piecing her in the puzzle as Luke's daughter now, even though she feels like a Skywalker.
"Very different"? C'mon man. You're gonna nitpick that the way that he tried to use certain types of mental force powers that it's completely narrative breaking that she uses some other kind of mental force powers against a stormtrooper after? And clearly that she struggles with getting it to work right away?
Rey seemed like she was used to having to fend for herself in scraps here and there. She was also obviously proficient in armed melee combat given the staff she carried from even before the movie.
Kylo isn't a Sith, hasn't "finished training", is obviously going through some pretty severe emotional stuff at the time of their fight, just fought Finn, is shot, can't decide if he wants to kill her, capture her, or train her while Rey is fighting for her life, and, by his own admission, doesn't have as strong a command over the force as her. Rey still feels like the underdog in that fight, but her winning isn't that ridiculous.
If anything, his ability to stop a blaster shot and manipulate people with an ease unseen at this point with the force is out of character, not his defeat at the hands of Rey.
Kylo isn't a Sith, hasn't "finished training", is obviously going through some pretty severe emotional stuff at the time of their fight, just fought Finn, is shot, can't decide if he wants to kill her, capture her, or train her while Rey is fighting for her life, and, by his own admission, doesn't have as strong a command over the force as her. Rey still feels like the underdog in that fight, but her winning isn't that ridiculous.
If anything, his ability to stop a blaster shot and manipulate people with an ease unseen at this point with the force is out of character, not his defeat at the hands of Rey.
SparkleMotion
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I've seen the way he gets to second base with all those control ports in the OT.
Incendiary
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One thing I was wondering...why did Artoo magically activate for no reason when it was convenient for Rey to go find Luke?
I'm really hoping it has something to do with Rey being previously trained/known by Luke and R2 had some sort of sensor or...please give some sort of handwave in the next movie because that was just lazy otherwise.
I'm really hoping it has something to do with Rey being previously trained/known by Luke and R2 had some sort of sensor or...please give some sort of handwave in the next movie because that was just lazy otherwise.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Except its more like ANH, then Jedi, then ESB. You can tell by the environments too, desert, then forest, then ice.
Baffled at the complaints about Kylo Ren. He's basically the closest thing to a developed character in the movie. Finn and Rey are great, especially together, but Finn practically makes no sense. Poe is fun as a kind of new Han, but he's practically nothing but "we need someone the audience knows in an X-wing for 20 minutes"
CaviarMeths
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If you want to stretch it to the breaking point, you could say that the new super weapon unceremoniously destroying the Republic in like 10 seconds of screen time was JJ's way of symbolically obliterating the prequels.
I knew when Han walked out on that platform that he wasn't coming back.
And Leia pressed Han to reconcile with Ben. SHE KILLED HIM!Sectorseven
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Young Billy D actually does look like Finn.
Bobby Roberts
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Apologies. Was just flicking you a little shit.
I knew when Han walked out on that platform that he wasn't coming back.
That evil bitch!
Acerac
Banned
Oh yes, she struggled so much she had to ask her captor to let her go 3 times before he acquiesced.
These Jedi mind tricks are hard, they take seconds of practice to get right if you aren't trained.
I swear before Kylo took off his mask and spoke, I thought that his voice was being done by the villian from No Country For Old Men.
MagicWithEarvin
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Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't ask James Gunn (Guardians of the Galaxy) to direct Episode IX. They picked up Colin because he was attached to a billion dollar movie, didn't they?
Monocle
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I'm just going to say what we're all thinking: R2 is a slut.
Eh. I'm going to need another viewing. Just a first impression: Not a fan of the cinematography or the overall plot. I was worried about the cinematography from the first announcement of the Millennium Falcon flying and the camera turns upside down. Then the first shot is a shaky cam, flickering light, dimly lit scene. Just felt out of place in a Star Wars film. Ending with a pan shot... eh. And of course the film uses the same plot device as 4 and 6. Is it impossible to come up with something that doesn't blow up planets?
Being related to Kenobi would work if she was like the child of a kid born during Obi Wan and Satines fling days. She kept it secret to protect him in the order etc.
Would really diminish his character to have relations after he went off to tatooine.
Going to Tatooine was basically exile and the need to keep Luke safe for the future as well as commune with the force and qui-gon etc. to learn the true nature of things. Him finding time to have a family etc. would be completely out of place
Would really diminish his character to have relations after he went off to tatooine.
Going to Tatooine was basically exile and the need to keep Luke safe for the future as well as commune with the force and qui-gon etc. to learn the true nature of things. Him finding time to have a family etc. would be completely out of place
Maintenance
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I wish someone took a picture of that moment where they showed young Finn in the computer, when they were talking about putting him in rehab. Maybe there was some kind of clue there (I don't even know if that was him tbh).
I agree with this take on him. However Kylo seems to have this affinity for locking things in place with the force. We see him do this later against Rey when they first meet in the forest. Locking her arm back.
It's seen before that most force users have a particular affinity in how they can use the force. This may be his. So I don't think they necessarily oversold him
Sectorseven
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Well, Frank Marshall produced Jurassic World and he's married to Kathy Kennedy.
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