"Those are no moons."
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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"Those are no moons."
He seemed a little unhinged when he called Finn a traitor. Seemed a little pissed off and was about to pop a blood vessel.
Why suspend blaster shots in the air when you can simply deflect them with your lightsaber? Jedi are all about efficiency.
LookAtMeGo
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1. Nunchaku
2. Staff
3. Mace
4. Brass knuckles
5. Fork
6. Sword
2. Staff
3. Mace
4. Brass knuckles
5. Fork
6. Sword
Brawndo Addict
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Frog-Fu it's like Naruto vs. Sasuke in the Valley of the End. The fight isn't just about their combat proficiency or skill with techniques. Ren isn't just trying to get Rey to join him, he's trying to convince himself he's done the right thing by killing Han; if he's not the right teacher/guide for Rey, then it means Snoke isn't the teacher he should have been following either.
The film even goes out of its way to try to satisfy pedantic fans by pointing out his bleeding torso, repeated self-hitting of his wound, and general mental strife.
The film even goes out of its way to try to satisfy pedantic fans by pointing out his bleeding torso, repeated self-hitting of his wound, and general mental strife.
Except he's constantly bleeding, he looks unbalanced from the start of the fight, and he's constantly slamming his wound.
No. No the logic is worse. Probably around the same level as Ep1. She won because she's ridiculously strong in the force. It's a lazy as fuck reason, but it is what it is.
Lol, well they certainly aren't anything now.
Bobby Roberts
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He slips multiple times while fighting Rey, and he's sweaty as shit. He gets his arm cut up by Finn, too. He's obviously having a hard time holding it together.
More_Badass
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So is anyone worried, now that JJ had such a good handle on the characters and such, that Rian Johnson and Trevorrow could fuck that up? All the characters are in such interesting places and were established so well.
It's not about logic, some people just feels that things came to Rey a bit too easy and it would be better for 'a hero's journey' if she wasn't a force genius who so quickly got on top of things. It would be more interesting to me if Finn turns out to be 'hero' or this trilogy being a not a force user, but someone who just out to 'do the right thing.'
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Why?
Not that I don't also feel that could be true, but I keep seeing people say this and I don't understand why it's a "need" for some people. Maz already told her about the force, and Kylo showed it to her - I don't see why the rest can't be instinct.
Hell Kylo ENTERED HER MIND with the force, there's no reason to believe she couldn't have also read his mind or felt his emotions at that time in how he was doing that
They made a point to show him repeatedly hitting his fist against the spot he was hit in. Like there's multiple shots showing that. It's a little weird of a gesture, but it seemed like he was trying to fidget with his armor in pain.
In one of the shots he looked completely fucked up. He was drenched in sweat and it looked like he was having a panic attack, dude was losing it. It was clear that he wasn't fighting at his full potential and he was also trying to recruit Rey during the fight.
Lol. Dont watch movies if this bothers you.
Its not super obvious in the movie, but the general tone is everyone else knows more about her than she does.
Anyways here is a quote from the book
Not particularly. I subscribe to the belief that the Lucasfilm Story Group is a good idea that will help ensure consistency. Abrams and Kennedy (and the rest) will look over these upcoming scripts and point out flaws, I think.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I was almost positive that was part of a response issed to the reaction that the design was terrible after the first trailers.
It is not explained in the movie, no, beyond the fact that it seems like it just sorta goes out like a snuffed candle when Rey forced it into the ground.
I thought he was going ape shit and pounding his wound like a mad man. Saying "this shit doesn't hurt!"
Acerac
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Luke showing up on Dagobah to leaving was 3 days?
Never realized that it was such a short timeframe. Fair enough.
More_Badass
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I think it was more of using the pain to pump himself up, keep him focused and in the moment. Like a dark side mediation. Focus on the pain
He's probably trying to channel is pain into anger, which is the Sith equivalent of getting a Mario Kart Super Star. Doesn't look like he succeeded either, which is good. Kylo Ren is a flawed Sith, and despite having killed his father, still has remnants of light inside him.
Yeah the choreography / editing of that fight was just disappointing. We can have this whole conversation about how he was hurt (and he was beating his chest over that) and about his Inner Doubts or whatever but none of that really made it to the screen for me. Especially with earlier on there's two different times where he's thwarted and he goes Berserker on a wall. He should have had some inferno rage hulk out during the fight because that's his Thing. Then he gets beat because he hesitates -- because he's not evil in his heart -- or in his rage he tears his wound and goes down gasping or something.
The whole thing just didn't really have the oomph it wanted. That fight peaked big on the Force Pull for Luke's saber.
Scientist Supreme!
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Ok.
Him slamming the wound I thought showed me that wasn't even feeling it. That he was pushing past it.
The slips and being off balanced I must've missed.
ColdDeckEd
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One of the first shots of the fight is him pounding the shot wound and then seeing a pool of blood at his side. Without a copy of the film we cant give you time stamps but he stumbles and favors his wound quite afew times.
It's almost like she has some kind of MAGICAL POWER that might aid her in using an unusual weapon.
The things about the lightsaber fights I didn't like:
Finn vs. random storm trooper made no sense. Where in a storm trooper training do you get experience with a sword? Why would a storm trooper have melee weapon designed to block light sabers, when there's only one jedi left, and he's in hiding? And yeah, if they were going to do that, it should have been vs. Phasma, and had a random trooper take down the shields at the end.
I really didn't like having the ground part and separate Rey from Kylo a the end. It deprived her of the decision whether to finish him off, which was a beat her arc needed; to identify her as someone who could detatch from her rage and show mercy. It felt too pat and truncated the conclusion of the fight artificially.
Finn vs. random storm trooper made no sense. Where in a storm trooper training do you get experience with a sword? Why would a storm trooper have melee weapon designed to block light sabers, when there's only one jedi left, and he's in hiding? And yeah, if they were going to do that, it should have been vs. Phasma, and had a random trooper take down the shields at the end.
I really didn't like having the ground part and separate Rey from Kylo a the end. It deprived her of the decision whether to finish him off, which was a beat her arc needed; to identify her as someone who could detatch from her rage and show mercy. It felt too pat and truncated the conclusion of the fight artificially.
Jest Chillin
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We don't know if Rey has been trained in using The Force but that doesn't matter because several movies have illustrated that you don't need to be trained in The Force to be proficient at using it. Luke does this in ANH (The Force guides his shot with zero training on how to do this other than "Use The Force Luke" ), Anakin does this in TPM (his ability to fix/repair machines and be an incredible pilot that wins a pod race and single handedly infiltrates the enemy base and destroys it's shields on accident), Leia does this multiple times in the OT when she's able to feel Luke's presence without even knowing that she has Force powers at all.
Established traits and rules in a fictional universe trump any "logic" from outside that universe. Things work the way they're explained to work not the way the viewer or reader thinks they should work. Rey's actions are perfectly in-line with stuff that's previously been done in Star Wars and wasn't previously questioned.
I think he was trying to amp himself up in anyway possible because he was tiring. He was emotionally berzerked, but his body was not.
No, the Disneyland prop says it's an ancient design, not that he build a piece of junk. The idea that it's terrible is the same falsity as Ren not being force sensitive.
Thoughts:
- Driver was astounding as Kylo Ren. Ridley and Boyega were good too. I really liked how they really were co-leads till the end.
- I wasn't spoiled on ANYTHING. YESSSS.
- Kylo Ren being Han and Leia's kid blew my mind
- The scene with Han and Kylo Ren was tense as fuck. Really well done by both actors, J.J., and everyone else.
- The only moment of the movie when I personally applauded besides the opening and the beginning was when Rey grabbed the lightsaber. So. Fucking. Dope.
- LOL at Captain Phasma being lame in the end. Kinda wanna get rid of my shirt
- That said, not gonna give up my BB8 shirt because he was awesome. His thumbsup got the biggest laugh in my crowd... well, second biggest to...
- C3PO INTERRUPTING LEIA'S AND HAN'S REUNIONS OH MY GOD THAT WAS AMAZING
- The major issue I have with it is that it's just too A New Hope-y at times. Like the Trench shots were hilariously overdone along with the injokes on the Falcon at the beginning.
- I also think the hilt ended up just looking cool without being useful.
- I would've also ended the movie with just Rey and Chewie heading off to meet Luke, but I guess they just really wanted Hamill in the movie.
I liked it a lot, but I don't feel comfortable actually reviewing it until I see it again.
- Driver was astounding as Kylo Ren. Ridley and Boyega were good too. I really liked how they really were co-leads till the end.
- I wasn't spoiled on ANYTHING. YESSSS.
- Kylo Ren being Han and Leia's kid blew my mind
- The scene with Han and Kylo Ren was tense as fuck. Really well done by both actors, J.J., and everyone else.
- The only moment of the movie when I personally applauded besides the opening and the beginning was when Rey grabbed the lightsaber. So. Fucking. Dope.
- LOL at Captain Phasma being lame in the end. Kinda wanna get rid of my shirt
- That said, not gonna give up my BB8 shirt because he was awesome. His thumbsup got the biggest laugh in my crowd... well, second biggest to...
- C3PO INTERRUPTING LEIA'S AND HAN'S REUNIONS OH MY GOD THAT WAS AMAZING
- The major issue I have with it is that it's just too A New Hope-y at times. Like the Trench shots were hilariously overdone along with the injokes on the Falcon at the beginning.
- I also think the hilt ended up just looking cool without being useful.
- I would've also ended the movie with just Rey and Chewie heading off to meet Luke, but I guess they just really wanted Hamill in the movie.
I liked it a lot, but I don't feel comfortable actually reviewing it until I see it again.
BarringGaffner
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Kylo Ren was powerful when he was consuming the fear around him. Rey at end = no fear = kicked his ass
and why isn't it believable she read his mind? He was arrogant and opened his mind to read hers, and it backfired.
and why isn't it believable she read his mind? He was arrogant and opened his mind to read hers, and it backfired.
rubik's dude
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The fight between Finn and Ren didn't make much sense. If Finn isn't force sensitive, then why didn't Ren use the force to take Luke's saber, and then force choke Finn? Instead of just straight fighting him.
On top of that, why not just do the same thing to Rey? It worked earlier in the movie, so why not do it again?
On top of that, why not just do the same thing to Rey? It worked earlier in the movie, so why not do it again?
Probably because it's quicker. He didn't anticipate that shot coming at him.
whatevermort
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Nope. Johnson's a terrific writer, and one who - based on brothers bloom - is amazing at subtle characterisation. Apparently he's writing Trevorrow's movie as well, which is a relief - JW is one of the worst blockbusters with regards to character writing I have ever seen.
Acerac
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He just killed his dad, ok?
Give the guy a break his head wasn't really there at the time.
This is some serious lapse in reason. Even if it's not a piece of junk, it's shitty explicitly because it's an archaic design. Just like any design. We already see technological progress between each trilogy. Of course an ancient design should be flawed compared to more modern incarnations.
Regarding Rey being a Kenobi and the imagery involved this is what I noticed so far on my viewings:
- Brit accent
- First words spoken is some alien language that scares away someone and saves a droid
- Gives Luke his father's lightsaber
- When climbing down the troopers there are talking about a BT-17, when Obi-Wan goes to pull down the switch on the Death Star the troopers there are takling about a BT-16
- Mind trick
- Sir Alec Guinness can clearly be heard saying 'Rey'. Followed by a whispering voice saying 'these are your first steps' closely mirroring Sir Alec's line 'this is your first step into a larger world'
- Gets BB-8 to 'play' the message. Han says to BB-8 'show me what you have' BB-8 turns to Rey who says 'go ahead' and BB-8 proceeds to play the message. Once again mirroring Obi-Wan who gets the full message played from R2
Fine Ham Abounds
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He doubles over when first shot. He's stumbling constantly. He's bleeding all over the snow. He takes a saber to the shoulder from Finn and reacts to that. His motions become increasingly labored as the fight wears on. I just didn't notice any lack of clarity to these things, personally.
ShockingAlberto
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I mean, it seems pretty obvious to me that part of the reason Rae beat Kylo Ren was that he was injured, fatigued, injured a few times during his fight with Fin, and generally pretty crazed after succumbing completely to the dark side. Dude wasn't an old hand at this, he just went full crazy, and probably not at 100%.
It's worth noting these aren't regular Stormtroopers in the sense of how incompetent they are but all seem sort of super elite.
More_Badass
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Oh, awesome. Sounds like he's the perfect guy to take the story reins from here
The Technomancer
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Maybe, but like, so this planet laser can fire across the galaxy. Apparently anywhere, or at least anywhere that matters? They explain away that it happens so quickly by calling it hyperlight or something (same handwaveyness used in ST09 about the supernova) but why can Finn and Rey see it from some other random ass planet in real time?
Okay I know this sounds like a weird thing to be hung up on, but it happened in both of the new Star Trek movies as well, and its symptomatic of a larger issue of making space feel small that also plagued those movies (especially Into Darkness). In the original Star Wars movies (or even the prequels) when we cut back to a shot of our heroes in spaceships it always felt like yeah, they've probably been in hyperspace for at least eight hours or a couple days. Here, like his other movies, everything feels a 5 minute warp away
I have other thoughts on the movie, mostly positive, some negative, but coming right out of the theater this is what stuck with me the most. Agh
Bobby Roberts
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I am so happy someone else in these threads has seen that movie.
Everyone wants to go straight to Looper or Breaking Bad. But it's Brothers Bloom that seems to be the most pertinent, to me, when it comes to Episode 8 possibilities.
Kind of, yes. I wasn't thrilled when JJ got the job but after watching this movie I'm sort of hoping they ask him to return to do the next two. I don't want to break the continuity. I'd rather have one team do all three.
probabaly because he first stopped it when gettin shot unaware from the back/side. And also held it there for a very long time. While multitasking other duties. Vader knew and saw Han firing the blaster directly in front of him.
Great evidence. You've convinced me.
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